What does /his/ think about the Cold War?
>>41102
DeGaulle politician best politician.
>>41146
i heard that many americans hate him
>>41175
I hate him and I'm not american
>>41202
why?
The best era to live in.
>>41102
it isnt over
>>41175
Weove him. Its Canadians who hate him over his comments on Quebec
>>41175
It makes sense. He was an old-school nationalist who envisioned a strong independent Europe as a neutral faction between the Soviets and the Americans. To that end, he was pro-Soviet in certain affairs, and would do what he could to limit US influence in the newly-born EU.
It's still going on today.
>>41416
Long Live Free Quebec!
>>41435
but americans still having dominance via products and shit
Upon careful examination, every single american foreign policy action was justified and legitimate.
In fact, I think America showed too much restraint.
>>41491
That's arguable. China is a major threat to that, and in the modern age, China is the new U.S.S.R. to Americans.
>>41502
Huh?
>>41502
>bombing the shit out of Cambodia was justified
>>41637
>China is the new U.S.S.R. to Americans.
Fuck you, Soviet rival is best rival. We've been a shitshow ever since they fell. ;__;7
>>41102
A war within' the shadows, The Space Race, and proxy wars are really interesting.
>>41657
The Soviets should have been glassed.
The Soviets almost glassed the US because the incompetent fucks couldn't understand the messages coming out of a free and open society, so they tried to kill it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/in-1983-war-scare-soviet-leadership-feared-nuclear-surprise-attack-by-us/2015/10/24/15a289b4-7904-11e5-a958-d889faf561dc_story.html
>>41743
>MUH FREDUMZ
>>41175
>Was in line with the Nazi/Vichy government
>Pulled out of NATO for no reason other than fuck the west
>Pulled out of Vietnam right after begging for the US to go in and help them
Fuck that frog
>>41841
You were both a plague
>>41102
We replaced the soviets with china, albeit in a much more passive agressive way. For all of Russias saber rattling, they're a nuclear armed chinese proxy. In a few decades they'll lose their military headstart on the chinese, and become more irrelevant.
>>41864
>asking for help in vietnam
and you failed
>>41921
Butthurt Serb detected
>>41955
Exactly. Fuck that frog.
>>41921
I'm not even american.
>>41841
Son, communism was the best thing to happen to Afghanistan in its entire history. Went from being a third world shithole to a second world shithole in a less than a decade.
>>41718
Yeah, because it's not like America was already in its FIFTH FUCKING YEAR IN A FOREIGN WAR NOBODY WANTED TO FIGHT or anything. Everyone would have loved the idea of two simultaneous foreign ground wars in the early 1970's. There was NOTHING culturally significant going on in the U.S. at that time argue against that discision.
>>41968
>i'm a latinoamerican BTW
>>41732
Yeah, I kinda miss the old days. I grew up reading Tom Clancy novels I bought from goodwill, with barely any understanding of history. I don't know how I fucking did it. It was a shock to realize it was 2007 and the Soviet Union had already fallen in 1991.
It hurts
>>41997
i was refering to capitalism and communism
Soviet economic planning was shit and they managed to destroy their own economy without an actual war against the USA. Free Market wins again.
America won politically and economically, but the Soviet Union won the cultural and social war, and that's what really matters in the long term.
>>42000
Lol what? Communist Afghanistan was a shithole
>>42010
>Yeah, because it's not like America was already in its FIFTH FUCKING YEAR IN A FOREIGN WAR NOBODY WANTED TO FIGHT or anything.
Yes, it's a pity that soviet subversion was so successful at fostering the anti-war movement in America. If America had triumphed in SEA, then millions of innocent lives would've been spared.
Also please don't use caps, makes you look like a loudmouth retard.
>>42097
>>42000
Have you actually read about afghan history? The place was actually decent under its monarchy, and on its way to parliamentary democracy when a coup set up a military dictatorship. The Soviet invasion was to topple that dude.Despite the soviets strides in modernizing the country, it was like setting a bomb in a house you were building. The tribalism, mudjihadeen ,and taliban were born out of the Soviet invasion.
>>41102
>What does /his/ think about the Cold War?
You're in one.
>>41738
The African proxy wars are the most interesting imo
>>42097
Lol, I just ate a burger at burger King in bulgaria, while watching a group of Bulgarians try to free style
We won the culture war commie
>>42108
There is a reason why FIFA begins World Cup games with a banner that says "Say no to racism", instead of "Say no to communism".
It's because the communists won.
>>42000
Literally the exact opposite is true.
>>42148
>saber rattling by a decaying , albeit nuclear armed, chinese proxy constitutes as a cold war
What happened to russia?
>>42148
At least our Cold War has hugging puppies...
post cold war propaganda
>>42105
I'm just explaining why it won't have happened. The hippies basically ruined the U.S.'s chances of doing anything meaningful in South East Asia.
>>42192
It's because its a meaningless buzzword that makes everyone feel good as some neo Nazi throws banana peels at African players. Same reason NFL makes a big deal about breast cancer while their players beat up women
>>41102
Communism should have won.
>>42336
Is that a giant louse?
>>42258
>>42296
Yes, hippies ruin everything.
They even supported pol pot.
>>42383
lol, if you were having a red star, you'd be considered a commie in that era.....that was paranoia but a cool one
>>42359
It's a water bear or a dust mite, either way it's a true communist.
The Cold War as an event ended 24 years ago, you're not allowed to discuss it here :^)
>>42299
Anti-racism is a "meaningless buzzword" that has been used for the last 40 years to marginalize and crush anti-communist groups across the Western world.
>>42443
You're correct, I'm indeed butthurt. Doesn't detract from the validity of what I said.
>>42478
nah shut up, you lost due to your incompetence
how many people died in communist countries?
>>42527
Between 20 and 40 million, probably.
Less than anti-communists say, but more than what communists claim.
>>42579
More people than that died in China's great famine alone.
>>42527
many people died, but also they were victims of capitalism ideas
>>41955
he failed too
The fall of the USSR was a tragedy
>>42783
now we have this
>>42443
Yes, we would have won Vietnam if we didn't pussy out of it.
>>42443
>HURRR FORGETING FRANCE LOST VIETNAM AND ALL THE USA DID WAS PULL OUT
>ACHIEVED THE GOAL OF A SPREATE VIETNAM THAT WAS INCHARGE OF ITS OWN SECURITY
>THEN GOT INVADE OHH HURR
>>42815
Thank God for nuclear weapons, they prevented WW3
Wrong side won. USSR was too authoritarian for my liking, but they were the lesser evil.
Democratic socialism is the answer.
>>43348
Not entirely. There's defensive measures against nukes. WW3 didnt't start so far because of people really not wanting it.
But the world is getting ripe with every moment.
>>43382
To what question? "What is the worst political system?"
>>43382
>but they were the lesser evil.
How can you even say that?
>>43441
not him, but you were both the same assholes LOL
>>43441
Probably thinks only the US were starting revolutions ala Chomskyite libfags
>>43382
>hurr durr we must reform the system from within
>>43470
And we won sweetie. Stronger Better Braver and more Freedom
>>43441
Domestically, they abolished capitalism and swept away the aristocracy, and created a society where every worker got a share, and everyone had the opportunity to work - although the state apparatus consumed far too large of said share. Overseas, there were areas where they supported authoritarians, but they also supported genuinely democratic populist movements against right-wing dictators - and virtually all US clients outside Europe (and even a couple US clients within Europe, like the colonels' Greece and Franco's Spain) were right-wing dictators.
>>43568
>Domestically, they abolished capitalism and swept away the aristocracy, and created a society where every worker got a share, and everyone had the opportunity to work
Oh yes, I'm sure the soviet people were very grateful of their murder and enslavement.
> Overseas, there were areas where they supported authoritarians, but they also supported genuinely democratic populist movements against right-wing dictators
Right, thanks to the USSR the cambodian people were liberated by Pol Pot, the cuban people liberated by Castro, and the chinese people liberated by Mao!
Likewise, I'm sure eastern europeans were absolutely thrilled about living under stalinian dictatorships!
>>43568
>SOVIETS WERE ALL BAD, WE EXPORTED FREEDUMS
>>41102
>What does /his/ think about the Cold War?
I think the West's post-Korean War philosophy "containing" of Communism was a horrible mistake bordering on willful genocide.
Whatever else you say about Ronald Reagan, his belief (as well as other's, like Pope John Paul II and Margaret Thatcher) in actively _confronting_ Communism and pushing it back saved untold lives.
>>44331
ohh reagan...
>>43722
America opened relations with Mao's regime after it broke from Russia (and stopped the USSR from nuking them, though for all the people Mao killed that was probably better in the long run). It also backed Pol Pot's remnant guerrillas against the Vietnamese-sponsored communist government.
>>44399
The Drug War is another issue.
>>44720
ohh the actor who backed criminals because he thought the world was an action movie
>>44785
>the actor who backed criminals
>>45061
>Wałęsa is a devout Roman Catholic.[12] He is a staunch opponent of abortion, and has said that he would rather have resigned the presidency twenty times than sign into law a bill permitting abortion in Poland.[65] In an interview for Polish television in 2012, Wałęsa said that, as a Catholic, he opposes in vitro fertilization and same-sex marriage.
based pole
>>45061
Jeanne Kirkpatrick pls go
>>45213
>Jeanne Kirkpatrick
who is her?, i just found that she was an UN ambassador or something
>>45455
Sorry, its Jeane
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirkpatrick_Doctrine
>>42336
This is the only acceptable answer.
>>42336
It looks like it has won after the USSR fell. Look at the sorry state of the US Government now and we have politicians that do not push away the socialist label that may be elected next year.
Meanwhile, in Russia it looks like capitalism has won. Free market has been extremely successful at rebuilding Russia's lost wealth and the Russian people like having money in their pockets.
We are at the same place we were in a few decades ago, both sides switched ideologies and one had to rebuild itself in that time. Now, Russia is growing stronger but America is decaying. Quite interesting how socialism rots away countries.
>>46520
>Democratic Party
>Socialism
pick one, lad
The Cold War between America and Russia is still occuring. What happened in 1989-1991 was Russia's influence diminished and they changed their economic system.
Look at what happened in Georgia and what's currently happening in Ukraine and Syria. We're still fighting proxy wars with Russia.
>>46707
Differences between the Democratic policy and socialism are virtually nonexistent nowadays. Democrats are socialist and now not even bothering to hide that label. When people called Obongo socialist 7 years ago, democrats got butthurt.
>>46870
But the Cold War was more than a bipolar power struggle. What made the Cold War different from previous and subsequent periods was that ideology tainted the power struggle.
Ideology is irrelevant nowadays for the power struggle. There are no Putinist -or Maoist- parties waiting to seize power and change their countries' alignment.
>>47025
I could go into how many ways you are wrong, but why bother? You have no idea what socialism is, no idea what Obama has done, and whilst Bernie does describe himself as a socialist, he's hardly some kind of Castro-esque radical. Fair wages and worker protections are not socialism.
>>41102
AMERICA #
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>>44331
I don't know man. Call me naive, but I think we should have let purely social forces kill the soviets.
>>41175
He was a cheese eating faggot who didn't do shit other than suck dick
>>47455
One of my favorite stories of the Cold War is in the wake of when Mengistu's DERG took over Ethiopia, the USSR was eager to start providing them with aid. But when the DERG announced that it would continue the conflict with Somalia that the Selassie administration had begun, the Somalians, who had up till then been Soviet aligned, were left to beg for assistance from the U.S., which they received. So two states did a complete switch-a-roo in their foreign policy in the course of just a few days.
It highlights how for a lot of conflicts in the Cold War, "Democracy" and "Communism" were just umbrellas states hid under for protection and legitimacy.
>>41102
One of the worst mistakes in history, detente could've achieved a real utopia.
>>41102
Notice that the Soviet equivalent of the statue of liberty is the Kremlin, but America has a white house
I haven't done much reading on it outside of school... about to read this.
What am I in for?
>>41102
Big part of my life, my father hunted Russian subs out of Iceland during the cold war and was gone a lot of the time on 6 month assignments. It was a really interesting time in history especially since there was no major conflict between the two powers and how often we narrowly avoided killing each other (not to mention several accidents involving nuclear weapons).
Also Dr Strangelove is one of the best movies on this time in history.
>>47549
I was born to see the end of the USSR and before I moved to the States I worked in Sweden. I know what real socialism is and what it will bring. You are too easily swayed by the appeal to emotion that the Democratic party has been using.
>>47025
>Differences between the Democratic policy and socialism are virtually nonexistent nowadays.
>>41146
Ungrateful cunt.
>>47823
Or just let them starve themselves.
>>41102
The defeat of communism was inevitable. A system that does not promote growth won't grow. If it doesn't grow, you can't compete against those who do.
If it were to me, though, I'd have played operation unthinkable. The United States had nuclear bombs by 1945 and not using that advtange while the Reds didn't have it was a mistake. As soon as WW2 ended, the US should have started dropping nukes on the Reds and make them surrender just like the Japs.
>>50696
Pattonfag plz
>>42571
>What?
>Incompetence?
Partly. The Vietnam War was prosecuted badly on a military level in several ways. For starters, the one-year tour of duty meant that officers were constantly being rotated out and replaced with new ones, which meant that there was no institutional knowledge of guerrilla warfare at the platoon and company levels; veteran officers kept being replaced with green ones wit no opportunity to pass on their knowledge, so each 'generation' of officers had to learn the tricks of fighting the VC anew. The use of kill-counts to determine combat effectiveness was also based on a misconception, that the Vietnamese would be disheartened by casualties the same way the Americans were, and also contributed to a lax attitude towards atrocities against civilians. "If it's dead, it's VC," and all that. And of course, each atrocity was basically free VC propaganda, and in a guerrilla war, having the support of the populace is half the battle.
Tl;dr, American forces failed at building a body of institutional counter-guerrilla knowledge for junior officers, understanding the psychology of the enemy, and winning the support of the civilian population.
>>51477
#REKT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0ktgWlN7SE
http://www.firstmenonthemoon.com/
>>52743
>>52853
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVRcz1spgMw
literally WW3
>>54202
the nukes never were used on the enemy-s country
>>43722
>Right, thanks to the USSR the cambodian people were liberated by Pol Pot
Lel. It was actually the USA who supported Pol Pot for years, you goof.
>>50696
You do realize, even though the Soviets lacked nukes in 1945, they had a plethora of chemical and biological weapons? They weaponized typhus, tularemia, and smallpox. They even captured some Unit 731 scientists.
Patton was a moron. It would've been suicide to fight the Russians in 1945. Europe would've been a cakewalk for them, and though we could bring them down a notch with nukes, they'd have irreversibly damaged us and the rest of the world with the biological and chemical agents they had at the time.
>>54972
it reminds me martin luther king
bread lines in the USSR
>>56320
gas lines in the USA
>>41403
I don't even know who this guy is but whoever shittalks quebec is a good man in my book
>>57595
are you an anglo canadian?
if so, why do you hate quebec so much
>>57670
you both suffered bad times
>>57643
no, just regular canadian
nobody really likes the quebec people, most talk big on seperating but then complain about not having the resources to do it on their own, the people that live there are a mixed bag of stereotypical canadian nice guys are snooty cocks, their french isn't even real french, and yet it is required to be spoken during political holdings, it's put on all labeling/advertising, even in places that contain no french people. And it's even mandatory in some schools for a time, all because those false-frogs won't let go and keep french as an "official canadian language"
It's not really the people as much as the political background that surrounds them
>>57643
Its due to politics more then anything
When the Bloc was a thing they held alot of power in the legislature particularly with minority governments and pretty much blackmailed the governments into better deals for Quebec. Equalization payments are also a touchy issue, they haven't made a net positive payment since 1956. This in itself isn't a huge issue since the maritimes haven't contributed in decades but Quebec has the cheapest university tuition rates, government subsidized daycare, etc. This makes it seems Quebec is spending money where it shouldn't and leeching off the rest of Canada.
>>58343
blackmail reference
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/tories-blast-duceppes-attempt-at-budget-blackmail/article611219/
>The demand is outrageous," the MP said, vowing the Tories would not be "blackmailed" into avoiding an election despite Mr. Harper's repeated vows not to provoke one.
>>41102
Honestly?
I think it's one of the most boring parts of world history. Too many names, bureaucratic terms, dates, movements, etc., to remember.
Nothing came out of more than three decades of hot and cold hostility. The closest we got to war was supplying weapons to countries that didn't like the USSR. The whole thing was just a huge "my dad can beat up your dad" bout, that, all in all, was just two countries feeling threatened by the size, power and success of each other.
>>41502
What about letting Nazis go free in return for info on Russia?
>>58761
>I think it's one of the most boring parts of world history.
if you lived in south america, asia or africa, you would not say that
>>58343
quebec is a buncha fucking commies too
>>58794
What happened there? More ridiculous fighting and war over a new form of government that doesn't even work in the long run?
I know it's a huge topic everyone loves, but for me, Communism, the Cold War and all that jazz puts my brain to sleep.
>>58826
>What happened there?
many suffering and shit
What are some really good Cold War movies and tv shows (fiction or nonfiction)?
I fucking love the Americans and Deutschland 83, so anything in that vein would be great
>>58852
>What are some really good Cold War movies and tv shows (fiction or nonfiction)?
i wanna see a movie which contains soviet narrative, no shitty rambo plz
>>58874
The Beast of War
>>58852
Goodbye Lenin is a great
>>41686
Khmer Rouge were cool guys and dindu nuffin
>>42258
>Commies are murdering women and clergy an negros are dancing.
Odd years bad, even years good.
pointless ideological dickwaving.
>>41102
It's not over.
>>41743
>free and open society
i've got some news for ya bud
