Why are the former lands of Selucids and are descendants of Selucid Greeks now Muslim?
as a hella-boo this really seems odd when you think about it
>>383953
Because the actual Hellenic population of the Selucid empire was tiny? They ruled over a huge number of different peoples, and surprise surprise, when someone else came along, their values permeated the area.
This isn't hard, dude.
>>383996
but why would they not hold on to Greek culture rather than adopt Islam? Is it possible that modern day Turks, Arabs, Persians, etc have Greek heritage but don't even know it?
>>384010
>but why would they not hold on to Greek culture rather than adopt Islam?
Because in an Islamic empire where Muslims are treated better than everyone else, it pays to convert.
>>383953
I honestly don't get where this post is going? questions answer themselves, no?
>>384010
Why would they hold onto Greek culture once it was no longer being imposed from above? Why do modern post-colonial countries not hold onto the cultures of their colonizers?
When the Parthians swept through, you saw a rise of Parthian culture. When the Arabs swept through, you saw the rise of Arab culture. People on top tend to be influential, it's almost a tautology.
>>384061
I'm talking about the actual Greek settlers though.
Its ironic that figures like Alexander and Nikator have descendants that probably follow a very easternized culture and don't even know it
>>384010
Turks do, and they would probably acknowledge it. Levantine Arabs also most likely have some Greek ancestry, as would the majority of Southern Italians.
Millions of Asian Greeks retained their culture until the early 20th century, when their luck finally ran out. Most of the survivors went to Greece, where they still live. Some still live in Turkey.
Its pretty cool that there are still descendants of the last Roman emperor still kicking around.
>>384095
but its a bit disheartening that many descendants of the Romans and Greeks are completely detached from Greek/Roman legacy that is present in the west
>>384118
>That is present in the west
No it's fucking not. Read your spengler, Faustian civilization is opposite to Hellenic, The Greeks and Romans were alien as fuck in their mentality. Literally everything would be incomprehensible to both you and them.
Egypt would be far more understandable to the average American
>>384170
hmm. seams an interesting read. But i think its hard to say that western civilization isn't massively influenced by if not based off Greece and Rome
>This alone is sufficient to explain the intense vehemence with which the Arabian Culture, when released at length from artistic as from other fetters, flung itself upon all the lands that had inwardly belonged to it for centuries past. It is the sign of a soul that feels itself in a hurry, that notes in fear the first symptoms of old age before the shadow of youth. This emancipation of Magian mankind is without a parallel. Syria is conquered, or rather delivered, in 634. Damascus falls in 637, Ctesiphon in 637. In 641 Egypt and India are reached, in 647 Carthage, in 676 Samarkand, in 710 Spain. And in 732. the Arabs stood before Paris. Into these few years was compressed the whole sum of saved-up passions, postponed hopes, reserved deeds, that in the slow maturing of other cultures suffices to fill up entire centuries. TheCrusaders before Jerusalem , the Hohenstaufen in Sicily, the Hansa in the Baltic, the Teutonic Knights in the Slavonic East, the Spaniards in America, the Portuguese in the East Indies, the Empire of Charles V on which the sun never set, the beginnings of England's colonial power under Cromwell - the equivalent of all this was shot out in one discharge that carried the Arabs to Spain and France, India and Turkestan.
>>384201
Influenced sure. Based on? Not at all.
Greece transmitted lots of oriental culture into Europe, as well as preserving and advancing Indo-European culture and it created both a unique culture and religion through the syncretism of Indo-European and Oriental and Paleo-European traditions.
That all transferred to Rome and helped in turn to shape the fledgling Roman civilization. It wasn't a direct 1:1 translation but it was close enough, and the two cultures co-existed even after Greece was turned into a Senatorial Province.
Those two cultures had tremendous influence on the other European cultures and later the Arabs...
but it was sort of like a foundation of systems and ideas that were adapted to their new masters.
>>384292
True, all Cultures (the Egyptian, the Mexican and the Chinese excepted) have grown up under the tutelage of some older Culture. Each of the form- worlds shows certain alien traits. Thus, the Faustian soul of the Gothic, already predisposed to reverence by the Arabian origin of Christianity, grasped at the treasures of Late-Arabian art. An unmistakably Southern, one might even sayan Arabian, Gothic wove itself over the fa~ades of the Burgundian and Proven~al cathedrals, dominated with a magic of stone the outward language of Strassburg Minster, and fought a silent battle in statues and porches, fabric- patterns, carvings and metalwork-and not less in the intricate figures of scho- lastic philosophy and in that intensely Western symbol, the Grail legend 1 _ with the Nordic prime-feeling of Viking Gothic that rules the interior of the Magdeburg Cathedral, the points of Freiburg Minster and the mysticism of Meister Eckart. More than once the pointed arch threatens to burst its re- straining line and to transform itself into the horseshoe arch of Moorish- Norman architecture.
>>383953
well, afghans still fuck young boys and the muslims hate women, so the greeks achieved something, at least.
>>384089
They were very small in numbers, specially in the lands of the Seleucids.
>>384010
Muslims were massive greekboos.
Anyways, most of the area was never greek. Most people in Syria had more cultural similarities with the arabs and were probably not very fond of greek culture that represented the state that represed their "heretical" beliefs.
>>384170
>The Greeks and Romans were alien as fuck in their mentality. Literally everything would be incomprehensible to both you and them.
>Egypt would be far more understandable to the average American
Elaborate? I'm curious about this.
>>383953
Because a goat fucker prophet and some filthy barbarian raiders oppressed the glorious and masterful greek culture in the area, because it went against their gay ass religion, and because schools weren't massively accessible they weren't organised enough to form a rebellion, so it was either going by the Qu'ran or die, plus the Parthians and Iranians were butthurt from being fucked in the ass by Alexander. At least the Indo-Greek Kingdom's influence didn't thaw out, and made Buddhism a much more prevalent religion nowadays.
>>385449
>Parthians and Iranians were butthurt from being fucked in the ass by Alexander.
There isn't much butthurt by Iranians then or now over Alexander save the burning of Persepolis. Besides, the Arsacids themselves were massive Greekboos until the midway reign of their dynasty when it became apparent to them all their Iranian kin did not WANT to be Greeks to the point they started revolting.
>>384010
The actual Greek population of the Hellenistic states was fairly small. They did their best to bring in the culture, but the actual population of Greeks meant their demographic impact was negligible.
The muslim invaders may have replaced the Byzantines, but they didn't just rape and pillage anything that wasn't their Arabic culture. The whole reason the Islamic Golden Age even happened was thanks to the Hellenization of the areas they conquered. Demographically, Greeks were overwhelmed by the Arabian and later Turkic invaders, but their culture had lasting impacts on the region.
>>385491
>The muslim invaders may have replaced the Byzantines, but they didn't just rape and pillage anything that wasn't their Arabic culture.
Sure thing senpai.
>>384383
>Muslims were massive greekboos
It's actually rather surprising. Muhammad was one too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_the_prediction_in_Sura_al-Rum
>>383953
Shit produces shit.
>>384305
afghans still wear greek hats as well.
>>383953
>Why are the former lands of Selucids and are descendants of Selucid Greeks now Muslim?
One is an ethnic culture and the other a universal religion. You could be Greek and Muslim, which happened a lot in history.
>>388899
You could, but you'd be impinging on the ignorance of the masses and Greeks at large who think that Alexander spread Christianity and built churches.
