Did the Ottomans contribute anything of value to the areas they conquered?
yep, they've built a train from turkey to medina, however, abdulaziz blew it up based on orders from britain.
>>399541
Hospitals, schools, bridges, roads, mosques, bridges.
Depends on which area you talking about.
In Hungary and Balkans:
Mosques, baths, some vital infrastrcutrue stuff.
Not much otherwise, and they destroyed lot of christian/medieval heritage.
>>399541
They build public baths,bridges, forts, mosques, schools, roads and caravan sarays which are basically inns made for traveling merchants but most of these buildings got destroyed by balkan revolutionaries who wanted to get rid of all turkish influences.
>>399541
I'm pretty sure if you were a minority in the region you are living in you would be way better off living in Ottoman Empire rather than living in anywhere else.
I think you are trying to associate the problems eastern Europe or other parts of the empire with Ottoman rule when the political problems these regions are facing are relatively new (communism, rise of nationalism and religious discrimination all of which did not exist at 1683). Economic problems in these regions are also mostly caused by the instability after the dissolution.
I don't claim Ottoman Empire was the best one ever, but I hate when people try to imply things projecting modern values on historical empires.
>>399541
A lot of cultural stuff like music/singing, food, coffee, hookah
>>402236
lel he just asked a simple question
>>399541
>potentially the original cause of the Yugoslav Wars
>>402236
>I'm pretty sure if you were a minority in the region you are living in you would be way better off living in Ottoman Empire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_genocide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_genocide
In general the answer is no. The Ottomans had no great innovators, philosophers, or inventors. They were horse people skilled in warfare who rose to prominence within the Islamic world and eventually managed to take a city of tremendous geographical significance. They were middlemen, growing fat off the trade from east and west and maintaining their position because war was the one thing they were good at. Their culture was stagnant and conservative. It's no surprise that once the Age of Sail started their influence began to wane and they never recovered. Also their treatment of the people of the Balkans was horrific.
Is there a reason why the Ottomans could conquer as much land as the Umayyads?
>>402337
*Couldn't
>>402337
Hostile Shia Safavids.
>>402337
The Umayyads had the benefit of expanding out of Arabia at an extremely opportune moment in history. The Persians and Byzantines were the major regional powers and both were very weak from fighting each other. The Ottomans were actually quite successful militarily for a long time, they just didn't have the incredibly lucky timing of the Umayyads.
>>402360
>Umayyad
I though that was the Rashidun Caliphate that took advantage of Persian Byzantine weakness.
>>402384
You're right actually, I got the order of the caliphates mixed up
What I don't understand is why everyone complains about British colonialism, yet no one ever mentions the Ottoman Empire, who were just as bad.
Is it just because they are brown that they don't get criticised?
>>402399
For years they were "sick man of Europe"
Realizing the failures of post-WWI British/France colonialism of the Middle East is a relatively new thing
>>399541
No, only things of the time required of them as rulers. Nothing ordinary worth preserving. Similar to how Soviets built "hospitals n shiet".
>>402413
*out of the ordinary
>>402399
short memories + white guilt
People think of Muslims as peaceful victims of western oppression because they don't know anything about history. They have no idea that large parts of Europe were once conquered by Muslims and that millions of Europeans were either enslaved or conscripted by them either. They don't understand that over a thousand years passed before Europe finally gained the upper hand in the conflict against the Islamic world and that the only peace we've had is due to superior firepower. The brief interlude is now coming to an end, and the 1400 year old conflict between civilizations is resuming.
>>402399
>everyone complains about British colonialism, yet no one ever mentions the Ottoman Empire
The average American doesn't even know there was such a thing as the Ottoman Empire
>>402236
>religious discrimination is new
Well, that's enough his for tonight, back to o.
>>402317
Kind of reminds me of the narrative people push on America.
>>402457
That's odd, in Texas we learned about the ottomans since gradeschool, pretty much as soon as we got into WW1.
Not much on it in middle school, but high school defo had the entire ottoman history for a six weeks.
But don't mind me, American education, after all.
>>402494
>Ottomans for six weeks in high school
Yeah nah
>>402494
>the entire ottoman history for a six weeks
Well then your one of a lucky few. Go ahead and ask people on the street about the Ottoman Empire. See what they can tell you
>>402310
Did they happen around 1683?
>>399559
kekd
>>399541
>Cultural enrichment
>>399541
It stopped the middle east from being a warring shithole caused by Arab Tribes.
That alone is a huge plus to the Ottomans. Thank you Britain and France.
>>399541
This is a serious question, the Ottoman empire barely contributed to the world...
>>399541
they planted a lot of sharpened poles and spits, left a lot of metal hooks in facade wals of publick buildings, and invented many new forms of publick torture and execution, with a specific emphasis on dying slowly, with greater, even if diverse effects, on the public, than the westerns style time-efficint methods of executing humans
they also pioneered(even if some would contest this fact quoting earlier examples) the use of human bone in regime architecture
>>400364
Bridges, baths, forts and caravan sarays weren't destroyed though. I should know, amam is tourist attraction in my hometown and in the middle city where I go to college there is a big fucking fortress.
However, none of this is something unique to Ottomans. Serbian kings built infrastructure as well and I'm sure Bulgarian did too.
>>402310
At first, Armenians killed us when our men were in war. They had it coming.
>>399541
>mfw getting reminded of how far into europe the ottomans conquered
Ottomans didn't even contribute anything of value to Anatolia
There are more Roman and Seljuk buildings in my area than Ottoman buildings for fucks sake
>>403388
But a few years before that you guys would go in and massacre a village. Maybe Turks are just cunts
>>403396
they conquered everywhere from the central asian steppes to the gates of wien, pretty normal for a steppe nigger tribe
>>399541
They kept the Wahabbis in their place.
>>403399
>Maybe Turks are just cunts
they are, historicaly proven fact
>>402317
They had some scientists though and the balkan people were treated pretty well for the 16th and 17th century also the ottomans were heavily participating in trade through te whole of europe. There were ottoman tradesmen who traded all the way in holland for example.
>>402422
Dude what would you expect them to build aside from the necessary infrastructure ?
>>403338
They also ate babies right ?
>>403398
They focussed on the balkans and the areas around konstantiniyye.
>>403388
lel
dindunuffin
reminder that genocide Is the bi-product of a civilized society, which realizes that exterminating the threat, to none, Is the most effective cause to futher peace.
>>403488
are you saying that every civilized society has committed a genocide?
>>403496
Didn't they ?
Brits killed the boers, germans killed jews, americans killed the indians, turks killed the armenians, the dutch killed indonesians etc etc
>>403503
sauce for brits, americans and the dutch?
>americans killed the indians
didn't most of the injuns die because of smallpox?
also you listed only 5 examples, what about the rest of civilized societies?
>>403510
Uuhm belgians killed people in congo russians killed ukrainians central asians and themselves. Sauce could take a bit but I got the indonesian thing from school.
>>403518
please provide sauce for every civilized society. then and only then can you claim that "genocide Is the bi-product (sic) of a civilized society"
>I got the indonesian thing from school
where are you from?
also
>russians
>civilized
>>403528
Netherlands but I wasn't the guy that said that genocide was a by product of civilization it just happens thay most civilized empires did cause a large amounts of deaths to a certain people.
>>403534
well still not every large amount of deaths can be classified as genocide, but yeah of course every empire/state uses violence from time to time
>>403528
>27,927 Boer civilians died in concentration camps, plus an unknown number of black Africans.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Boer_War
>>403496
>>403510
here goes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacification_of_Libya
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsley_Massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dersim_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Operation_of_the_NKVD_(1937%E2%80%9338)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Lentil_(Caucasus)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Alls_Policy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_crimes_against_the_Polish_nation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_transfer_in_the_Soviet_Union
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Poles_by_Nazi_Germany
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_9066
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_mistreatment_of_Soviet_prisoners_of_war
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_T4
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasenovac_concentration_camp
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Crimean_Tatars
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porajmos
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans_(1944%E2%80%9350)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foibe_massacres
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_India
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_National_Revolution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/30_September_Movement
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_Generations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istanbul_pogrom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apartheid
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zanzibar_Revolution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_of_Revenge
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Bangladesh_genocide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_invasion_of_Cyprus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemalan_Civil_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_anti-Sikh_riots
>>403555
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Punic_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bar_Kokhba_revolt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wei%E2%80%93Jie_war
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albigensian_Crusade
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicilian_Vespers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_under_the_Mongol_Empire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alhambra_Decree
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_the_Moriscos
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cromwellian_conquest_of_Ireland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_for_the_Settlement_of_Ireland_1652
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakushain%27s_Revolt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highland_Clearances
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzungar_genocide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_the_Acadians
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebellion_of_T%C3%BApac_Amaru_II
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menashi-Kunashir_Rebellion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_the_Vend%C3%A9e
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1804_Haiti_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mfecane
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Removal_Act
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraguayan_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conquest_of_the_Desert
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_(Ireland)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing_of_Circassians
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste_War_of_Yucat%C3%A1n
>>403560
>Genocide is the intent to systematically eliminate a racial, ethnic, religious, cultural or national group.
yes
>>403566
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot
so this is genocide?
>>403573
so every pogrom/massacre in history was a genocide (no matter the scale)? I think you missed the word *systematically* there
Daily reminder that this is what happens when you're ruled by the Ottomen.
Even 70 years after independence, the Ottomen/Austrian border was clearly seen in terms of literacy.
In fact, Yugoslavia is a really good study case to see the effects of Ottomen administration, just contrast Slovenia/Croatia with Bosnia and then with Serbia on any of the GDP, HDI, etc. indicators throught the 20th century.
It all gets outweighted in terms of contribution by burek, čevapi and kava though d e s u
>>403475
While the west may have Vlad the implier memes, it's actually the Turks who are well known for their extensive impalings here in their ex raid zone.
>>403518
>killed themselves
Now that's a prime key of a civilised society.
>>403566
You're thick as shit
>>403470
>and the balkan people were treated pretty well for the 16th and 17th century
Turko-islamic propaganda. Christians were treated brutally except for the rich greek merchants. There's a reason why there were uprisings constantly.
>>403634
>"b-but I thought they liked going for a walk"
>>403634
How many uprisings were there before 1700 ?
>>403634
I think there weren't actually many uprisings before the late 18th century.
>>403488
Sure, it's just that a Turkish victory leaves the world worse off, the "Turkish" "nation" is not blessed by God, their only achievement is death and destruction and renaming foods and places.
>Everywhere, as though at a preconcerted signal, the peasantry rose, and massacred all the Turks—men, women and children—on whom they could lay hands. In the Morea shall no Turk be left. Nor in the whole wide world. Thus rang the song which, from mouth to mouth, announced the beginning of a war of extermination... Within three weeks of the outbreak of the revolt, not a Muslim was left, save those who had succeeded in escaping into the towns.
>>403388
AK Troller buraya bile gelmis
>>402337
They conquered a lot more than the Umayyads though if you don't count the lands inherited by the Umayyads by usurping the caliphate.
>>403887
Yeah just fuck off to /int/ now if you don't have anything to add aside from shitty memes and butthurt you shouldn't be here.
>>399541
Burek, thats it.
designated goatsex streets
>>399547
Based Britain does it again
at what point did the turkish ruling elite stop being ethnically turkic?
>>406023
Before they even got relevant
They mostly contributed a system of rape-slaves which continues to this day
The Ottoman Empire, famous for fuck all! Full of furniture for some reason.
>>406086
Nah, USSR did that. Or at least its breakup.
>>402442
this.
just this.
>>399541
They brought coffee.
>>407966
And also a primitive form of vaccination, a french ambassadors wife saw the commoners taking in a bit of diseased tissue which seemed to make the people more resistant against diseases.
>>403887
>For three days the miserable inhabitants were given over to lust and cruelty of a mob of savages. Neither sex nor age was spared. Women and children were tortured before being put to death. So great was the slaughter that Kolokotronis himself says that, from the gate to the citadel his horse’s hoofs never touched the ground. His path of triumph was carpeted with corpses. At the end of two days, the wretched remnant of the Mussulmans were deliberately collected, to the number of some two thousand souls, of every age and sex, but principally women and children, were led out to a ravine in the neighboring mountains and there butchered like cattle.
good times m8
