Welcome to a thread on the Celts. Gonna dump some Osprey and other images to get this started. In the meantime, I have a question; what if Vercingetorix had succeeded at Alesia? How would the ancient and subsequent Europe developed?
I was never that much of a fan of the celts to be honest. Unlike the Germanians and other later "barbaric" (see: No written language and shaman/pagan worshipping honor societies from western europe) they were never bothered with anything but what was just around the corner. They never unified and were always the first to get bored and distracted from the end goal whenever they joined a coalition. You find few noteworthy ambitious people amongst them, save for Vercinegetorix. Even Boudicca was just leading a reprisal campaign that got beat down pretty damn easy.
>>381162
I think the only barbarian "kingdoms" that ever sprung up were the 2 Dacian ones, the first by Burebista and the 2nd Decebal, and even they needed to call up on a lot of friends just to make a somewhat decent stand against the Romans. Not to mention they were probably more like coalitions of tribes, because barbarians were kind of shit when it came to working together, unless that meant gauled.com
>>381162
The Germanic tribes weren't actually that unified either, in fact they were less so than Gauls. Sure they had plenty of confederations but the main reason the Romans didn't conquer them is because after Teutoberg it was seen as a pointless place to go.
If the saxons never invaded Britain would the predominant British language continue being 'purely' Celtic or would it have become a celtic-influenced form of latin?
>>381215
Brythonic would likely have remained the central language of Britain, perhaps with some Latin influences. Naturally there would be little no to Germanic influence. My best guess, anyway.
>>381180
topkek
>>381162
>they were never bothered with anything but what was just around the corner
The Germans were more insular than the Celts. Celts roamed around a lot and did mercenary work to as far as Egypt. There's even a Celtic settlement in Anatolia.
Meanwhile Germos were stuck in their forests up until they overpopulated and then the Huns pushed them out.
>They never unified
So were the Germans. In fact their confederacies are even smaller.
>first to get bored and distracted from the end goal
What end goal? Again so were the Germans. At least some Celts managed the endgoal of "Migrating from the shitty Balkans and getting sandwiched between Dacians, Thracians and Macedonians."
Furthermore Gaul was divided into two powerful confederacies that wouldve united the Celts: The Arverni and the Aedui.
>You find few noteworthy ambitious people amongst them.
Opinions.
>>381626
This tee bee aych pham
>>381162
>No written language
'scuse me m8
>tfw you will never learn Gaulish
>>381811
Also before Ogham the Gauls wrote Gaulish in Greek script.
There are also inscriptions by the Celtiberians in both Iberian and Latin script.
Not to mention the modern celtic languages of course.
>>381811
The irregularity of the fifth aicme is giving me autist cringes. Also, having a writing system that looks much more like a counting system is confusing as fuck.
>>381943
>>381944
[spoiler]Is learning a dead Celtic language fun[/spoiler]
[spoiler]Or possible[/spoiler]
>>381949
fug no spoilers on /his/
>>381944
The fifth aicme was rarely used until later, also it looks better when it's on the stem
>>381949
Old irish is very much possible, it's good craic but it's much easier to learn modern irish.
>>381811
To be fair, Ogham-script was mainly a code-language for Druids on Ireland and in no way an everdyday script. It's disputable whether it holds the same relevance as other written languages.
>>381974
Man, that really looks a lot nicer. Also it reminds me of cipher runes.
>>382010
How is that different from the clergy being the almost the only literate christians for a long time in western Europe?
>>382010
>Ogham-script was mainly a code-language for Druids on Ireland and in no way an everdyday script.
It wasn't a code language or anything, it was just ceremonial and was mostly used for inscriptions, similar to Norse runes. For practical purposes people would just use the latin script.
>>381201
>We got our asses whooped
>w-we didn't want that land anyways
Good thread
>>382145
Thanks
>>381893
>tfw you can learn latin
/twg/ migration?
CELTIC PRIDE RHINE WIDE
>>383387
>RHINE WIDE
Nigga fuck off we atlantic now
>>383387
>tfw Irish Palatine
Am I, like, double Celtic or something?
WE
>>382127
>tfw I will never help my ancestors put rowdy sub-human Celtic and Germanic barbarians in line
>>383509
AH HERE WE WAS KINGZ N' ALL
#CELTLIVESMATTER
Can somebody explain to me what the deal is with Celts (Gauls particularly) and their boner for mustaches? I've assumed it has something to do with the fact that young men tend to have weaker growth above the upper lip, so an impressive mustache would be seen as a sign of masculinity. But I've also read something about sporting mustaches without beards regarded as odd (at least by the Romans) in antiquity, so a mustache would have been aesthetically similar to a mohawk or something. So which is it?
>>383557
>C'mere Tadhg
>Stall on hai
>*drinks bottle of buckfast*
>are you after sayin
>*smokes fag*
>we were
>*hits sliotar against the wall*
>Ard-Rís and shiiiiiite??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTNaYWe1MIA
>>383594
>>383557
this is liverpool, a town in northern england.
probably the worst fucking place in england other than london.
>>383594
top kek
>>383628
That's Dublin ye spa
Just cos he's wearing a Liverpool jersey doesn't mean it's in Liverpool
>>383628
I think it's Dublin. He's just wearing a liverpool jersey.
>>383594
>>383557
HOL' UP
>>383686
But I thought the Irish were descended from Cimmerians.
>>383686
haha stupid fuckers
reminds me of realhistoryww.com
>>383686
Orange cunts are the worst for >WEWUZ shit.
Macedonia tier
>>383713
>Macedonia tier
Hit the nail on the fucking head.
The proddies trying to claim Cú Chulainn is exactly like the FYROMians trying to claim Alexander, it's fucking insane, retarded and depressing above all.
>ogham stones in the background that don't actually say anything
>"indigenous" people of Ulster
goddamn it this shit cannot be good for my blood pressure
>>383702
>Respect Are Culture
>>381076
Rome would have regrouped and rek his shit at a later point. Keep in mind that Gaul was already mostly conquered at that point
>>383713
Tbf the ulster colonists were mainly lowland scots, so I guess they're claiming him in the name of Scotland.
I doubt cu chullain would want them to bend over for Anglo saxons masters though.
>>381162
But being a fan of a certain civilization isn't about believing that they were powerful and able to beat back their enemies. It's about finding the way of life cool and finding their buildings/clothing/languages/religion/weapons/military traditions cool. You can also say it has to do with a culture having a lot of noteworthy people, so I would agree with you that the Celts are lacking in that area.
Celts are kucks tbeh
>>385171
"no"
Where be the Celtic maidens?
>>385254
Yes.
>>385364
Why not both?
>>385379
Happens to the best of us.
#1066
>>385364
Man. Its amazing how Indo-Europeans in general had such an amazing overlap in uniform and armor designs.
Britain
Where war and woe and wonder
Have been known frequently,
And by turn bliss and despair
Have changed places suddenly.
And when this Britain was built by noble knights,
Bold men were bred in it who loved fighting,
And they made trouble in the course of time.
More marvels have happened, often, in this land
Than in any other I know, since that first age.
But of all who lived here as kings of Britain
Arthur was ever the noblest, as I have heard tell.
So I tend to tell of one adventure that happened
Which some have considered a marvel to behold,
One of the wonders that are told about Arthur.
If you will listen for a little while while to my lay
I shall tell it as I heard it in the hall,
ALOUD
As it is set down
In a strong story,
With true letters written
Together in the old way.
>>385395
Yes and no.
>>385400
This King Arthur was staying at Camelot at Christmastime
With many fair lords and the most beautiful ladies
And the whole high brotherhood of the Round Table
In happy festivity and the high revels of the season.
The men charged in tournaments again and again,
Noble nights jousting in high spirits!
Then they rode to the court and danced to carols,
And the feast went on like that a full fifteen days,
With all the food and entertainment anyone could imagine.
The laughter and merrymaking were a glory to hear,
A happy din all day and dancing at night,
All on a high note in halls and chambers,
With lords and ladies as they liked it best.
They stayed there together with all the wealth in the world,
The most famous knights under Christ Himself,
And the most beautiful ladies who ever lived,
And the finest of all was the King holding the court,
All of these fair folk there in the hall
in their first age,
The most fortunate under heaven,
The highest King, famous for his will,
Now it would be hard for anyone
To name a hardier man than he.
When the year had turned new only the night before
The company that day was served double at the high table.
When the King and his knights came into the hall,
The chanting in the chapel had come to an end
And a loud cry went up from the clerics and the others
Proclaiming Noël once more, calling out the word again,
And then the nobles ran and got the gifts ready,
Called out the New Year's presents, holding them high,
And the debated back and forth over the gifts,
The ladies laughed loudly, those that lost badly
And the winner was not disappointed, of that you can be sure!
All this celebration went on until dinner time.
When they had washed well, they went to sit at the table,
The most famous knights nearest the top, as was proper,
And Guenever, in high spirits, was seated in the middle of them,
In the arrangement of the famous table, with them arrayed around her,
The most beautiful there was the Queen,
Flashing her gray eye.
>>385404
What do you mean?
>>385408
Yet Arthur would not eat until they were all served.
He seemed full of the joy of youth, almost childlike.
He was happy with his life; he cared little
For lying in bed or sitting still for a long time,
His young blood so stirred him and his wild brain.
And there was a custom, besides, that he meant to keep,
That he had assumed in his noble way: he would not eat
On such a holiday until he had been told
A new tale of some wonderful event,
Of some great marvel that he might believe
About kings, or arms, or other adventures,
Or unless someone came to ask for a proven knight
To join with him in jousting, putting his life in peril,
Risking life against life, each of them allowing
Fortune to grant the advantage to one of them.
This was the King's custom when he was holding court
At every great feast with his noble company
In the castle
So with his proud face there
Bravely he stands waiting
Bold in that New Year,
And joins in the merrymaking.
So the King in his strength was standing there by himself
Talking of court trifles to those at the high table.
There sat good Gawain with Guenever beside him
And Agravaine of the hard hand on the other side of her,
Both of them the King's nephews and famous knights.
Bishop Bawdewyn was up at the head of the table,
And then Ywain beside him, who was the son of Urien.
These were seated on the dais, and lavishly served,
And many renowned knights were near them at the side tables.
Then came the first course, to the blaring of trumpets
Rare and delicate dishes are served,
Mounds of fresh meat, and so many platters
That it was hard to find enough places
To set down the silver with the stews in it
on the tablecloth.
Each one as he pleases
Takes whatever he will.
For every two there are twelve dishes,
Good beer and bright wine both.
>>385411
They are similar in some ways but distinct in others.
>>385413
Now I will say no more about their service,
For all must know that no one lacked anything.
Another noise and a new one suddenly reached them
In less time than it takes to lift food to the lips.
Scarcely had the sound faded away again,
With the first course in the court properly served,
Than in at the hall comes a frightening figure,
He must have been taller than anyone in the world:
From the neck to the waist was so huge and thick,
And his loins and limbs so long and massive,
That I would say he was half a giant on earth.
At least I am sure he was the biggest of men.
Yet he sat with a matchless grace in the saddle.
His back and his chest and whole body was stern
And both his belt and belly were svelte and small
And all of his features were in proportion
to the rest of him.
But more than anything
His color amazed them:
A bold knight riding,
The whole of him bright green.
And all in green this knight and his garments
With a close-fitting coat that clung to his side,
A fine robe over it adorned on the inside
With furs cut to one color, an elegant lining
Trimmed brightly with white fur, and his hood also
That was caught back from his long locks and lay on his shoulders;
Neat, tight-tailored hose of that same green
Clung fast to his calf, and shining spurs below
Of bright gold, on silk bands enriched with stripes,
And so the knight rides with slippers on his feet
And all that he was wearing was indeed pure verdure
All around him and his saddle, silk embroidery
The tassels of his horse's trapping and the handsome crupper,
The studs on the enameled bit and all the other metal,
And the stirrups that he stood in were of the same color,
And his saddle bow also and the rest of the fastenings,
It all kept glimmering and glinting with green stones.
The horse that he was riding resplendent with the same hue
As all the rest.
A green horse, hard to handle,
A strong steed, huge and massive,
Tossing the embroidered bridle,
The right horse for that knight to have.
>>385423
Yet he wore no helmet and no chain mail either,
Nor any breastplate, nor gauntlets on his arms,
He had no spear and no shield for thrusting and smiting,
But in his hand he held a branch of holly
That is the greenest of when the groves are bare,
And an ax in the other hand, huge and menacing
A fearsome bearded-ax to find words to tell of.
The length of its head was at least a yard and a half,
The point all hammered out of green steel and gold,
The blade brightly burnished, with a broad edge,
Shaped for shearing, sharp as razors.
The grim knight gripped the stout handle of the weapon.
It was wrapped with iron to the shaft's end
And all engraved with green in graceful designs.
Rich embroidery above buttons of bright green,
The knight rides straight ahead into the hall,
Making for the high dais, undaunted by anything,
With no greeting to anyone, but his eyes high above them.
The first sound from him: "Where," he said,
"Is the head of this gathering? I would be glad
To set eyes on that knight, and I have something to say to him."
Over the knights he cast his eye
Riding up and down,
Stooping and looking hard to see
Who might have most renown.
They went on staring at the knight for some time,
Everyone wondering what it might mean
For a man and a horse to acquire such a color,
As green as the grass grows, and greener still, it seemed,
The green enamel glowing brighter on the gold.
All of them standing there stared and crept closer to him
With all the wonder in the world, to see what he would do.
For they had seen many marvels but never any like this,
So they all thought it might be a phantom or some faerie's trick,
So that many of the noble knights were afraid to answer,
And all were struck by his voice and stayed stone still,
And there was a silence like death through the great hall.
Not a sound rose out of them, as though they had all fallen asleep.
Not I think, from fear only,
But some waiting for
Their King, out of courtesy,
To let him answer.
>>385395
The Anglo-Saxons actually got those helmets and open coats from the Sassanids via Huns/Scythians
That helmet type, called the Spangenhelm was actually pretty much adopted by all of Europe.
>>385418
>>385411
>>385404
>>385395
>>385364
There will always be overlaps with Indo-Europeans: religion, language, culture, and warfare included.
>>385433
This is true. Also there's the added influence of Sarmatians being garrisoned in Britain in the late Roman Empire who could've influenced later Anglo-Saxons who invaded the Isles.
>>385441
As with all neighbors.
Saxonbro, keep dumping it's helping beef up my folder.
>>385470
Cheers m8.
>tfw no Zoroastrian Saxons
JUST IMAGINE IT
>>385478
>B-brother?
>>385482
Christ is LORD.
>>385379
This guy looks like a Khajiit.
>>385488
>letting a weak crucified god be your king
>>385499
*tips mjolnir*
>>385495
>>385507
Time for a friendly swordfight
>>385504
There is a trend for the humblest of faiths to survive while the aggressive crazy ones almost always have a unrestrained period that collapses inward as it competes with its own believers for relevance. Probably why Buddhism, hinduism and jainism survive with continuity
>>385513
Less is more.
>>385518
Heaven and earth shall pass away but Christ's words shall never pass away.
>>385521
Less is a bore.
>>385530
Celts are weird.
>>385537
Saxons are weirder
>>385539
just the way ur mum likes it
>>385548
Sutton...who?
>>385552
>putting horns on your helmet
cu.ck
>>385560
Shoo shoo, silly Saxon
>>385562
That's what your fathers said.
Dump some actual relics, friendo. I want to see Saxon stuff that isn't replicas.
>>385591
Feast your eyes.
>>385529
>Heaven and earth shall pass away but Christ's words shall never pass away.
Conjecture. An immaterial being who may or may not exist cannot do anything.
>>385599
>>385614
What was that about less is more?
I kid, those are very nice
>>385611
Are you Hebrew?
>>385616
We conquered their island but they conquered our hearts.
Goodnight and God bless.
>>385666
Farewell
Celts are actually one of my favorite pre-Christianitsation cultures.
I think their art is so goddamn cool; I especially love those anthropomorphic hilts they made for their short sword
>>381201
I'd say the Lombards did a pretty good job unifying themselves with the tribes who came from the Asian steppes to defeat the Goths
>>386229
I want to buy one of these. I'd probably never use it but I want one so much.
>>381076
>what if Vercingetorix had succeeded at Alesia? How would the ancient and subsequent Europe developed?
Even in the slim chance that Vercingetorix had succeeded the Romans would've probably just sent more legions after him anyways. Any Celt that fought to conserve the ways of their people were simply fighting for them not to be romanized for the next 50 years.
>>382127
Wut
Germanicus came back and fucked them over completely, only reason why they won the first time was because they were betrayed
>>385616
>Less is more
...is not even remotely a Saxon thing. There's a concept in the study of their art called "Horror Vaccui". Literally the fear of empty space. They were the swag-masters of the germanic peoples.
>>385470
Question: How did the Celts use charriots in warfare?
Did they drive them in front of the enemy lines while one of them threw javelins sort of like a less efficient version of the horse archer?
Speaking a which, in every image I see of Celts they always seem to use javelins as projectiles, did they never use bows?
>>386370
Usually the charioteers would ride across the enemy line, frightening their troops whilst hurling javelins and insults at them. After they had exhausted their missile collections they typically dismounted and fought on foot.
Celts typically used slings and javelins as combat weapons but bows weren't unheard of, they were just used more during hunting.
>>386370
The English longbow supposedly came from the Welsh
>>386380
>hurling javelins and insults at them
I dunno why, that made me laugh
>>381564
>hill forts
I fucking love hill forts
they are so damn cool
wish we had more depictions of them
>>386488
>Thinking I was talking about Irish "Celts"
lmao
>>385483
How much overlap is there between the Anglo-Saxon languages and modern English?
Because I see that some words are very similar to ours, but I assumed the Germanic connection was solely Norse.
>>386499
Seconded
>>383576
I think it was just a custom; something they did to look attractive.
Much like Romans shaved or vikings groomed their beards. The to romans it looked odd, but to the celts I'm sure that shaving off beard and mustache must have been odd.
Anyway, I had a question about celt social structure. I know they had Kings, but how did those Kings rule over their land? Did they collect taxes? Were men conscripted into serving them?
>>383523
If you're Italian, then news flash, you're not Latin
>North Italian: filthy Lombard
>South Italian: pervert Greek
>Sicilian: Moorish negro
>>386714
This may surprise you, but modern English is descended from Anglo-Saxon.
>>386721
From what I remember, there was usually a king of a tribe or confederation, and under him were chieftains that controlled separate settlements and so forth. Taxation did occur, especially when they started minting their own coins. As far as conscription goes, within Celtic society is was viewed as a noble and manly thing to be a warrior, so freemen and nobles would often volunteer if the tribe or confederacy was on campaign against a rival. They wouldn't be paid for their service but they could loot whatever they wanted.
>>386714
Take your standard Anglo-Saxon (In a pinch, Frisian will do), slop in a huge helping of old French in the pot, mix it together and let sit for about 500 years.
By this point, you've got yourself a nice middle English going. Toss in the pot a handful of ancient Greek (not too much) and season with Spanish, Arabic, Iroquois, and whatever Indian language sounds good to you at the time (dot or feather really, different recipes call for either). Stir that shit up and it'll eventually coalesce into your bog standard modern English.
>>381117
>this shield
Is he a celtiberian? Those motives in the shell was very common between the Iberians, like the turdetani. It can also be found in a lot of iberian pottery
>>386770
kek, this actually answers my question
thanks m8
>>386781
Example
>>386781
>Is he Celtiberian?
Yeah, the shield is a giveaway but also the fact he is wearing much shorter braccae due to warmer weather.
>>386864
Yeah he does good stuff.
>You will never enjoy a drunken feast with your fellow warriors
>>385521
that's actually not saxon, not even germanic but finnic sword.
>>386953
He was just Saxonposting due to hating Celts, ignore him.
>>385441
Now hold on a fucking second.
Were the Sassanids medieval Europe before medieval Europe?
>>387277
Where are these guys from? The Iberian Peninsula?
Asking because I'm sure those Swords (Knives?) weren't used by Gauls or Britons
>>387311
They're known as the falcata, and they were used by Iberian and Celtiberian tribes, Celtiberians sharing a Celtic ancestry with their northern brethren.
>>382127
>He doesn't Know about Germanicus.
If only he could have lived longer... Is there a better would be Emperor than Germanicus His?
I don't get why people consider Saxons the exact antithesis of Celts considering they were both wrecked and subjugated by the Normans after a long period of co-existence.
>>387336
Because they were bitter enemies and raided eachother annually?
>>387336
Because muh pure Germanic genes
It's all a joke, really.
Were there really big différences between the customs/clothes/weapons Britons, Picts, and Gaels before the Romans?
I know Ireland, England, and Scottland developped very different fashion after the fall of the Roman empire, but whenever I look up "Britons celts" or "Pictish celts" on Google I get mostly the same images
>>387324
The only "Celts" aka Gauls were the Galicians, the North Iberian tribes like the cantabrians, Asturians, Basque etc were pre-Celt indo-european with Aquitanians, Gaulish and Iberian influences, the basques being mainly Aquitanian.
>>387377
I think Britons and Picts were a lot closer to continental Celts, sharing some linguistic innovations like kw > p
We've seen a lot of images with male Celt fashion, but I'd actually like to know more about that their women dressed like.
Most of what I find on Google images is just very romanticised images of Boudicca.
>>387346
They weren't though.
>>386370
Caesar describes them as battlefield taxi's a lot of like Homer describes chariots being used.
Bows gave way to javelins in large parts of Europe because of shields and armor, same with the Greeks who noticed javelins were a lot more effective against Hoplita
>>386380
>
They were also used to taxi champions and messengers around the battlefield. Similar enough to their use in the Iliad (long time since I read it though)
>>387311
That's a modern depiction of the Lusitani. They weren't Celts (although there's been some speculation that their language was a sort of proto-Celtic, but this is largely rejected). Most believe they are a pre-Indo European people.
>>386805
And this is supposed to be Viriato, the leader of the Lusitani. Also nothing to do with Celts.
>>383713
looks like art straight out of a 90s wrpg.
>>388179
He was Celtiberian, which is a mix of Celtic and Iberian anon.
>>383686
Wee curious George is amazing. He genuinely believes in this stuff as well, it's literally A-level History and Classical Civilisation kek
My Grandad was an Orangeman and absolutely hated him.
There's a load of videos of him on Loyalists Against Democracy on [spoiler]facebook[/spoiler]
>>390624
That's Caesar Augusta bit triggered me so much.
>>387408
I don't know about ancient Celts but here are some 16th century Irish women
>>390887
>>390463
Where is your source?
Diodorus Siculus claims he was a Lusitani who came from a village on the sea. Livy claims he was a Lusitanian shepherd. Archaeologist Adolf Schulten claims he came from somewhere around the Serra de Estrela mountains, which are situated in historically Lusitani territory.
I mean, I don't know where this is coming from. I've never seen anyone ever claim Viriato was anything other than Lusitanian. Are you sure you're not mixing him up with someone else?
http://youtu.be/wTJBfNF0xHU
Are there any video games about Celts?
>>391457
Total War games let you play as Celts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4scwB83GbY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5ISmmNPP-Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNXk4VVDcxw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqgfgOCBru4
as worse as nigger
first "white" people to racemix and most likely to mudshark and burn the coal
they're the reason why some parts of the east coast and the south are worse as nigger shantytowns
>>391515
/pol/ pls go
>>390887
>>390893
I had seen pictures of 16th century irish before; I find it SO wierd how their women's clothing look good but men look like fucking beggars
>A single nation
>United by a common spirit
>Can defy the universe
Gone but never forgotten.
