50's appreciation thread
What made this decade the best in modern America?
Did America help returning GIs with buying homes and cars and shit?
>>390651
>>390651
The fact that everything was controlled by white males who could project their own self-satisfaction onto everyone?
Look how happy they were. Even chores with kids was happy.
How could everything go so wrong?
>>390651
>What made this decade the best in modern America?
Propaganda and racism.
>>390714
>Propaganda and racism.
So if we brought these back, we could make America great again?
>>390678
it didn't go wrong because nothing changed, those images are just propaganda
>>390722
Only if you paint pictures of what you like and ignore reality
>>390722
No I'm saying it never was, OP just thinks it is because he's white and gullible.
>restriction of civil liberties in the name of combating communism
>blatant racial discrimination
>constant threat of nuclear annihilation
why are the 50s so romanticized?
>>390722
subtle trump, nice
>>390738
>Got to shoot chink commies
>Put uptities in their place
>Dawn of the age of nuclear power
Why are the 50's so under appreciated again?
>>390738
>>restriction of civil liberties in the name of combating communism
w h e r e
>>390651
>Best decade
>higher rates of wedlock births than modern day yet saddled with all that sexual repression
ya no
>>390731
Divorce rate in 50's: 21-26%
Divorce rate today: 50+%
More stable families. Much more a reality back then
>>390755
did you even go to school?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_Act_trials_of_Communist_Party_leaders
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_Picture_Production_Code
>>390766
>Divorce rate in 50's: 21-26%
wow 1/5.
>>390731
>what I do not like is propaganda
Doo Wop hotels
Still a few left where Iive
>>390788
>>390714
>>390738
>Muh racism
>Muh poor commies being oppressed
Can't you pricks enjoy something for once?
>>390678
>I get my history from advertisements
Wew Lad Tbh. Infowars would be a step up from where you're sitting.
>>390788
>Muh Hollywood
>>390813
>>Muh poor commies being oppressed
>shitting on the entire concept of democracy and free speech is literally OK when America does it
50s had some pretty good architecture tho, i'll give it that
>>390813
I do, I enjoy living in the 21st century in a country that isn't a shithole like America.
>>390788
>muh poor poor commies
get fucked pinko
Tfw watching a movie in cinemascope at your local drive-in
Anyone who has been to one knows how great it is
>>390665
>a nation with a overwhelming white majority served white interests
>>390855
>I hate democracy
>>>/USSR/
>>390811
Those pictures are shit even before thinking about their 'message's'
An entire genre of dining
>>390872
This is the only case in which the Left has cared about free speech in the past century.
>>390651
>What made this decade the best in modern America?
Nothing. Decades aren't meaningful historically. "Bests" aren't historical. The nostalgia that went on at the time for the 1950s was marketing ideology and denial.
World's most popular slut comes from this decade
this >>390834
after the 50s it was mandated that all architecture be based on pseudointellectual drivel and be an eyesore that kucks the local population and reminds them of the dominance of their slippery fallacious smooth talking champagne sipping liberal masters
only east asian modern architecture is any good because they are immune to this phenomena for whatever reason
>>390834
Top fucking kek.
>I'll only defend communists
Civil liberties are not unlimited faggot.
>>390903
>only east asian modern architecture is any good because they are immune to this phenomena for whatever reason
Those are literally just skyscrapers with lights on them. Do you still go for light-up sneakers?
>this is progress according to libshits
McCarthy was right.
>>390925
Tomorrowland is a god-tier rad.
>>390925
liberals think new disneyland is better than old? News to me
>>390925
>They added another ride to the amusement park and now it sucks
A sad phase in every child's life
Giant monster B-movies
>>390834
Streamliner is 1930s
>>390905
>implying I only defend commies
>implying I don't think that natsocs, commies, and the like have the right to be retards
freedom of speech would be pointless if we didn't allow unpopular opinions to be voiced f@m
>>390889
>This is the only case in which the Left has cared about free speech in the past century.
The ACLU was founded by Tankies and Fellow Travellers and run by them for a very long time.
>>390938
God bless nuclear energy.
>>390651
lots and lots of censorship
just hid all the shit under the rug
owning most of the world's economy didn't hurt either.
>>390662
Korea was a nightmare of a war. It's a shame how much it's passed over by history.
>>391015
Well yes, the genocidal aerial bombardment of Korean industry by the aggressors left the Kim faction with the power to take "care" of the other four factions in the revolution.
>>391015
that's because it's technically still going on
>wanting to live in a postwar society sexually and emotionally repressed society
>>390766
Are you retarded? Back in those days it was way less socially acceptable to divorce.
>>391141
>implying you can get laid regardless
>>391146
So what you're saying is not making divorce mainstream and accepted is a bad thing?
>>391154
I'm not talking about getting laid. I'm saying it sucks living in a decade where literally everyone was faking it. The beat movement is the only good thing out of that era.
>>391158
I actually agree that divorce shouldn't be as acceptable as it is now. But just because they weren't getting divorced back them doesn't mean they didn't want to.
>What made this decade the best in modern America?
Dozens of replies and no one states the obvious thing. America was at the top of the world economy. We emerged from ww2 as the only country that hadn't been completely wrecked.
Fucking retards thinking it had to do with "racism" as if the plight of a few niggers mattered on a global scale.
>>391158
>muh happiness
>muh independence
Who cares if not having a father figure turns my son into a socially retarded manchild who faps to lolis on anonymous imageboards
>>391181
Also the reason divorce rates were so low is because everyone wad loaded with cash. A woman could mary any average guy and never need to work.
Nowadays even if the man has a 6 digit income it might not be possible.
According to my parents who grew up in that time all the WW2 vets became alcoholics and liked to beat their wives and children
>>390651
A theory I've always held...
As an evolutionary biologist, I have always held that war itself is a culling process. After the war, those that survived had superior genes for survivability and thereby were the most evolutionarily "fit". And, given the natural post-war boom an economy gets, the American economy thrived.
Granted, this is a gross oversimplification, but I believe it merits consideration.
>>391212
>As an evolutionary biologist
>>>/x/andstaythere
>>391212
>war itself is a culling process
True. but it's one that favors nobody. You could be the fittest, most able-bodied man on the earth, but one stray bullet, one well placed shell, and that's it. True, the weakest probably perished from disease and injury, but they did so in equal numbers to the strong who I imagine probably suffered just as much.
>>391212
Yeah because a bombshell through the fucking roof that turns your entire family into hamburgers really is a testament to evolutionary prowess.
War is not a "culling process". Calling it so is romanticized, childish and stupid.
>>390913
And? What is wrong with sneakers that look like spaceman shoes? Black folks love them.
Yes. I want to see something that sparkles and shines because it is pretty. I am completely aware it is a superficial facade covering a flawed dystopia, but you're not supposed to be a cynical edgy douche ALL the time. The place you live in is not supposed to look like a piece of shit. I swear it is like you people don't want to live.
>>391307
I don't want them to be duller, I think they don't go far enough
>>391164
Kill yourself.
Beatnik scum.
>>391212
jesus christ hands down one of the most retarded things I have ever read on /his/
>>390885
Where did this fad of sleek, round design come from? Was it the atomic age that brought it forward?
>>391164
>>391175
>chongqing
>chong ching
>>391408
1930s, Streamliner.
>>391164
>degenerate sees hardworking, happy, white families
>they must be faking it!!! there's no way someone could be happy if they don't have internet access!!! people are only happy now that they come from broken homes, have horrible job prospects, and are sexually deviant!!!
>>391554
>/pol/tard sees a happy interracial couple
>f-fucking race traitor degenerate! they must be faking it! le happy merchant must be up to his old tricks! kucked again
>>391608
Irrelevant strawman that ignores my point
Good shit though, keep posting
>>391612
not even the the original guy >>391554 was replying to, but I agree, retrofuturism is the shit
>>391623
>>391632
WAR, War never changes.... entered my power armor.
Fuck America and Americans. I hope you devolve into a wasteland of race riots and state-sanctioned corporate despotism with a laughable military presence abroad.
>>390945
This guy knows.
there were 3 recessions during the 50s
Kennedy and his congress cutting taxes and starting deregulation brought forth the economic miracle of Post War America.
Then the left started fucking it all up once the boomers were all out of college.Then the right started really fucking it all up starting with reagan.
>>391772
Build wall
>>390766
marriage was for life for the previous generations and i can tell you for experience that it led to a very frustrating and a pathetic sad life, i can say it because i know my grandparents and many more people from the same era
like it or not, once you married someone you were bounded for life and keep in mind that romantic relationships were pretty shorter than they're nowadays - so you could have two people that met 2 months ago starting dating and marring in less than half an year
>>391993
not to mention that marriage for love is a recent invention.
>>391212
fucking retard. say that to the millions of healthy young men who died in the trenches of world war one.
>>390738
There's nothing wrong with the first two.
Pls don't put your baseball cards in bicycle spokes.
>>391993
>personal anecdote
>everyone who was married was miserable
>t. Polyamorous asexual troglodyte
>>390651
All the propaganda
>>393325
>communist cûcks get this mad a strong, unified, Christian country
Success breeds jelousy
> le perfect anglo community
top kek
leave propaganda to the germans and the russians
"WELL, GEE MOM I SURE DO LOVE MY SODA POP SO I SEZ TO MAYBLE, I SEZ LETS PAINT A FENCE"
>>393361
that nigga be looking like Scars son from the lion king two
>>393380
> that nigga
???
he's white
>>390651
>What made this decade the best in modern America?
No war, meaning no resource scarcity, so people could dedicate themselves to more leisure activities.
No feminism, so women spent all their time trying to look the best for their man and staying at home taking care of kids while cooking and cleaning.
Technological advancements from WW2 has catapulted American society into a new height of convenience and progress.
When people think of the American dream, they think of 1950s America.
>>393393
That face is creepy as fuck
>>393387
how
>>390885
They don't make them like that anymore, and I'm not just repeating this old phrase, they really don't.
>>390901
>average modern woman is 10x more sluttier than she ever was
>>393325
>>393361
>t-they must have been faking it
Kill yourself.
>supporting sexism
>>391146
True. My mom was fucked because she grew up with a Korean war vet dad who would beat his wife. They were both miserable alcoholics and died of lung cancer and shock therapy.
>>393438
no, it's just really shitty propaganda
there is no awe inspiring grandeur like there is in nazi or soviet propaganda
its just normies being normies, maybe playing with a hula-hoop or something equally dumb
there are americans who wish they were nazis or soviets, the reverse does not exist
Women were happier in the home
>>390651
>What made this decade the best in modern America?
Money.
>>393402
It should really be required to pass some form of historical literacy test to post on this board.
>>393543
Nice sources. Coherent argument. Pass (55/100).
Insane amounts of money and economic power. Huge job market. Seriously, back then, as long as you graduated high school and adhered to social norms, there was no reason you wouldn't end up with the house, family, and picket fence, provided you were white of course.
College was RIDICULOUSLY (i mean RIDICULOUSLY) cheap, and all you needed was a high school diploma and a heart beat to attend most state universities. You didn't even need to bother with it though unless you wanted to be a highly skilled professional, and then it was just about how smart you are and hard you worked, not about if you were willing to take out a lifetime's worth of debt as collateral. 95% of people got jobs after high school and ended up very well off, becoming the old people today asking kids why we don't just get a damn job already without realizing how rigged the system is nowadays.
>>390678
The left.
>>393393
>that face
>that candle on the wall
>that 2000s Dyson vacuum
this pic is crazy uncanny valley wtf
>>390945
Only true American itt
>>393402
>1950s
>no war
My uncle who got drafted to fight in Korea would disagree with you
>>390945
>>391777
>>393666
The govt totally didn't execute people for being alleged commies during the cold war or anything
Also checked
Itt: propaganda isn't propaganda if I want it it to true.
Can't wait until you fags grow up and your grandchildren look back on right now like you look back on the 50s. Maybe then you'll see how their manufactured nostalgia is motivated by stupidity and contrarianism.
>implying they won't
>>393668
>tfw grandpa got drafted during Korea
>tfw he got sent to Nevada to test nukes instead of killing gooks in the snow
>tfw he got out and became a minister after his career of watching literal hellfire all day
Guess my family got lucky desu
>>393706
I can see this era, from about 1998-now, called the Golden Age of the Internet. I mean seriously, never before have we had a medium where anyone ANYWHERE can exchange ideals instantly with others anywhere, at any time. We are seeing the beginnings of its censorship and inevitable fall into control of the powers that be, and when it finally happens that sites like 4chan shut down, we will look back on this time with insane nostalgia. Enjoy this while we can, even if the sum all human technology and progress has led to young educated people spreading memes everywhere instead of being productive members of society.
>>390925
I'm not understanding the complaint here.
>>393716
My Uncle got drafted when they did the lottery. Picked the letter that our last name starts with on television, and he found out he had to report for basic training within the month. He had just turned 18. Ends up diving on a grenade in battle to protect his squad, split his stomach open like a fucking c-section surgery, and lived long enough for his grateful brothers in arms to carry him back to the med station so they could sew his stomach back together. Now he has all kinds of fucked up PTSD, gigantic scars all over the front of his body from the explosion, and walks with a limp everywhere even today. But at least he got a Purple Heart, a commendation for his valor, and helped stop Communism, right?
He had JUST TURNED 18 man. The government just came in and ripped his entire life out from under him by drawing a lottery ball with an "L" on it on national television. The draft is fucking awful, we have to thank Richard Nixon at least for ending it.
>>391015
I never understood why people call Korea the forgotten war until I realized that not everyone watches MASH.
>>393676
It didn't, which is a shame. People like MLK should've been hanged.
>>391608
>that image
>we could have had a nuclear powered utopia if only the public wasn't irrationally afraid of nuclear power plants exploding
Feels bad.
>>393796
Yeah it blows my mind that some of these guys were landing in Normandy or getting shot at by Charlie right out of high school. I think I spent those years getting drunk and jacking off.
>>393361
>LE STEPFORD WIVES DYSTOPIA HAPPINESS IS FAKE STABLE HOUSEHOLDS ARE PATRIARCHAL OPPRESSION GAS THE MEN GENDER WAR NOW
>>393828
Yeah I spent ages 18-22 in a haze of pot smoke and cheap beer. There is no way anyone our age has the emotional maturity to deal with modern-era warfare anymore. Our vets come back from the Middle East with 1000 yard stares, and aren't even fighting armies/political institutions on the level of what we saw in the 40s/50s. Can't even imagine it, although the show Mad Men does a good job of showing how fucked up it made a lot of people who survived the era (and also made total badasses out of others)
>>393847
It's really weird that you're basing it on this idea that the only way to think the 50s were shit was because of Gender issues.
Hope you like freezing to death in Korea.
>>393855
>implying majority of population fought in Korea
Not to mention you'd be hard pressed to name a generation that didn't experience a war. According to your logic every era was shit.
>>393855
People today think quality of life is entirely based off social issues and have a hard time imagining that society used to be really rigid, structured, and you just didn't leave your social group. If you never left, you didn't know the difference. There was no Internet full of info on how others live or why things are the way they are. People were a lot more content and easy-going, a quality that we are all rapidly losing these days.
All war reparations paid back
Rebuilding after the war
Helsinki olympic games 1952
Rabit industrialization
Building of welfare society
Huge economic growth
First Finnish tv prodgast in may 1955
>>393865
I'm sorry, how many drafts have their been since 1972? And how many were there before 1914?
>>393934
There was a grand total of 35 thousand Americans dying in Korea. Out of 150 million people. You fucking retard.
>>393706
>ITT everything is propaganda because I say so
The 2000s are the age of contrarianism.
>>393952
Never mind that the US was in an ideological war of sorts with communism. I'm not saying there wasn't massive amounts of prosperity, but it was certainly in the government's best interest to play it up to make people lean more for capitalism over communism.
Of course, half of these pics are from ads, which are their own form of propaganda, i.e. "look how happy these people are using our product! You could be one of them!"
>>393938
Dude, you're all over the map.
"Everyone experiences war, there's nothing that can be done about it"
"Dude no one really went to war, it was no big deal."
Those happy 50s pictures aren't even propaganda, they're fucking advertisement for vacuum cleaners and dishwashers, this is on par with modern Chipotle commercials. I mean while I do think the 50s were pretty good for the average American, using fucking ads as a proof of that is beyond retarded.
>>394002
You're the one claiming the 50s were shit because of Korea. So I guess the 1910s were also shit because of WW1, the 40s were shit because of WW2, the 60s and 70s were shit because of Vietnam, the modern period is shit because of Iraq and Afghanistan and so on. Basically everything is shit.
>>390651
>ywn go to Korea only to come home with an ass full of shrapnel and your left arm amputated due to frostbite
>ywn live a shitty life without hope for the future because you can't work
>ywn experience the sadness of seeing your wife leaving you with your kids as your PTSD makes you a danger to the family
>ywn drive a car so unsafe it's basically just a metallic casket
>ywn live in fear of nuclear holocaust
>ywn live in an age where all the information had like 4 sources in total
>ywn live in an age where achievement was dependent on the color of your skin
>ywn see another generation of young men being sent into another East-Asian hellhole-turned meat mincer only to die by the thousands and come home with PTSD
Life is indeed hard now brehs.
>>394013
> So I guess the 1910s were also shit because of WW1, the 40s were shit because of WW2, the 60s and 70s were shit because of Vietnam
Yeah, those were pretty shitty times, all in all. I mean, for other reasons as well, but yes, those made those periods significantly shitty.
Is it really that surprising to say the 40s were a shitty time?
As for Afghanistan, you're looking at a small group of professional volunteers, essential a mercenary force. You don't even have a danger of getting sent to Japan nowadays.
Meanwhile, of your 150 million people (and leaving aside the 75 million women because that's largely a seperate issue), nearly 2 million were put into the theater, and nearly 6 million were in service.
So yeah, it was kind of a big deal, yes.
>>394013
>1910s were shit because of WWI
Yes
>40s were shit because of WWII
Yes
>Vietnam, etc
Well here we're getting into the age of proxy wars as a result of global powers and the previous two wars. They sucked if you were involved with them, but that was a small amount of people comparatively speaking.
The world wars wiped out generations. WWI essentially killed the nobility in Europe and only South America got out of WWII only to be fucked up in the Cold War.
>>394042
>Meanwhile, of your 150 million people (and leaving aside the 75 million women because that's largely a seperate issue), nearly 2 million were put into the theater, and nearly 6 million were in service.
There weren't 2 million Americans fighting in Korea, like fuck even combined with South Koreans, Brits and the ANZAC you don't get a number that high.
>>394068
There were more Americans fighting in Vietnam than in Korea.
>>394076
I didn't mention Korea. Don't assume you're talking to the same person all the time.
>>393847
anglos can't have healthy sexual relations
White man thinks life was better in the 1950s.
For everyone else, it was worse.
>>394792
Actually, everyone was generally happier.
>tha whyte man
And what not.
Niggers at least had a family and a culture worth of respect.
If you do bring back the 50s, you would sooner or later feel the brunt of another 60s.
>>391198
Very true
My dad was born in '48. He told me that if your dad brought home a paycheck and didn't beat your mom (kids were free game), he was father of the year.
>>391212
dumbest shit I've ever read here so far
good job
>>395220
The 60s were also awesome. Don't let ancient memes about parental fear of their rebellious children fool you. It's the 70s where everything started going down hill.
>>390738
>restriction of civil liberties in the name of combating communism
looking at modern society we could've used a lot more of that desu
>>395692
http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2012/02/27/a-glimpse-into-marriage-advice-from-the-1950s/
>>395717
>/blog/
>>395727
Everything there is sourced from contemporary writings
So to get the thread back on track from degenerate pinko derailing attempts, I'll post some 50s architecture, it was an interesting era for that.
>>395741
>/blog/
Used to paint a biased picture of the past.
The world is irrationally afraid of nuclear power.
>>395748
I don't dislike nuclear power but I likewise don't understand the rationale of nuclear zealots who see absolutely nothing wrong with it.
>>395756
What is wrong with nuclear power? It is the cleanest, most economical energy we have.
>>390651
>What made this decade the best in modern America?
propaganda and you not being there
>>395769
>commie pinkos this mad that they got BTFO
>everything is propaganda
>>395746
>opinions from sources as mainstream and well known such as the counselor at the American Institute of Family Relations isn't representative of the general line of thinking during that time period
Lol. Enjoy your rose tinted glasses and Madison Ave propaganda, bruh.
>>390813
>just turn off your brain
>>>/co/
>>395781
>/blog/
>everything is propaganda
Are you broken?
>>390938
I thought I was the only one on 4chan that knew about Them
>>395817
>It's a blog written by a body positivist and a fativist using sources about the time period to project her heavily biased opinion
It's a blog, not a fact. You're doing no better than a holocaust denier sourcing a blogspot.
>>395824
Storage of waste has already been made, and is fully funded staffed and built as a national repository in Yukka mountain.
Problem is Congo Obango shut it down in 2008 for Muh feels.
Nuclear waste can be easily reprocessed, or reused by new age reactors that need investment.
Also LFTRs and other MSRs or breeder reactors give alternative nuclear fuels with less waste.
The best part about the 50's is that these things were invented.
>>395775
>everything is propaganda
never said that but the era mentioned is so often romanticized because there was a shit tonne of propaganda being pushed not only on the "commie" side but also by the americans
>commie pinkos this mad that they got BTFO
if thats what you need to tell yourself
last but not least do you know why they call it the american dream :^)
>>395828
You're missing the bigger picture. The point is that kind of advice wasn't only widely circulated, it was considered acceptable. The people that pushed that line of thought were well known and very well publicized. The message of the article is beside the point entirely. It's impossible to get meaningful statistical data from that era (or even today) of domestic violence simply because of the private nature of the crime. But it's pretty believable that it was more common and in the open than it is today if you look carefully at the literature that pertained to the issue at the time.
Every decade has it's ups and downs. The only real arguments I see to why the fifties weren't the US's golden age is because of things that had existed in literally every single decade and century before it, but people act as if it was brand new in that time. Racism, War, Sexism and Disease existed in every time before and after the fifties. All of those were on the decline in that time in fact. Fears such as Communism and Nuclear annihilation were pretty well founded, as it was proven multiple soviet spies had infiltrated the US Gov. Compared to the following decades, with maybe the exception of the 80s and early 90s, the 50s were without a doubt America's highest point. Call it propaganda as much as you like, but people were generally happy for the most part.
>>395884
Still, stop using blogs for sources.
Every era has issues but you're accusing everything of being "propaganda" to the nth of samefagging, and then post complete and wholly biased blogs to support your views.
>>395892
This is a good post.
Also, remember that in 1950 the population of the nation was 90+% white. Those who didn't live in California, the South, or the major metropolitan cities would very rarely encounter people of another race. In that context, why would they care about issues of race, considering that the vast majority of the other 10% of the population was black. Why ould someone in the Dakotas or Nebraska care about segregation in the South when it literally had no effect on their lives? It seems ridiculous to demonize the entire decade and all the positives about it when the issues being brought up were a real concern for a tiny minority of US citizens.
>>395892
This desu, every decade has their own boogeyman and shit like that.
What actually makes the argument for the 50s being the best (for Americans anyway) is that we were on the upswing both domestically and internationally. We were gaining our footing as a serious world power after the death throes of all the Western European empires and colonial powers, and industry was booming here at home. The newly rejuvenated market stood in stark contrast with wartime rationing of resources combined with the Great Depression so it looked even better by comparison to the decade before. Almost none of it has anything to do with these petty social issues/norms people like to bring up about the decade, those are subjective in how good or bad they made the era.
The relatively unregulated pharmaceutical market allowing everyone to pop a pill for every occasion surely helped with general morale in the country, too.
>>391212
The process described in this post certainly happened, but only to such a minimal extent that it had no effect whatsoever on the gene pool. The Oregon trail, however... Ever notice how west coast whites are taller and stronger?
>>395800
Nigger, it's one of the most mainstream b-monster movies.
>>390651
>What made this decade the best in modern America?
Enjoying the profits made during WW2 and the decimation of any foreigncompetition to domestic industry.
The following decades saw the US's comeuppance.
>>396003
Nobody fucking talks about it whenever I post it on /tv/, they're too busy talking about their faggy Babadooks and whatnot.
>>393869
This. Ignorance is bliss.
>>393851
It is theorized that the only reason that American soldiers return from war with PTSD is that the war is controversial. In countries or time periods in which support for a war is unanimous, PTSD is almost unheard of. For instance, there were millions of veterans of WWII, but almost none of them acquired PTSD because the war was so popular. I think more than 95% of Americans supported the war effort entirely. There was practically no anti-war movement.
The Vietnam war was the first that was stopped in accordance with popular opinion, and it is no coincidence that the stereotype of the traumatized soldier comes from this era.
>>396412
Why do people hate the Babadook? Aside from the feminist themes qnd a dogshit ending it was a really well made movie.
>>390738
>restriction of civil liberties in the name of combating racism
>blatant political discrimination
>constant threat of environmental annihilation
>>396631
Yeah I always wondered why so many people equate PTSD to 'Nam vets
>>390738
>racial discrimination
Wasn't Jim Crow repelled in the 60s?
>>390948
They were pretty open about it too.
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Roger_Nash_Baldwin
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I believe in non-violent methods of struggle as most effective in the long run for building up successful working class power. Where they cannot be followed or where they are not even permitted by the ruling class, obviously only violent tactics remain. I champion civil liberty as the best of the non-violent means of building the power on which workers rule must be based. If I aid the reactionaries to get free speech now and then, if I go outside the class struggle to fight against censorship, it is only because those liberties help to create a more hospitable atmosphere for working class liberties. The class struggle is the central conflict of the world; all others are incidental.
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When that power of the working class is once achieved, as it has been only in the Soviet Union, I am for maintaining it by any means whatever. Dictatorship is the obvious means in a world of enemies at home and abroad. I dislike it in principle as dangerous to its own objects. But the Soviet Union has already created liberties far greater than exist elsewhere in the world. They are liberties that most closely affect the lives of the people — power in the trade unions, in peasant organizations, in the cultural life of nationalities, freedom of women in public and private life, and a tremendous development of education for adults and children.
>>395943
>derp if it's not affecting me, I shouldn't give a shit
>>396631
Vietnam War opposition was a Soviet psyop, I urge everyone to read the accounts of former KGB and GRU agents, this isn't some McCarthy tier paranoid conspiracy theory, there's actual people on record confirming it and actual records of it in the Soviet archives. They funded the protesters, published literature, organized protests, their agents infiltrated the academia and the media which rallied the students and the common folk. No shit you're gonna be traumatized if people in your own country spit on you on the street and call you a murderer.
Now I don't hate the Soviets for it, they did what they had to do and it was a tremendous success, defeating their enemy in their own backyard without firing a single bullet. I do, however, hate the retards raised by that generation who imply it was sort of genuine grassroots movement and people suddenly starteed hating the war for no reason while all of the previous wars had overwhelming popular support behind them.
>>396660
yet basically no one romanticizes the 2010s
>>396685
That's how our brains operate. Are you losing sleep because there are starving children in Bangladesh?
>>396685
Do you honestly care about the well-being of every human on the planet?
>>390738
Post world war two America was beginning to feel the benefits of becoming a superpower and we actually almost seemed to have a national culture for five minutes. TV and Radio were everywhere by then and the aesthetics they presented united Americans for the first time.
In the 70's, 80's and so on marketing gurus more or less completely replaced 50's culture. But it remains the "American" cultural era in a lot of respects.
So basically it happened at a pivotal time and was the first era where there was a kind of real national culture.
>>393772
Holy shit, this. Right now, we're witnessing the Wild West of the internet. A place where ideas can flourish anonymously without any sort of stigma attached to your true conscious self. A place with potential, not yet harnessed completely. Where opportunities thrive for those willing to embark on them. Truly, this is one of the last great frontiers left of mankind.
Unfortunately, this won't last. Like various other frontiers throughout history, once the internet becomes a way of life rather than a venture (as is already starting to happen), it'll be over for us. The government will have complete sovereign over the world wide web. When this will happen, I cannot say for sure. It could be argued that the seeds are planted, and once Web 2.0 hits the market, it will be the beginning of the end. I'll give it until the 2020s.
In the future, our grandchildren will look back at the past we took for granted. A past that we were too spoiled and whiny to appreciate. They'll remember us as the generation who pioneered the internet; from the 1990s up until presumably the 2020s. Our time in the limelight is ending. Our self-deprecating culture will not last forever.
>>397143
>Web 2.0
Shit, I meant Web 3.0. My bad.
>>397143
There are actually technical solutions in progress to prevent governments from ever doing that. Imagine completely decentralized replacements for DNS, SSL, and HTTP that are completely incapable of complying with a takedown order, and that are all designed to work well over Tor and I2P.
>>397143
"Facebook was a mistake"
- Mark Zuckerberg
>>397188
>>396631
PTSD was well documented amongst WW2 vets.
The reason the symptoms weren't so bad was because they had several months of being cooped up in a boat on the way back to America, whereas Vietnam vets were taken from Saigon and dropped off at LAX in 24 or less hours.
The average soldier in Vietnam faced a much higher amount of direct contact with the enemy compared to the WW2 soldier.
>the rise of soccer moms & right wing religious psychos trying to censor everything
It wouldve sucked ass to see the comic industry turn into over sanitized kiddie shit overnight, fuck the 50's
we werent even rid of that faggotry until the end of the century after the inherent idiocy of the pokemon moral panic set in.
>>397175
25 year rule.
By the way, the battle was lost around 1998, earlier if you believe in a crypto-supremacy argument.
>>397203
>PTSD was well documented amongst WW2 vets.
No it fucking wasn't. Combat fatigue was.
Fucking anachronistic shits
>>396968
>According to Stanislav Lunev, GRU alone spent more than $1 billion for the peace movements against Vietnam War, which was a "hugely successful campaign and well worth the cost". Lunev claimed that "the GRU and the KGB helped to fund just about every antiwar movement and organization in America and abroad".
>According to Oleg Kalugin, "the Soviet intelligence was really unparalleled. ... The KGB programs -- which would run all sorts of congresses, peace congresses, youth congresses, festivals, women's movements, trade union movements, campaigns against U.S. missiles in Europe, campaigns against neutron weapons, allegations that AIDS... was invented by the CIA... all sorts of forgeries and faked material -- [were] targeted at politicians, the academic community, at the public at large."
There were people like Angela Davis directly on Soviet payroll. The protests against US missiles in Western Europe were likewise funded by GRU, I mean this shit:
http://articles.latimes.com/1985-04-08/news/mn-18506_1_cruise-missiles
And honestly it doesn't matter whether they were socialists, communists, feminists, nationalists, nazis, fascists, trotskists or stalinists, the USSR / Eastern Bloc intelligence funded just about everyone. The key was destabilization of the US, not just "promoting communism." The same reason why the USSR sponsored nationalist movements in the middle east despite claiming to be internationalists.
>>397688
>According to Stanislav Lunev
That's nice, doesn't seem to be in a peer reviewed historical journal.
And you're posting journalistic "accordings" not historical "that is such that it was"es. Also the 1960s weren't part of the post-archival reveal which terminated in the 1950s IIRC.
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>And honestly it doesn't matter whether they were … trotskists
You are seriously saying this about the Soviet State.
Good one mate. Fucking good one. >>>/x/ (opcit)
>>397792
They could've been fucking nazis, niggers or Martians for all you care. The point was not "spreading communism." The point was "creating unrest in an enemy country." And they achieved just that.
Also, is this a good enough source for you?
http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB426/docs/15.Meeting%20of%20the%20Politburo-August%204,%201983.pdf
>>397823
Not at all. It is a 1983 source. We were discussing 1962-1968.
>>397631
PTSD is combat fatigue is shellshock.
>>390651
It wasn't. Like, at all. "Certain kinds of people" just have this idealized image of it from watching old 50s sitcoms whose whole point was to depict a perfect, idealized version of society.
Tbqh the 50s were only good if you hate minorities and women, and like anti-Communist witch hunts.
This thread is a microcosm of most of the things that make this board suck
>>397843
Nah mate nah, otherwise nostalgia is PTSD. And PTSD has a pretty fucking medicalised definition, whereas nostalgia in the civil war was a spiritual condition.
Anachronism up the fucken arse.
>>397871
So soldiers in WW2 didn't have PTSD?
>>397862
Specify
>>397854
>hate minorities
Desegregation started in '54 with Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka.
>hate women
Women were perfectly fine in the 50s, stop viewing history through your Stepford Suburbia feminist horseshit glasses.
>anti-Communist witch hunts
Not really a witch hunt if it actually has basis in reality. Witches don't actually exist, communist agents did.
>>397905
No. At the time the US medical service diagnosed symptoms later classed as PTSD as "combat fatigue." Patton famously disagreed with this diagnosis.
>>397910
>Desegregation started in '54 with Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka.
US Army "segregated" earlier, as did Navy IIRC
>>397914
You're being awfully pedantic.
Happy housewives
>>397928
Not at all. We may as well claim that nations existed well before 1789, that capitalism has always existed, that gender is transhistorical and that the internet has always existed.
Pedantry would be if I whipped you bloody with a birch for your failure to learn. I am merely demanding that you not be an anachronistic shit projecting your own ideology ontop of source texts that you seem singularly unwilling to read.
The difference between combat fatigue and PTSD is quite significant. Men with combat fatigue were expected to drink it off. Men with PTSD were eventually hospitalised or shunted onto the streets as mentally ill.
This isn't "lazy cunts parade" or >>>/int/. This is fucking >>>/his/ where a high level of discourse is expected.
>>397938
Oh christ its you isn't it.
Why'd you stop namefagging?
>>396664
Basically, because 'nam was the first time people openly discussed PTSD.
Loads and loads and loads of WWII veterans have it. But that giant pro-war agitation machine scrubbed that part clean. You never talked about your buddy who came home from Okinawa to blow his brains out 6 months later.
You certainly didn't talk about how 'the good fight' was to blame for that. They got swept under the rug.
It didn't help the the VA office's recommended treatment at the time was Lobotomization. So if you DID speak up about your problem, they stuck an ice pick in your brain.
>>397949
>Why'd you stop namefagging?
People didn't seem to enjoy it.
>>397952
>You never talked about your buddy who came home from Okinawa to blow his brains out 6 months later.
In part because Gay Blow Jobs were verboten.
~Groucho eyebrows~
>>390925
>The quality of a certain amusement park varies over time
At last, my eyes are open.
brb, burning my copy of The Communist Manifesto
>>390651
This album.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3rlcLNgszM
>>391181
>We emerged from ww2 as the only country that hadn't been completely wrecked.
wat are
Australia
Canada
Ireland
New Zealand
Portugal
Spain
Switzerland
Sweden,
yes! They are all countries that had not been completely wrecked in World War II.
>>398054
If we're going to be posting irrelevant shit:
>Ireland
Nah, Ireland was completely wrecked, before, during and and after WWII.
And the emergency certainly did the Irish State no favors.
>>394792
Youth employment for blacks in the US was higher back then, according to Thomas Sowell.
>>398059
There was nothing to wreck to begin with, thus they weren't wrecked by WWII.
Checkmate.
>>398099
Irish Failure knows no limits. Despite having nothing to wreck, and not being involved, Ireland was wrecked by WWII.
>>398054
And all those countries had tiny populations also
>spain
>portugal
>ireland
m8
>>391198
Ohhhhh shit, my granddad was an alcoholic for 30 + years after serving in WW2.
>>391164
people are still faking it
people will always fake it
>>391164
And greaser culture
50s greasers were incredibly cool
>>397854
>the 50s were only good if you hate women
I love for the entire length of human history, all across the globe, we've followed the same basic gender roles, but suddenly progressives decided it's all been a farce and we've only got it right in the last 50 years.
>>397834
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M8 the data is released much later than when it happened.
http://www.eisenhower.archives.gov/research/online_documents/civil_rights_eisenhower_administration/1956_10_Communist_Party_and_the_Negro.pdf
>>399729
Humans have followed the relatively same, basic, gender roles for man and women.
Men build things, protect civilization, bring home food or work on the farm all day.
Women raise the children, prepare food for storage, cook food, and take care of the house hold.
If needed while men where away they tended to some of their duties.
>>399742
This is true, but there are whole societies that existed largely while men were away all throughout history. Women have rose to the occasion without much fuss.
>>399787
Doesn't matter, it was the primary role of men to do one, or the other.
Usually it was the sons who took over if they were old enough to do it and young enough not to go to war.
>>393810
Most people think MASH is Vietnam anyways.
>>399969
You can't be serious,
>point out how the 50s weren't as great as ads make them out to be
>SHUT UP YOU COMMUNIST
>>400000
FUCK YOU
I WAS TRYING TO GET IT
>>400000
