Why didn't the Black Death affect europe so much? One century later europe was conquering the world...
You what? It wiped out half the population and destroyed the Gothic Era (though to be fair that was mostly the Hundred Years War).
>>380951
Did the Milanese and the Poles just kill anyone that looked a bit too pale or something?
>>381001
They just closed their borders.
>>380951
It played a significant role in weakening what remained of the feudal system in W. Europe.
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>>380951
> Why didn't the Black Death affect europe so much? One century later europe was conquering the world...
This is like asking why the Holocaust didn't affect the Jews since there's still Jews around, or why Native Americans weren't affected by Europeans reaching North America since they own casinos.
It completely ruined the Kingdom of Norway
It ended our golden age and we were owned by either Denmark or Sweden for hundreds of years to come
Old Norse fell out of use, we used Danish instead
we STILL have a Danish king! (look it up, the bastard ain't Norwegian)
The black death basically broke the entirety of the society down.
Culturally, people began to fear death and the art they left behind began to reflect that viewpoint (usually in the form of skeletons, skulls, etc).
Economically, it tore shit apart. With so many people with skills dead it essentially gave power to those left that still had the skills to basically sell their specialized goods at any price they saw fit. Labor became a great commodity and in doing so oddly began to raise the standard of living after the plague.
The reason English people speak English today is largely a result of the Black Death. Virtually all educated people there spoke French and Latin before the plague and they would be the ones forming the national identity centuries later.
>>380951
The societal changes that occurred as a consequence of the Black Death are in good part the reason why one century later Europe was conquering the world.
>>381599
>we STILL have a Danish king! (look it up, the bastard ain't Norwegian)
Technically he's ethnically German, and so is the king of Denmark and every other European monarch except for Spain, Sweden, and Monaco
>>381655
This, pretty much. It led to a massive boom of industry. Labor was no longer cheap, leading to more and more of a new middle and upper class coming into being, mainly in the low countries and Northern italy/southern Germany.
basically it wiped out most of the dumbasses leaving the more intelligent behind
also it decredited the church
>>380951
>One century later europe was conquering the world.
Because after their plagues ended, they had those plagues as weapons.
>>382748
this is one of the worst history memes circulating
>>383251
Well it's gonna keep being posited if nobody refutes it.
"It's wrong" is not a valid refutation.
Why don't we ever hear of the Black Death affecting other regions? Is it just because of eurocentrism? Did just as an appalling number of people die around the world but we only hear about Europe because historians only cared about Europe?
>>382864
>most of Europe's monarchies are German
>the Spanish & Swedish kings are basically French
>neither Germany nor France has a monarchy anymore
>>383468
There's actually a somewhat sizable group of Germans calling for the restoration of the German monarchy. I believe it was something like 10-20% of the population.
>>383468
The Grimaldi are Italians.
>>383481
>something like 10-20% of the population.
maximum doubt dot jay peg
>>383468
Europe was kind of like one big loosely associated empire for a long time. Wars between between European monarchies were more like a mix of family squabbles and civil wars than an actual war between distinct nation-states.
>>383492
http://www.thelocal.de/20130425/49371
>>383481
That sounds retarded. I still can't understand why England faps to their own monarchy still. Don't European countries already have enough of a national identity to hold your countries together? They don't need royal families to define themselves as a nation.
>>383481
I was actually learning about this recently, there's some higher up in the army who has a picture of Wilhelm II on his desk and men from his regiment/section/whatever get paid leave to attend the commemoration thing at his grave every year.
Also the current rightful heir (pretender I guess) to the throne says he reckons the monarchy will come back at some stage, then again he would say that lol
>>383489
I deliberately left out Monaco cos I couldn't remember.
>Italy itself doesn't have a monarchy any more
Where do the memes end??
>>383495
Oh I know that, sure it was like that from the 100 Years War right up to WWI
>George V, Wilhelm II and Nicholas II were all 1st cousins
>>383505
The British monarchy is actually great, they attract a ton of tourism for the country.
>>383505
At least in Germany's case I think a Monarch as a figure head might be nice. It's not that Germany doesn't have a national identity, but nationalism is something that most Germans shy away from and have done so ever since WWII. I think having a monarch might be something to spark some sort of expression nationalism or love of country or what have you.
Do you guys reckon that (hypothetically) if Germany brought back the monarchy that they'd change the flag back too?
>>383508
>Oh I know that, sure it was like that from the 100 Years War right up to WWI
Yeah, I was kind of trying to reaffirm the statement with myself and others rather than trying to correct you.
>>383513
>The British monarchy is actually great, they attract a ton of tourism for the country.
Yeah, because Britain is so backwardly quaint. Just turn the palace into a museum and move on. You won't evolve as a nation until you rid yourself of this national identity crutch.
>>383656
That makes sense, but I don't like the idea. No red blooded American wood.
>>383665
Nope the white one originated from an alliance between Prussia and Brandenburg. Our current one is much older and represents Germany as a whole. The German Empire was pretty much an extended Prussia
>>383656
The problem is that Germany doesn't really have a government to look back on fondly. They always led to ruin. Germany is a relatively new nation as far as functional nations go. You could always wait until WW3 and liberate countries instead of conquering them. Battles are great for creating national identities.
>>383730
The current one is from 1848, correct?
So is my country's flag (Ireland)
>>383747
Yeah 1948/49 could have been pretty huge in europe, unfortunately it failed in most countries
>>383763
It was a total joke in Ireland (only 2 people died) but we got the flag out of it lol
>>380951
why was milan and poland unaffected?
>>383505
Uh Anon, the Monarchy actually still wields legal power if they want to, and IIRC their military forces swear allegiance to the CROWN.
So you won't be getting rid of the Monarchy any time soon unless the Monarchy decides to abdicate entirely.
>>383890
Nobody is going to the trenches for the Queen, anon. Learn to appreciate the difference between symbolic and real power. If the crown tried to start throwing its weight around in a serious way it would very quickly find itself legislated into total impotence.
>>383730
Do you think they would add a coat of arms to the flag or use the HRE one instead of the lame tri-colour?
>>383890
All of that is purely symbolic. Sure, the Queen does IN THEORY hold absolute power, but she hasn't exercised any of it in decades. In the former Commonwealth (Canada, NZ, Australia) the Governor General is still the Queen's representative, and has the final say on all laws.
All of this is just the remnants of the old British system that has mutated and changed for centuries. Britain is no less free than the US, or France, per se. The Royal Family still does own huge plots of land, though, that it legitimately owns, and revenues of that land to the State surpasses tenfold any expenses that the Monarchy incurs.
>>381655
It broke down the entire feudal system, not society itself. People didn't fear death after it passed, on the contrary, they experienced a joie de vivre for being well and alive, and began distancing away from a religious-centric model as the Church had been incapable to save them or to explain why that was happening other than "our sins and etc senpai".
All this, which was clearly visible in the Italian states, allowed for the renaissence, the humanism and pre-capitalist revolution.
>>383977
You mean like the current Federal service/ war flag?
