What divides Eastern Europe and Western Europe?
>>394374
communism
currently? communism
before that? influence of imperial russia
in the middle ages? religion, and what one would call "west" reached far beyond its present day boundaries to "central" or eastern european countries today (i.e. bohemia, poland...)
>>394403
most say western though currently EE countries are getting richer than it
>>394412
So religion no longer matters? Isn't Greece Orthodox?
>>394403
Modern Western Europeean civilisation was developed from the Greek's.
>>394374
Western Europe is on the West side of Europe and Eastern Europe is mainly in the East of Europe.
>>394374
Wealth.
>>394403
that question really needs specifying - it is not eastern europe in the geopolitical sense of the late 20th century (because that basically equals gommis), it is eastern europe in a simple geographic division of europe, etc.
>original definition
East: Orthodox
West: Catholic / Protestant
>cold war definition
East: Commies
West: Capitalists
>modern definition
East: poor
West: rich
Although the richest Eastern countries are now wealthier than the poorest Western ones, so that definition might change again.
>>394403
Greece is as Eastern European as it gets.
>geographically eastern
>orthodox
>poor as fuck
The only thing separating them from other Easterners is that they haven't been communists.
>>394432
Is there a simple geographical divide between Eastern and Western Europe? Are there any natural landmarks or barriers?
>>394445
i dont think there is a difference between the cold war and modern definitions, the modern definitions are the cold war ones
and i think they will stay that way - meaning that if (however unlikely) someone like poland suddenly experienced a massive boost in economy and became, i dunno, who might be comparable, spain? belgium? no idea, they would still be eastern euroep
we are stuck with the cold war division until a new major paradigm mixes things up
>>394453
no - i meant it strictly in the "these guys are on the left on the map, these are on the right" sense to illustrate that it needs specifying
the most traditional divisions of europe into the four cardinal directions put greece into southern europe
>>394458
Poland is already richer than Portugal, for instance.
iron curtain
>tfw you will never travel around pre-WW1 Europe, and go on adventures with Hungarian countesses, or play piano in dive bars in imperial Bratislava, or make love to superstitious Polish peasant girls, who find your fancy city ways irresistible.
>>394501
>imperial Bratislava
That's an anachronism since that name got created post WW1, thanks to panslavist nonsense.
German: Pressburg
Hungarian: Pozsony
Slovak: Prešporok / Prešpurk
![depositphotos_5125365-Sad-Springer-Spaniel.-Close-up-portrait[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/IGG7FqQ.jpg "depositphotos_5125365-Sad-Springer-Spaniel.-Close-up-portrait[1].jpg")
>>394512
Why must you deprive me of my delusions?
>>394395
bohemia is considered eastern europe in middle ages? sure they were western slavic but still.
>>394374
Eastern Europe is really hard to define, we could go with Communism, borders of Germany and A-H, borders of HRE, Catholic Church or ethnicity/language. Central Europe is the best way to describe countries stuck between Eastern and Western influences.
>>394546
>muh mitteleuropa
merkel pls go
>>394374
Central Europe
>>394546
Countries like for example Czechoslovakia or East Germany had no eastern (Russian or Orthodox) influence prior to the Cold War, so it's hard to define no matter how you look at it.
>>394458
>i dont think there is a difference between the cold war and modern definitions, the modern definitions are the cold war ones
It's even more complicated. The most modern definition of Eastern Europe is "those countries not in EU", meaning Belarus, Ukraine, Moldova and that's it.
Georgia also considers itself Eastern European, though.
my first inclination before reading any replies was to say the Iron Curtain.
>>394562
Poland haven't you got a toilet to clean? Nobody considers you western Europe
>>394568
Not him and not even Polish, but Poland has decisively been western for most of their history, thanks to catholicism and renaissance.
>>394573
Pic related is a battle of Poland and Lithuania against Russia.
Afterwards they went full slav/tartar.
>>394626
>Poland
>they went full slav
They were never "not slav". Slav isn't a synonym of Russian.
>>394626
>All Slavs are Russian
I hate this meme.
>>394626
>le Wends are not Slavs meme
>>394633
I meant in regards to style of clothing, armor and such.
Before that it appears to be more of a mixture of Germs and Slavs.
>>394540
no, it was not (like hungary or poland) - not in the sense of a political and/or cultural east-west dichotomy
insofar as a east-west divide existed back then, they were a part of "the west" because the east-west dichotomy focused largely on religion (as well as secondary factors like being a part of the HRE)
whereas in the 20th century, this politico-cultural boundary of the east/west shifted with the geopolitical climate of the capitalist west/commie east
>>394636
It's a meme started by the Russians themselves. For example Russians love to say that non-Orthodox Slavs are traitors to Slavdom or some shit like that, completely disregarding that Poland and Bohemia were Catholic years before Russia became Orthodox.
>>394651
>Panslavist Russians
truly the worst kind of people
>>394652
It's not even panslavism, but certain people thinking that Russians have a patent on Slavdom and that less Russian = less Slavic.
I mean the religion thing would make sense if Russians were ancestral Slavic pagans or some shit, but Orthodoxy isn't Slavic whatsoever, it's just copypasted from Byzantium.
>>394661
>extending the meaning of Slavonicism (is that even a word) beyond a language group
I never understood the obsession with the above. Like, it's as if Danes or someone clamored for uniting with the Netherlands, Sweden and Germany or something. Dumb Russkies.
>>394374
Well, today it is Islam - west has lots of it, east has little or none.
>>394673
There have been attempts of pan-Germanism, but you never hear anyone say stupid shit like Icelanders are not "true Germanics" before they don't wear lederhosen and eat bratwurst.
>>394673
>Like, it's as if Danes or someone clamored for uniting with the Netherlands, Sweden and Germany or something
Doesn't sound to bad.
Well maybe we should exclude Sweden and Germany and add Norway and Switzerland.
>>394651
>Poland and Bohemia were Catholic years before Russia became Orthodox.
Russia didn't even really exist back then. It just the various Rus' states
>>394701
Well there was Kievan Rus which was kind of a loose union.
Central Europe
>>394725
u r 1 cheeky immanuel
>>394707
Well yeah but that isn't really Russia per say.
>>394374
Germany.
>>394840
underrated post
>>394374
Currently/recently? Capitalist vs Communist during the Cold War.
Previously? Descended from the Western Roman Empire or the Eastern Roman Empire.
Ah, the west vs east split
Western Roman Empire vs Eastern Roman Empire
Carolingian/Holy Roman Empire vs eastern barbarians
Germanic/Romantic vs Slavic
Catholic/Protestant vs Orthodox
Commercialism vs Spirituality
Capitalism vs Communism
The west is interestingly also split between north and south:
Protestants vs Catholics
Austere vs Decorative
Silence vs Noise
Germanics (+Gauls/Celts) vs Roman Empire
Hard money vs Soft money
Punctuality/anal retentiveness vs Mañana culture
Statism vs Family/clannishness
Nuclear families vs Extended families
Legalism & bureaucracy vs Patronage & Clientelism
Of course, it's dumb to just lump and divide like this.
>>394374
The roman empire
>>394374
Slavs
>>394374
>What divides Eastern Europe and Western Europe?
Germany
>>394725
Came here to post this.
