Does /his/ think McCarthyism is repeating itself?
In regards to communism?
No
That depends, have you ever been or are currently a member of the Reddit party?
Not McCartyism, no.
Islamophobia is closest to anti-semitism.
Demagoguery has been around a long time and will be around for a lot longer friend.
No. Nothing is going on tbqfhf.
>>384097
Nope
It's just the pendulum swinging back to the right side of history
There has always been a form of witch hunts. And everyone is guilty of it, even me.
>>384103
Only because it never stopped. But the next Red scare is going to really kick in when the Dems pick Sanders for their candidate.
>>384883
>We are on the verge of fascist tyranny
>on the verge of
I'm... I'm sorry, anon.
>>384892
It'll never happen. Shillary as had the nomination in the bag for 8 years now. She was supposed to get it in 2008 but Obama was a dark horse that came out of nowhere.
>>384892
I wish. I think this country is just going to become socialist.
I wish their was some island full of edgy, capitalist cunts i could move too.
>>384892
Is this what college commies actually believe?
>>384904
>I think this country is just going to become socialist.
I wish.
>>384899
It's getting worse. Extremists are gaining strenght
I think we will see concentration camps for political opponents and minorities in the West in a few years
>>384904
Singapore.
>>384911
That Americans are brainwashed to hate anything that isn't 100% American Capitalism, or that Sanders is going to be the candidate?
We never got rid of the commies and now they infiltrated our school system and our media. McCarthy was right and we should've gone full Pinochet on those fuckers.
>>384930
Move to france, norway or netherlands or something anon. I personally hate socialism. Taxes are huge but you get "free school", unless you fail, so failing a semester of college in a socialist country = slave labor.
>>384973
>failing a semester of college in a socialist country = slave labor.
What the fuck?
Explain your reasoning
>>384097
Yeah
What do you think is happening on American campuses like mizzou and at BLM protests?
That's modern McCarthyism and its fucking hilarious to watch
>>384097
McCarthy was ugly as hell. I remember watching a video of him and he sounded super obnoxious too, like the type of guy I'd wanna punch in the face. What a cunt.
>>384892
Sanders already lost yo
Hillary has 45/46 superdelegates in her pocket
Are you that ignorant of the way Democrats pick their primary candidate?
Why do you Bernie has barely challenged her in the dem debates? It's cause he knows he lost and wants that sweet VP position
>>385001
as a lefty myself. your pretty much right.
>>384883
I dont see trump winning the election, La penn however could.
>>384973
It's not the fault of socialism or socialist that you're retarded. And, of course:
>France
>Socialist
>>384982
I have a friend in ireland that failed school and now he cant get back in and hes being sent to go learn how to clean toilets at some loser school.
The sad fact is that most of the world is shit no matter what ideology they have and many countries need peasants to live and die as anonymous asswipes to even stand.
>>385001
>What do you think is happening on American campuses like mizzou and at BLM protests?
If only it was real McCarthyism and you people got rounded up.
>>384973
>failing a semester of college in a socialist country = slave labor
>>385057
I mean people "resigning" from their jobs, people afraid to question things for fear of being labelled a commi.. I mean a bigot, the adminstration saying a candidate is unqualified, etc
That all sounds like McCarthyism to me
The only difference is that there isnt universal hatred across the nation its more like patches and such
>>384904
There are so many of these places, what are you talking about?
Hong Kong
Singapore
Macau
Dubai
Saudi Arabia
New York City, for the most part
>>384941
no, that there'll be a """witchhunt""" for c*mmies again.
literally no one gives a shit about a failed ideology, its the muslims and chinese that are the big bad now.
>>384097
You tell me.
Did McCarthy register and round up all citizens of a certain religion and put them in isolation camps?
was McCarthy a closet communist?
>>385237
>There are so many of these places,
>literally a few island nations
4chan is infested with Redditors. I have here in my hand a list of 205 - a list of names that were made known to Hiroyuki Nishimura as being members of Reddit and who nevertheless are still lurking and posting on 4chan.
>>385053
>I have a friend in ireland that failed school and now he cant get back in and hes being sent to go learn how to clean toilets at some loser school.
This only proves that failing school in a capitalist country gets your ass sent to do slave labour, since Ireland is arguably the most right-winged country in the EU if you look at their economic policies.
> Neo-liberal economic, political, and social values have dominated in Ireland since the very start of the 1980s.
http://theirelandinstitute.com/citizen/c02-oconnor-tiger-page.html
>>387273
He explicitly asked for islands
>>384930
Noice
>>384097
No.
But the left wing use McCarthyism as an argument to say they are being persecuted everytime they are BTFO.
You can barely say something bad about communism without a butthurt lefty saying you should drop the "boogeyman"
>>385237
Those are all shitty places to live in by the way. Those places all suffer from extreme class stratification, where you have the rich and everyone else.
>>387275
>I have here in my hand a list of 205 - a list of names that were made known to Hiroyuki Nishimura as being members of Reddit and who nevertheless are still lurking and posting on 4chan.
Lmao
>>384097
I wish.
>>384973
>unless you fail, so failing a semester of college in a socialist country = slave labor.
>>387298
>Neo-liberal economic, political, and social values
>most right wing in Europe
Top kek.
>>388054
Anon... I hate to break it you but neo-liberalism is right-wing
>>385001
What are you referring to?
I'm not American desu.
>>384938
>I think we will see concentration camps for political opponents and minorities in the West in a few years
>>384097
The closest thing is the progressive witch hunt against anyone deemed racist/sexist/whatever
but thats not the govenment, thats people doing it themselves.
>>384883
>groups of Muslims saying they want to kill westerners
>Some politicians saying we should be suspicious of muslims is "scary" and a sign of fascism
are you having a laugh m8?
>>388059
>>387298
>using the terms "left" and "right" created in the 17th century to explain complex modern politics.
>>384883
>everything I don't like is fascist
>any opposition to immigration is racist
And so on.
>>384930
Senator McCarthy we found another.
>>388102
>>388109
Literally did nothing wrong.
You can't hoe the joe.
>>384097
Did he ever actually find any commie spys or something?
>>388102
>don't use these useful terms because I can deconstruct them!
>>388114
>I AM LOUD AND OBNOXIOUS, I OBVIOUSLY AM STUPID AND OPPOSE REASON. I AM THE ONE WHO IS ARGUING AGAINTS THE AUTHORS OPINIONS
>I am calm clear and collected, I state my "points" articulatly. I am right
And they call it the age of "enlightenment".
>>388125
>useful
>>388102
As long as it gets the point across I see no problem to use dumbed down terms.
>All these reactionaries and facists
>>388139
I called senator McCarthy once already, Do I really have to do it again?
>>388127
Convince me that they are not.
>>388139
>everyone I dislike is a fascist
>but am a fascist myself
>people can't be reactionaries
I will eat your fucking children.
>>388137
Because it doesn't get "the point" across. It straw man's people into groups they don't associate with.
>>388105
Clearly putting a national registry or spying on mosques isn't fascist in the slightest.
>>388148
Sure they are useful for those who wish to feel good about cornering people into groups they don't associate with.
Useful for people who wish to misrepresent modern complex political processes.
>Yes we can
>Change
>forward
And so on.
>>388151
It isnt.
It's actually completely legal to do those things to gimmigrants.
>>388155
>implying that the question of whether the ruling classes should be an inclusive or an exclusive group hasn't been a divisive one for hundreds of years
>implying the same of the question of human equality
>implying you need to be a shitspewing opportunistic liberal to believe in the Left/Right dichotomy
>>388150
>COMMUNISM = FACISM GUISE
>HORSESHOE THEORY IS TOTALLY RIGHT
>>388176
>implying there is such a thing as "man"
>implying there is such a thing as "equality"
>implying right to rule isn't inherited
>>388180
>Stalin is communist
>Except when he isn't
>stalin isn't a fascist
Get fucked scrubed
>>388180
I'd say it's pretty accurate. A dictator is a dictator, no matter what label he adopts.
>>388187
>implying I'm not also a reactionary monarchist cishet
>implying a high minded approach to politics necessitates the abandonment of the concepts of Left and Right
>implying even people like pic related didn't hold to those concepts
>>388193
Alright.
You got me loling.
I started pic related last week, bretty good
>>388064
Get crackin'?
Or 'in a nutshell'?
Help me understand anon.
>>388207
Pistachio
>>388188
>gets nazi dubs
>calls others facist
Nice try hitler
>>388204
Nice one m8. Check out pic related once you have the time. He gets very lolbertarian but it's a cathartic read nonetheless.
>>388224
That was the first book I read.
Wonderful collection of essays.
I'm glad I read it or I would be a neo-nazi shithead like my brother.
I enjoy telling people I will eat their children. Makes me lol.
>>388064
picture the nuts have mouths and they are laughing
that's the joke
[spoiler]bazinga[/spoiler]
>>388180
I fucking wish the bolsheviks had failed and some non-totalitarian country was the first to try communism
>>388151
>spying on people is fascist
People who use fascist for "things i dont like" are fucking annoying
>>384097
Yes, but from the other side of the political coin. We are living through the Bizarro-sixties.
>>388151
By that logic Obama is an even bigger fascist
>>388384
Won't happen. Socialism is inherently totalitarian. All constructed social orders are.
>>384097
Left wing version of it, but yes.
>>388387
Well let's be real here. Trump is definitely right-wing, definitely nationalistic, and definitely authoritarian. That checks all the boxes.
I wouldn't call him a fascist outright, but he's for sure some kind of proto-fascist.
>>388470
yeah, and Obama is a communist. Stop with this fucking retarded bullshit.
>>388470
>patriotism is the same thing as nationalism
>protectionist is the same thing as authoritarian
>everyone I don't like is some species of Fascist
Accurately define 'Fascist' for me in a sentence without googling it.
>>388486
I would say protectionism is an important part of fascism (though not only fascism), and I would call Trump more nationalistic than patriotic considering he doesn't talk about values, but rather "national interests."
Overall I guess I'd define Fascist as someone who would use draconian methods to enforce or promote national identity above all else.
>>387466
Why did you respond with pictures of Detroit?
>>384883
How would you describe fascist ideology? How does it differeniate from socialism, capitalism, commnism and anarchy?
>>387275
I'm an ex-redditor but i converted to 4chanism 1 year ago. This is now my main site with /his/ my main board. Am I allowed to stay?
>>388632
>pleading for acceptance from anonymous faggots
go and stay go
>>388632
No, fuck off, you weak conformist bitch
At least stand by what you believe is right
>>384883
>Fascist tyranny
Holy fuck my sides, is this /leftypol/?
France must be saved, the western world is dying and nobody lifts a finger, Le Pen is our only hope.
Trump is a bit of an idiot but he means well and luckily Americans are voting for him because it shows that they're fed up with this bullshit and want things to go back to the way they were.
Besides right winged ideology is just gainig a foothold again as a reactionary movement against marxist views which have been in the overton window for quite some time now, there's nothing for you to be scared of because you lefties will have all the time in the world to ruin our civilizations.
>All these triggered leftists wringing their hands and bleating in shock that people have different opinions from them.
Aren't the masses ghastly? They vote for such frightful people!
>>388709
>People who disagree with my culturally conditioned values want to destroy civilization!!!1!!
>>388752
Democracy is over desu
![cocker_spaniel[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/wgscdF5.jpg "cocker_spaniel[1].jpg")
>>388780
>Democracy is over
>>388780
>democracy is over because people I don't like are popular
oh noooooooo
>>388769
>any politician slightly right of the media approved centre-leftist position is literally Hitler
>>388709
> the western world is dying
source or at least explanation?
>inb4 appeal to common sense
>inb4 ad homs
>>388857
>m-muh fallacies
Why are leftists such cowards when it comes to argument?
>>388857
nice greening bro
>>388769
>human nature doesn't exist!
>>388835
Cabablitiy > Popularity
Democracy enables sociopaths to seek power.
>>388901
So does every other system. Democracy enables you to stop a sociopath getting into power or get rid of a sociopath in power without having to kill hundreds of people
Gommunists are morally decent people, who happened to espouse essential liberal values (liberty, rationality) under a different political framework. Communism can best be thought of as both an incisive critique and evolution of liberalism.
Islam, as its predominantly practiced, is essential anti-liberal and diametrically opposed to modern Western values. 'Islamophobia' is like 'fascophobia'. Not in that fascism is similar to Islam, but both happen to be starkly anti-liberal. I do not believe Arabs are morally lesser or subhumans, nor do I believe Islam is essentially evil, but its current majority practice happens to be hyper-conservative and political Islam is inextricably bound to religious Islam (in general, not in all cultures). This has some substantive consequences.
>>388769
No they dont want to destroy civilization, they are.
>>388857
Empires and nations always go through the same steps before completely falling apart for over 4000 years already, you should know this browsing /his/ and all.
Weakening of religion, levity, welfare state, influx in foreigners.
>>388926
What do you expect to happen, exactly?
>>388907
... no, it enables the most manipulative people to swoon the public on the stage of mass media.
It enables the most complex sociopaths to get into public positions.
Monarchy allows many different things, a bred to rule king, chosen by God, and so on.
>>388924
>communists
>Liberty
>rationality
Wew lad
![still-of-laurence-olivier-in-richard-iii[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/fgRMehW.jpg "still-of-laurence-olivier-in-richard-iii[1].jpg")
>>388934
>no, it enables the most manipulative people to swoon the public on the stage of mass media.
>It enables the most complex sociopaths to get into public positions.
So does every other political system. With a democracy you have to trick the mass of people, and thus it is harder than a monarchy where you only have to trick a few.
>>388935
Monarchs don't have to trick anyone. They simply succeed. They aren't inherently manipulative people, unlike democratically elected leaders.
![cocker-spaniel-breeders-submit-1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/OXy5D0f.jpg "cocker-spaniel-breeders-submit-1[1].jpg")
>>388937
>Monarchs don't have to trick anyone.
And how do we decide who succeeds?
Maybe I think my claim is better than yours.
Are you memeing or just the dumbest motherfucker alive?
>>388942
Under a cognatic primogeniture system of inheritance the first son will always succeed. Real life isn't Game of Thrones.
![1438046461505[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/ZHVeydS.png "1438046461505[1].png")
>>388944
>the first son will always succeed.
No problem there. That's so simple. Under this system there could never be any disputes or conflicts. Never.
>>388949
Historically speaking, the amount of disputes and conflicts over that has actually been very low. But of course, you know this because you've read around a lot and you aren't being facetious because you lack any other argument.
>>388950
Low compared to what? Compared to the handover of democratic governments?
Medieval Europe was constantly at war over this shit. Kings dying with no sons, kings dying before their sons came of age. It's a shitty system.
>>388954
>medieval Europe was Game of Thrones
>>/reddit/
>>388935
>It's harder to trick masses of people
This nigga.
The vast masses of unedcated peasants are the most easy to manipulate, because if you drive support into a very vocal group, it spreads like wild fire without any real evaluation.
I can't believe you can think that in <the current year> that a politically educated voting class (allowed freedom to vote) is easy to manipulate.
With a monarchy there is nobody to trick. It is predetermined by God.
>>388942
Monarchs are determined by God (mainly inheritance) but there is the divine right theory.
The ligitmatly is determined by how Godly or Noble the monarch is. Fail ligitmatly and you have a rebellion, forcing you to conform.
Surprisingly EUIV teaches the basics of the fuedal/monarchist system.
>>388956
>The Anarchy was a civil war in England and Normandy between 1135 and 1154, which resulted in a widespread breakdown in law and order. The conflict began with a succession crisis towards the end of the reign of Henry I, when the king's only legitimate son, William Adelin, died aboard the White Ship in 1120
>The Civil War Era in Norway ( borgerkrigstiden) is a term used for the period in the history of Norway between 1130-1240. During this time a series of civil wars were fought between rival kings and pretenders to the throne. The reasons for the wars is one of the most debated topics in Norwegian medieval history. The goal of the warring parties was always to put their man on the throne, starting with the death of King Sigurd the Crusader in 1130
>The War of the Succession of Champagne was a war from 1216 to 1222 between the nobles of the Champagne region of France, occurring within that region and also spilling over into neighboring duchies. The war lasted two years and de facto ended in 1218, but did not officially end until Theobald IV reached the age of majority in 1222, at which point his rivals abandoned their claims.
>The War of the Limburg Succession, was a series of conflicts between 1283 and 1289 for the succession in the Duchy of Limburg.
>The German–Polish War which took place from 1002 to 1018 consisted of a series of struggles between the Ottonian king Henry II of Germany (Holy Roman Emperor from 1014) and the Polish Piast ruler Bolesław I Chrobry. The circumstances changed significantly, when in January 1002 Emperor Otto III suddenly died at the age of 21, leaving no heirs nor any succession arrangements.
Do I really have to keep listing examples to you?
>>388964
I would assert that small regional conflicts over the period of history addressing the issue of legitimacy of the thrown is nothing compared to modern warfare that has been created by a "democratic" peoples hell bent on spreading it to the entirety of the world.
>>388972
The scale of conflicts in the modern era has nothing to do with the types of governance employed by the warring nations and everything to do with unprecedented leaps in military technology.
Almost of the nations involved in WWI were monarchies at the time, and it was arguably the worst war of the modern era.
>>389025
>Almost of the nations
Almost all*
The only exception being the U.S.
>>389025
>"democracy" hasn't been waging a global economic and physical war for the sake of "democracy"
Kek.
It's all technologies fault, democracy DIDNU. Nuffin.
>>389039
Yes.
Would you like to dispute the fact that most nations involved in WW1 were monarchies?
>>384883
are you fucking serious right now?
>wanting people who behead women for not wearing a burka or for daring to be raped
>wanting people who murder dogs
>wanting sharia law
>wanting people who will never share western values
fuck off cunt, I don't want these people in my country
>>389047
>France
>Britain (it was basically 100% democratic)
>america
>Italy (same as britain)
Yeah there were totally almost no democracies involved
>>389066
>actually believing the rhetoric
People like you are why democracy falls apart
>>384097
If by McCathyism you mean a few populists over reacting to rapid cultural changes and a wave of political correctness then yes.
>>389072
Still monarchies.
>>389108
>"""""""monarchies""""""""
Limited heavily by that time.
Since the wretched French Revolution they no longer had proper Godly power
>>389108
If Britain went to war today would you call it a monarchy or a democracy
>>389083
>rhetoric
typical liberal who knows nothing of the middle east and what our so called "allies" do to their own people
>>389122
Not him, but it's both
>>389108
Not to mention the root causes of WWI lie within the byzantine tangle of family issues within the inbreeding extended family that was the European monarchies.
>>389123
Are you referring to the hideous human rights abuses by the saudis?
Where did all these lefties come from? Is this one of those ways /pol/ b8s discussion into their direction?
>>388709
>marxist views which have been in the overton window
Name one modern state governed by a Marxist party. Name one in which there is a widely popular Marxist political party.
inb4
>cultural Marxism
>>389162
>he is not disturbed by the rising far-right
Heil Hitler
>>389148
>human
>""""""rights"''''''''''''
>>384883
Le Pen is alright. Europe needs a nationalist reawakening. If they don't have one, Europe and its history will be doomed.
As for Trump, he's trying to screw over Americans like all the the other politicians.
>>389162
Discussions about communism and socialism are like lefty drugs.
>>389172
>people must be explicitly and openly marxist to be heavily influenced by the marxist doctrine and support it
And yes, cultural marxism/Bolshivism is a thing.
>>389172
Venezuela.
>>385237
>Saudi Arabia
>"hey Medina, let's go see that new Star Wars movie with the kaffir in it!"
>"I don't know Ahmed, you know how my parents are..."
>"Just tell them you're going to see your cousins!"
>"Ugh, fine..."
>2 days later the couple is beheaded for, you guessed it, seeing a movie together
>>384901
No way, people hate Hillary now m8, Sanders is legitimately the only dem in the running
>>389201
>cultural marxism
is not a thing.
Marxism expounds materialist interpretation of history and society.
Culture is superstructure, it emerges from how we relate to the means of production. No honest Marxist would discount materialism, or gloss over the root causality when discussing culture.
If somebody can be a 'cultural marxist', then why can't I be a progressive traditionalist? Or a nationalist anarchist?
>>389216
I meant modernized*
>>389241
>new terms cannot be invented to describe modern process
It is a thing. It has been even since marxism itself was created.
In the 1930s cultural Bolshivism was the talk, now it's marxism.
>>389188
Everybody is a potential enemy. Singling out a whole religious group is undemocratic and unconstitutional.
>>389241
>gives example
>B-but I didn't mean that one!
>>384097
Honestly I always wanted to be a part of a political witchhunt.
Commie, Fascist, Left, Right doesn't matter.
>>389259
>singling out a whole religious group is undemocratic
Quite the opposite, it is fully democratic.
>and unconstitutional
No it isnt. There is no inhibiting of their free exercise of religion.
>>389259
This. The whole thing is fucking stupid and people only support it because people can't see beyond their own ethnocentrism
>>389259
lol no it isn't you fucking faggot
we did it to the japs
we did it to Iran
why can't we do it to the entire ME?
also
they don't hold western values, they do not belong here, I don't want people ok with sharia law being my neighbors
>>389273
and by japs I mean we barred travel, not the fucking internment camps, before you open you mouth
>>389261
I don't consider Venezuela as being within the cultural sphere of modernized society.
This mostly encapsulates very high standards of living, high GDP Western and some East Asian nations.
If you want to prance around over my typo, or failure to iterate my thoughts correctly, then feel free to. You just didn't address my point in actuality, which was a mistake on my part.
>>389269
>not wanting to be a minority in your own country is ethnocentrism
yeah nah fuck off
>>389281
American culture is multiculturalism. Hate it or love it. Its a part of American Identity.
>>389286
>I don't consider Venezuela as being within the cultural sphere of modernized society.
Yeah, they only export the most oil in the world. So uncivilized.
>>389298
Wait, you can't tell me that you seriously believe Muslims have any chance of becoming the majority in America do you?
>>389304
Russia and UAE have a decent oil industry, yet they aren't really beacons of high culture and modernity, are they?
>>389309
not in america, but Europe is in quite a predicament now aren't they?
>moving over 1000 Muslims into a town with only 100 residents in Germany
if you don't see why this is an issue i pity you
>ctrl+f
>boogeyman words
>no matches found
>except for one use of the actual word boogeyman
Thank you based /his/
>>389330
the fuck is a boogeyman word?
jew?
>>389324
We're talking about America unless I am mistaken though. You can't just act like Europe's problems are the same as America's.
>>389309
If there is at all the potential, it is not worth the risk.
I don't believe in any immigration of sorts myself.
This doesn't only include America, but ALL of the western world.
>>389300
American culture has been turned into "multi-culturalism", but is heavily segregated.
The US is multi-ethnic faggot.
>>389313
They are both modern. Modern shitholes, but still, modern.
>>389342
We need immigration to help the economy. Literally any economist will tell you this. Check IGM panel polls to show how much of a consensus there is on this.
>>389359
>we need immigration to help the economy
So instead of becoming self sufficient, we become dependent on cheap foreign labour, and destroy all opportunities for low class and teenaged citizens to get work.
Good job.
I don't give a shit about an "economists" opinion. He is there to make money, not to make a nation work.
>>389373
Actually America is underpopulated. We are massively below our population growth targets. I can't imagine anyone who knows anything about economics in any major school saying this.
>>389377
"I don't give a shit about a "scientists" position, he is there to make money, not make a nation work.
Self-sufficient populations have massive problems with division and diversification of labor. Leading to social stratification.
>>389384
>instead of promoting child birth to the educated and substantiated population
>let's import tons of third worlders to support us
Kek.
>>389384
>315 million people
>3rd most populated country on the planet
>underpopulated
holy fuck are you high? We already have issues with young people not being able to find work and a struggling middle class
we don't need more cheap foreign labor
your professor is a grade A retard
>>389402
Ok, lets promote childbirth! How do we do this? Due to the urbanization, societies naturally have lower childbirth. This is universal. You can't just say "make babies" and it actually be true.
>>389396
>False eqivolence
Scientists have a process, economists are simplistic and even at times completely dogmatic.
They search for the cheapest solutions, not the best ones.
>>389406
We could solve some problems by reembracing the traditional American life style, strong nuclear family. But "feminists" won't let it happen.
>>389406
We have issues because of American Protectionalism. Again, a focus on self-sufficiency leads to low division of labor and more competition for specific jobs. Its actually the opposite.
There are many papers written about the non-intuitiveness of this.
>>389254
>In the 1930s cultural Bolshivism was the talk
That's proud Aryan nation terminology, and it has a totally different application than cultural marxism.
Cultural bolshevism is a critique of the art and culture that emerges from 'degenerate' communist ideology.
Cultural Marxism is a purported application of Marxist social and moral values to culture, which really doesn't make any sense, as Marxism is strictly and economic philosophy. It isn't intrinsically humanist, utilitarian, anti-Western, or whatever else. Marx asserts capitalism is systematically contradictory in a brute logical sense, thus will ultimately collapse, then giving rise to a post-capitalist form of economic organization (communism). There's a reason why it is always called a 'materialist' ideology.
Marx did have personal musings on morality, the justness of capitalism, and so on, but there is no moral or cultural doctrine to Marxism beyond a rejection of private property and the class structure.
I'm not a Marxist, nor am I terribly well read on the topic, but /pol/ is so egregiously wrong on what they think Marxism actually is. 'Cultural Marxism' is simply contradictory, laughably so.
>>389411
>what is subsidizing birth
>what is endorsing traditional American values and the nuclear family
>mfw you want to be replaced by shit skins because an economist said so
>>389425
>it would collapse
And he was wrong.
Regardless, both are complete subversive and should be abolished.
>>389416
>>389416
>Scientists have a process, economists are simplistic and even at times completely dogmatic.
>They search for the cheapest solutions, not the best ones.
I'm not sure where you get this. I'm talking about macroeconomics and econometrics. I don't see ANY that search for the cheapest. Where are you getting this? Can you name one? What school?
Most are about long term things. I've never seen a macroeconomist ever act like you are saying they act like. Not one.
>>389416
>We could solve some problems by reembracing the traditional American life style, strong nuclear family. But "feminists" won't let it happen.
this is true, this would help our fucking divorce rate and all that court nonsense, that alone would clear up alot of money
>>389421
america is already fairly self sufficient, we don't really need anyone else, granted life would be harder but we would survive with our heads high
>>389432
>kensyianism
>not simplistic
>Chicago school
>not just keynsian lite.
>>389426
The nuclear family is here, we already subsidize birth.
How has the nuclear family left? We are sticking together more. Divorce rates are dropping rapidly over the last 20 years. People eat at the table more. People rate as closer to their parents than ever before. People aren't leaving the homes until later.
What is not nuclear?
>>389448
>divorce rates are dropping
source please, I really want this to be true
>>389426
We already subsidize birth, and people complain about it because poor minorities have eight kids to take advantage of it.
>>389443
Ok, keynesian is not simplistic, if anything its criticized as overly complicated.
The chicago school isn't really. Its a mixture of neoclassical and keynesian if anything.
>>389455
http://www.randalolson.com/2015/06/15/144-years-of-marriage-and-divorce-in-1-chart/
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/marriage_divorce_tables.htm
>>389448
>divorce rates are dropping
>the nuclear family is here
70% of black children are raised with a single mother, on welfare.
>>389468
>divorce rates dropping
>economics is overly simplistic because the only economics i comprehend are the simplistic economic explanations
>>389479
People are waiting longer to get married. This makes sense because they are sticking with their parent's longer.
When you aren't rushing marriages, then divorce rates likely will fall.
>>389482
Its a problem. I don't know about their numbers over time. But it isn't indicative of non-black households in the US.
>>389501
I'm not gonna say we should just listen to the economists, because they conflict on many areas and also prioritize different things based on school, but there are parts where there is consensus that we should work with imo.
>>389538
Consensus isn't how any sciences work, and economics is analysis and prediction.
I oppose all immigration because it changes the demographics of the nation.
If they come here to work, and leave when they leave, sure. Other than that, no.
>>384097
I hope so, McCarthy was right.
>>384883
>Trump's rhetoric and Le Pen's rise are quite scary tbf
Not to me senpai.
>muh people disagreeing with my opinions is fascist and tyrannical
>>389582
It sorta is, consensus is based on peer review. Just like in science.
I guess I care more about this than demographics.
>>389431
Wrong so far.
But I have a strong feeling that his ideas will become more relevant in the coming decades as developments in automation technology will make human workers increasingly obsolete. We'll either have to institute systems for wealth redistribution or face societal collapse.
>>388769
>Historicism
Not even once.
The islamophiles have been seriously triggered by the Donald it seems. I'm one of the guys that didn't care and registered after seeing how far Trump will get us out of this mess of feel-good bleeding hearth madness.
>>389594
This.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cedric_Belfrage
>At the height of McCarthyism, Belfrage was summoned in 1953 to appear before the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC).
>In 1995, the decrypted VENONA intercepts—a project between the US and British intelligence services to decipher Soviet wires — were made public. United States intelligence has alleged that Unnamed Codename Number 9 (UNC/9) was Belfrage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Karr
>In 1950, Senator Joseph McCarthy referred to Karr as Drew Pearson’s “KGB controller”.
>After the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1992, in the new atmosphere of openness, Soviet investigative journalist Albats published an article in Izvestia quoting documents from KGB archives that Karr was “a competent KGB source” who ‘‘submitted information to the KGB on the technical capabilities of the United States and other capitalist countries.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Coe
>Called before the HUAC (chaired by Congressman Karl Mundt), Coe denied under oath having ever been a member of the CPUSA.
>A recent investigation into the KGB archives claims that files show Coe to have been a Soviet agent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauchlin_Currie
>the United States refused to renew his passport in 1954 due to the McCarthyism atmosphere in Washington, DC.
>He appears in the VENONA cables under the cover name 'PAGE', and in Soviet intelligence archives as 'VIM' and as a source for the Golos and Bentley spy networks.
Now that's curious.
>From 1943 to 1944, Currie ran the Foreign Economic Administration where he played a major role in recruiting or recommending economists and others throughout the Washington administration. Prominent examples are John Kenneth Galbraith, Richard Gilbert, Adlai Stevenson, and William O'Dwyer.
We have a Soviet agent recruiting people who would later become part of the United States liberal establishment.
Funny.
>>389582
>wanting perpetual foreigners and people stealing jobs and sending american money to other countries
The only good immigrant is a hardworking immigrant that is here to stay and assimilate.
>>389652
>tfw when the revolution is coming and your enemies will be the first against the wall
No. And the reason I say this is because we are having this discussion in the first place, which means we at least know our mistakes prior.
Besides, what percentage of those who claim to support Trump do you think are actually serious?
>>389582
>Consensus isn't how any sciences work
In the end it's exactly how it works. It's the basis for peer-reviewed articles and books being the only kind of papers accepted to cite as sources when you're studying at a university level.
>>389690
Immigration actually creates jobs because of unique demand pushed into a system. This helps with diversification of labor.
>>389711
Enjoy that Trump presidency, bud. If there's another terrorist attack on US or even EU soil before election day, and there almost certainly will be since we've changed nothing since the last attacks (except a visa program change limping through), Trump is pretty much guaranteed.
>>389693
>tfw the revolution comes and the reactionaries get sent to gulag
>>389711
near 100
He gets legitimate support.
Sure there are many trolls, but there are millions of sincere people.
>>389726
Trump won't win. He won't even win the nomination (I've got my money on Rubio). I can't imagine he'd get enough minorities to vote for him to win.
>>389689
I'm still amazed by people demonizing the "red scare" and MacCarthy in particular.
They were actually right.
The "scare" was very mild compared to what we are now accustomed with, for instance, anti nationalist and anti-fascist scare and propaganda or any group unilaterally demonized in the mass media.
The methods used were not only legal but orders of magnitude below what we are experiencing with Obama and Bush. Even roman legislators wouldn't have found them at fault for their actions.
>>389767
Keep the dream alive, but I don't think you're correct. I think fear of ISIS will triumph over all else and Trump knows that. As for the minority vote, plenty working class minorities will vote for him because he promises to bring jobs. They don't care about illegals or Muslims. The polling numbers have pretty consistently but Trump out front to the point where it's a news story if Ted Cruz polls ahead of him in a few states.
>>389767
He polls first among Republican "minorities", and the same electorate is the most probable to be galvanized by Trump.
>>389793
Yes, but I'm talking about independents. I know he polls well with registered republican minorities, but not with conservative independent minorities. And he is far behind hillary and even sanders in head to head polls while most republican candidates are winning.
>>388944
ck2 is such a good game
>>389767
>Rubio
He's legit, but seriously though Trumps numbers are fucking huge and he hasn't even put any money in yet.
I can see him winning all the primaries and still not getting the nomination because it's essentially a brokered system, but if that happens I have no doubt he will form his own political party on a populist platform that takes ideas from both the Democrats and Republicans and change US politics for the next decade at least.
>>384904
It's called Anerica asshole, and you already live there.
>>389807
Nope, he surpasses Hillary in some polls after speaking his mind on muslim migrations.
And I was talking about independents too in about " the same electorate is the most probable to be galvanized by Trump" but my sentence was awfully made.
>>388573
Underrated post.
>>389816
His numbers are not really that big
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-gop-primary
He's only between 35 and 40 percent of republican support. Its not unheard of at all.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_rubio_vs_clinton-3767.html
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_carson_vs_clinton-5119.html
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_cruz_vs_clinton-4034.html
Rubio is the only candidate right now that is beating clinton in head to head polling.
>>389735
>implying these limp-wristed faggots have the balls for a revolution
>>389767
>tfw both Shillary and Trump mocked the concept of free speech in their arguments to end absolute encryption of major tech services
>tfw one of them will still be President
It's going to be fun having a major election where I can go in with a red flag item like "Mocks the concept of free speech in order to bring about more government data collection" and the candidate from both of the major parties will have failed.
>>389835
Link to polls? I can't find any that show a difference since he said. He's down in every poll I am looking at.
>>388861
>get called out for making shit arguments
>keep making shit arguments
>>384097
In regards to cultural marxism, yes,
People are beginning to wake up because exactly as Henry Ford deduced.. The evidence and the influence is everywhere and the societal reality speaks for itself its really only a question of the people beginning to discover "Who, what, when, where, why and how"
>>389855
Again, he hasn't even started spending yet. Keep in mind also that he has a 14-20 point lead over the second highest guy in a field of FOURTEEN.
The size of this field is unheard of, and that's why his lead is so staggering.
>>389781
We live in a world where anti-racist McCarthyism won.
Imagine a FIFA World Cup game with a "Say No to Socialism" banner being displayed at the beginning, that's what it would look like if McCarthy actually succeded, the way his enemies did.
>>389123
do they cut peoples heads off when they come to america? cause golly gee i sure havent seen any examples of that
two of them shot up a place but at this point thats just an american tradition
>>389880
I can't imagine he would change position much when he starts spending. He's getting free press. There was a thing I saw a while ago that showed all major news outlets cover Trump as much as the entire rest of the republican field. CNN had over 70% trump.
>>389860
these limp wristed faggots wont be the ones fighting the revolution
>>389425
Your whole tirade was basically irrelevant semantics. Congratulations.
When Stormfags use Cultural Marxism they mean the combined efforts of sociologists with solid communist foundations or sociologists who seek to pursue and impose left ideology through sociology. They also mean the PC culture derived from these. They don't mean Marx personally, but you probably knew that.
Secondly, postcolonialists, identity politics, and a wide range of social theorists EXPLICITLY target things like Whiteness, Westernhood, the Nationstate, the Nuclear Family, Tradition and what else Stormfags treasure.
>>389921
>implying it isnt Jamal and Cletus that are the "Revolutionaries" rather than cushy middle class faggots like you
>>390029
Have you worked in academics yourself?
>>389988
>Secondly, postcolonialists, identity politics, and a wide range of social theorists EXPLICITLY target things like Whiteness, Westernhood, the Nationstate, the Nuclear Family, Tradition and what else Stormfags treasure.
Marxists analyze these things under the presumption that they are manifestations of class (in a more micro and fine sense). They are taken as symptoms and epiphenomena of capitalism.
Non-Marxist leftists often gravitate towards social justice, thus stress fairness in itself and social dues. They might borrow Marxist criticisms of capitalism, in that they usually see capitalism as undermining their moral virtues, but they certainly are not Marxists. The foundations for their beliefs are wholly different.
Tim Wise is not a Marxist, and his politics and Marxist theory cannot be reconciled. Identity politics does not have Marxist foundations, it's mostly borne out of the centre-left notion of social justice, which much of the far left later adopted.
>>388151
so communists are fascists?
>>388614
14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
>>390379
5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
>>384097
McCarthy was right and did nothing wrong, so no
>>390383
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
>>388151
its not
is netanyahu a fascist?
>>390383
>rampant sexism
nazi's were anything but sexist
>>390379
>>390383
>>390386
Wow, just awful. The bits of this that actually happen to be accurate are besides the point, as they lack any cohesive relevance.
Fascism is essentially an ideology of total war and collective perfectionism.
Conceptualizing it in that hostile and splintered way sort of suggests that it was never an actual ideology, but some Pol Pot-esque tyranny. This really isn't the case (especially regarding Italian fascism). I'm not trying to play the apologetics game or anything, fascism was very bad, but it was a substantive bad.
>>390418
I've honestly never heard of, say, a female nazi general but who knows. What females holding powerful positions could one find in nazi germany?
>>384097
you seem to think this would be a bad thing
McCarthy was right about everything, too bad he was ostracized before he could nip american commies in the bud. look at how america is turning out now
>>390514
>if women aren't in power it's sexism
Tumblr please go. Respecting and empowering women's natural virtues and their importance in keeping society moving isn't sexism.
