Has any political organization ever in all of human history been as depraved as ISIS? Was any ancient army or modern totalitarian state so complete remorseless that they'd have little kids murdering people for spectacle?
I'm legit wondering if humanity has reached an all-time-low.
http://104.236.71.225/videos/ISIS_Cave.mp4
Content warning. Watch at your own discretion. It's an ISIS propaganda video with little kids individually executing a dozen or so captives. Near-Hollywood level production values and camerawork.
Khmer Rouge
>>354143
The United States of America
>>354149
Cite an example that's comparable to this video.
Obviously lots of movements have killed vastly more people, but something that completely inverts morality like this? And celebrates the fact?
>>354159
>le my version of morality just happens to be the one that is objectively true meme
>>354143
A country once nuked two cities full of civilians because they didnt want to share Japan with the USSR
>>354143
>Near-Hollywood level production values and camerawork.
Hmm...
>>354166
A country once terrorised the entire Far East and committed many unspeakable war crimes and crimes against humanity before they were stopped by one of the countries they attacked without warning.
>>354166
The same country also invaded Korea and forces it to be divided to this day because they didn't want Koreans to align with the USSR and PRC.
>>354159
they brainwashed children and teens to the point of killing their own parents
also killing ppl just for wearing reading glasses in their effort to wipe out intellectuals and driving all the urbane population to the camps
in the global scheme of things they have little to no power.. they're just catching little flies in their small sticky strip.. opportunists that are filling every dirty disregarded crevice they can stick their fingers in.. killing civilians? i'd say don't make me laugh but i already did.. if you're deader than them you have no problem..
>>354166
I'd say Japan lucked out by getting nuked.
Not only were they spared from the mass murder and Russian colonization of the Soviet Union but it also saved them from ending up like the Koreas. They're also an economic powerhouse and if they continue their present course will come out of the demographic crisis enormously empowered.
inb4 the Chink shitposter comes in ranting about how North Korea is a 1st world country thanks to glorious Chinese benevolence.
>>354159
Khmer Rouge.
>>354166
The scientists/engineers who built the bombs, and the airmen who dropped it, never set eyes on the people they killed. If they had had to kill them all face-to-face they obviously wouldn't have been able to go through with it, since there's a natural human aversion to murder we circumvent by doing it at a distance.
What's so deeply disturbing about this video, is that the people who made it obviously have ZERO aversion to violence and murder whatsoever. They think it's fun, and will put in all this work making it look cool and capturing it all in HD with artsy angles and focus changes and professional lighting, presumably because they think like-minded psychopaths will enjoy and be inspired by it. The icing on the cake is that it's LITTLE KIDS who are doing the killing, and that they set it up so some of them would do stunt falls as they died (for laughs apparently).
Putting aside lone psychotic serial murderers, I really don't think there's any precedent in history for what ISIS is today.
>>354159
There are two different things here.
One is wanton violence against the helpless and the defeated. This has been SOP forever, since it pleases the victorious soldiers and intimidates anyone who remains alive.
The other is applying child labor. This is as old as dirt. Children have been put to work wherever they were effective, or in times of need.
The combination of the two is a coincidence growing from a peculiarity of the West - we detest conspicuous slaughter and we detest child labor. ISIS, in recognizing this, applies child labor towards slaughtering captives, scoring two hits against our Western conscience.
You can read up on some gruesome shit that went down in Africa in the 20th century, it's just that said shit was intended for local consumption or for private entertainment. The perpetrators weren't ashamed of it or anything, they just didn't feel the need to broadcast it. ISIS does feel that need, which is what makes them different.
>>354183
Trillions of dollars of quantitative easing and decades of hyperinflation does not a world power make.
>>354171
damn those evil Americans desu
>>354173
Killing people for political / ideological / practical purposes is nothing new. This video goes way way way beyond that.
Normally the point of public execution is to frighten people into following the rules. But with these videos it's the killers who are the focus, and the message is one of triumph and power over others. The victims aren't the point of focus, the killers are. And that seems different from anything I'm aware of.
>>354206
yeah too bad the soviet union didn't get to occupy Japan, I cant even imagine the prosperity they are missing out on
Imagine the Mongols with the video cameras and the internet, posting videos of them slaughtering city-states and flooding intended targets with images of the slaughter before they arrive.
>>354209
Yes, damn them for not letting them decide their own methods of governance, dividing the country, keeping them in a state of permanent war the vast majority of people on both sides don't want, and isolating the side that rightfully wants them out of their land to the point where regardless of famine conditions or other problems that could be alleviated with trade. Glad you can be reasonable.
>>354210
>Normally the point of public execution is to frighten people into following the rules
Yeah, that's the point here too. ISIS wants the whole world, including you, to live by their rules.
The reason it seems unusual is that you watch or hear about these videos from the comfort of your extraordinarily well defended home, and their ability to follow through on their threat is pretty close to zero.
>>354183
>Japan
>coming out of the crisis by doing the same shit that just put them deeper in to the shit
ayY LmAO xD
As for ISIS, the only reason they're still here is because of the US, its allies and NATO, without all that support and help ISIS would be long gone.
>>354143
Assyrians/Akkadians operated under the tactic of completely slaughtering a town in as horrific a manner possible to make surrounding places think twice about resisting when the army showed up.
>>354245
how dare they go against a dynastic communist dictatorship? fucking Americans are worse than hilter
#vote_bernie_sanders
Besides ISIS who else has ever made a show of having kids execute people?
Why exactly isn't the UN security council doing anything about ISIS? It seems like the only thing in history they would ever agree on.
What ISIS does is bad but the only reason people care is because of their hilariously professional videos.
I'm sure in a century or so it wouldn't be hard to portray ISIS in a somewhat positive way.
>>354143
Video looks staged as fuck.. I mean use your brain people not only those guys magically stopped dying so that they could change really fast the camera position so they could just un-pause the body position to die from the new angle.
>>354278
>how dare they go against a dynastic communist dictatorship?
Are you fucking retarded? What "dynasty" was there before the Korean War?
>it's okay to intentionally starve people because I don't agree with their opinions
#build_the_wall
>>354288
the khmers usual practice was to make 2 kids kill a prisioner with their bare hands and a plastic bag in front of villagers
>>354299
If ISIS is using 'special effects' it's just executing more people for pick-up shots.
>>354308
I saw The Killing Fields too, but is this actually credibly documented on a wide scale? And why did they use kids?
>>354168
Watch it. Faultless cinematography. Somebody with ISIS really knows what they're doing when it comes to shooting and editing video.
>>354143
The real question is: when has this NOT been the case?
This is business as usual in many sub-saharan african states. The Khmer Rouge are another good example, as someone else already mentioned. It was normal for the Japanese in WW2 to commit worse stuff than this.
Slavery is on the same level aswell, I'd argue. Literally making humans into a commodity. Stripping them of their humanity, from birth all the way to death.
>>354309
LMAO haha
>>354312
kids make the best foot soldiers and also khmers wanted to erase the old society and start from scratch
Yes, the genocide and its methods are well documented, there has been several trials
>>354333
How much of what's reported about the Japanese in WW2 is actually fact?
They did ultra mind-blowing-ly fucked up human experiments, but they had a purpose with that. I've heard that they 'used civilians for bayonet drills' but I wonder if that isn't Chinese propaganda. I assume that wasn't widespread (that'd be extreme;y demoralizing for the average Japanese recruit I'd think, unlike with ISIS where it seems to get them pumped up).
>>354245
Kim pls go and stay go
>>354294
They may all agree that ISIS is bad and needs to be stopped, but they don't agree on how to regard the other factions involved in the civil war. Plus, there's the fact that neither Syria nor Iraq actually want the UNSC's help.
>>354377
>neither Syria nor Iraq actually want the UNSC's help.
>UNSC
ODST WHEN
>>354386
When fascists and communists try taking over the solar system, obviously.
>>354396
ISIS already throws homosexuals off tall buildings. Feet first into hell, alright.
>>354377
Okay, but the opinions of Iraq and Syria become less and less relevant to the discussion as more and more refugees poor out of the region. Who to support sounds like a sticky issue that won't go away though.
>>354245
>He's going through his anti-american phase
It's exciting isn't? You'll finally be a man in a few years!
>>354143
>that part where the guy takes the kid and draws a square in the sand and then draws a bid "X" in the middle of it to show him where to go
This was pretty disgustingly well put together, but you'd think even the would realize how stupid that looked.
Sparta was more fucked up I guess, since they kept slaves in the most degrading conditions, and were all pedophiles, in addition to have children murder people for fun, etc.
>>354478
...although I'm not sure how big ISIS is into slavery. AFAIK they're mostly just into sex slaves.
>>354346
The fish rots from the head down. A government that oversees something as sick and twisted as the japanese human biological exerpiments cannot be expected to rule over a moral people. I don't know how you can doubt the veracity of the claims made against average jap soldiers when there is so much damning evidence against them and when the very state they were acting on behalf of literally funded human trafficking and murder based on the "fact" that their human guinea pigs were non-japanese and thus "inferior"
>>354210
It was the same thing with the Khmer, or with the Nanking massacre.
It's pretty fucking evil, I'll give you that, fuck those relativist idiots. But it's not unique.
>>354501
I'm not denying, I've never looked into it. But Japan was a pretty civilized place at the time, and making a public show of barbaric cruelty wouldn't have been good for morale, since the average Japanese soldier was coming from a very ordered and peaceful country where violence wasn't commonplace.
Same logic as applied to Western armies in that and other wars. They killed millions of people, intentionally and unintentionally, but you never would have seen the dead body of any enemy in propaganda (let alone over-the-top acts of cruelty) because that isn't how civilized nations roll. They like to keep their violence out of focus and at a distance.
>>354486
They are already in the business of abducting Western people for ransom, which is one of the fundamental aspects of white slavery, a time-honored practice which ISIS could choose to revive. They also press local professionals (like doctors) into service in the areas that they conquer.
>>354189
Khmer rouge, once again. Go look it up.
>>354189
I hate to tell you this, you retarded faggot, but they do this stuff up to 15 times because they need retakes. Their film team is a pretty good one.
Yes they're pretty horrible and it's barbaric to say the least but there have been way worse acts in history.
>>354143
The British empire
>>354189
Just look at the picture of the Nanking massacre you fag. They were enjoying it too.
>>354143
>what is nanking
If world justice systems were based around eye for an eye people like this wouldn't do this shit.
Torture and murder is justified- for torturers and murderers.
>>354143
yes, everyone acted this. IN THE IRON AGE
ISIS are undoubtably depraved, in recent history though my vote goes to the Khmer Rouge..
>killing 3 million (25% of the total population) of a country in less than 5 years
>to save ammunition they often killed people with spades, plastic bags or smashing their heads against fucking trees
>fucked up the demographics of a nation so drastically in a short period of time - issues still ongoing today
>brutal and relentless brainwashing of the youth - normally told to kill parents (they were the only ones alive by the end - related to above point and image)
>banned money, any personal belongings, personal space and even fucking sex
>used history as an excuse, yet still removed minorities that had an extensive history in Cambodia
>due to the shitstorm, they were eventually invaded and removed by the Communists in Vietnam
>all this for trying to make a nation, in 1976, into a fucking agarian socialist state
>>354714
Ironic the West was unsure what to do about the KR since the enemy-of-my-enemy-is-my-friend....right? just as they are now with ISIS.
MUH CHILLUNS!
Seriously hate this fucking era. Why won't WW3 just happen already...
>muh baby smashing tree
>>354720
Well, KR were supported by the Chinese and the US were unsure as they were seen as a way of limiting the Vietnamese. As usual, the US' plans didn't go as they wanted as the KR took over a Vietnamese town, massacred everyone except for 3 survivors and then had their shit pushed in and removed from power.
If the KR didn't go full retard and attempt to invade Vietnam they would most likely have been in power for much longer and truly annihilate the country with their pants-on-head retarded ideas. Between 75-79 they got damn close to doing so, with another four they would have most likely collapsed.
>>354745
What's the closest a governing regime has ever come to murdering its whole population?
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>>354320
check out their magazine.
they have a very professional layout in every single media they print/broadcast
>>354173
pretty much all dictatorial regimes have done that - they may have not put the kid's shooting their parents in the face, but they encouraged everyone to report dissidents - whether they were family or not leading in most cases to an indirect death.
>>354143
on topic: i don't think so; at least from well documented sources and not just ancient tales usually told by the enemies of the people depicted in those tales.
you could consider al-qaeda to be animals, but the worthless scum that took over their place can't even be considered animals because animals aren't sadistic - they just don't have morals.
which means i can almost create empathy with al-qaeda after the spawn of the devil's seed which is what isis clearly is. terrorism before them had a purpose and it was targeted all of the times - but they lowered the bar(and i'll end here since 1000 letter maximum)
>>354761
Paraguay maybe? Though "get killed in a senseless war" may not qualify as "murder".
>>354761
Francisco Solano Lopez in Paraguay is one I can immediately think of - went to war against Brazil, Uruguay and Argentina 1864-1870. Got completely blown out militarily and then descended into guerrilla warfare that led to the civillan population getting annihilated. Most of the males in the country (around 70%) were killed in the first (army warfare) stage as elistment was mandatory and then in the latter half of the war the remaining population got decimated by the guerrilla style fighting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Solano_L%C3%B3pez
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraguayan_War
As for specific instances of democide though i'm unsure. The Rwandan government in '94 during the Genocide - 1,000,000 people killed (20% of the total population) in 100 days is pretty staggering.
>>354191
you're stupid. cruelty doesn't serve a purpose. it's just an outlet for stupid people under stress.
>>354725
I want xenos hacking into the internet to sew the seeds of misanthropy and violence in humanity to go and stay go.
>>354803
Paraguayans resisted a foreign invasion almost to the last man. No genocide there.
>>354166
*Because a mainland projection was predicted to have heavy casualties
The Spanish
>>354827
Not a genocide admittedly, but the question was how close has a government/governing ruler come to getting its population killed. The Paraguayan war was pretty close. If we're looking at genocides the Rwandan one was pretty close although it wasn't of the entire populace, just a section of it being killed. In the Westernmost province of Rwanda it was widely acknowledged that the Tutsi population there had been completely eradicated.
>>354771
The Islamic world is beyond fucked us when Al Quaida are the new moderates and getting good press in the West for criticizing ISIS's radicalism.
>>354803
But that's a war. Plenty of populations have been wiped out by outsides in wars (often to the point of literal extinction).
The question was about a government murdering its own people.
Khmer rouge were pretty fucking awful
>>354294
It's doing airstrikes and deferring the blood spilling to the locals so they can develop some pride again.
>>354143
The Christians
>>354812
And when you have masses of stupid people under your control, you can stress them out and direct this outlet to your benefit. The cruelty of soldiers raping and pillaging a defeated city becomes beneficial to their leader when it instills fear in the perceived enemy and provides for the soldiers.
So unless you dismiss sociopaths as stupid people under stress, cruelty is certainly used as a means to an end.
>>354867
In this case I related the Paraguayan war because the leader of the nation instigated it and got his population annihilated.
>>354895
More like the lamp industry. Those shit's are dangerous. They could kill someone
>>354143
The mongols make ISIS look like pansies.
Spanish and Portuguese conquerors were incredibly brutal
Japanese
List goes on
>>354143
Every first world country has done stupid shit in their war at some point. It's very easy to kill other people when you don't see them as people, even easier when you're on drugs so you don't get traumatized by what you're doing.
>>354902
HI Mark!
ISIS is basically tame compared to anything pre 1700.
Check out some of the shit in the 30 years war.
>>354714
Whats the deal with East Asians and ultimate cruelty?
>Huns
>Mongols
>Japanese
>Khmer Rouge
There's more. I know you can cite European examples, but East Asians just seem to go the extra mile in terms of actual cruelty, Euros just like to genocide and make examples.
>>354143
>humanity has reached an all time low
No them, but we, yes we have.
>>354947
Examples? I pretty ignorant of the 30 years war apart from the fact I was apparently pretty deadly
>>354143
The power of media was not that strong until very recently.
Also "videos of kids doing bad stuff" doesn't mean shit. What puts them up in the scale of barbary is stuff like burning people alive in cages or crucifying criminals. Stuff that was done in the past, even by peoples we admire. The whole point is that we're supposed to have gone through this already, it shouldn't be happening anymore.
>>354960
Turks too (they count as eastern asians if mongols do).
>>355178
Having kids do it makes this worse than e.g. torturous killings, as far as setting them beyond the pale of civilized humanity.
Any normal person might resort to torture given a 'ticking time bomb' scenario. Normal people may also kill someone in a terrible way if they're mad enough (ask the man on the street what they'd have done with Hitler or Osama if given the opportunity).
But having LITTLE KIDS murder people... that's a whole other level of fucked up, and impossible to sympathize with. There's simply no scenario where any non-insane person in the civilized world could imagine doing that for any reason.
>>355253
Child soldiers area a widespread phenomenon and far from modern.
Are you gonna tell me it's better when it's not filmed?
>>354960
To be honest, I know more about recent conflicts 1900's onwards and in Europe compared to those of the middle ages and beyond. The Japanese did a lot of fucked up shit throughout the 1930's and 40's - they were particularly sadistic with pretty much anyone they conquered or took prisoner. Unit 731's 'medical studies' were particularly brutal although they may have made some scientific benefit (as the US pardoned the main culprits in exchange for the work).
Those provided eg: Huns, Mongols, Japanese aren't examples of democide though. As far as conquerers go, I don't think any one group is particularly bad as they all committed terrible, terrible acts.
Sorry for the late response, went away.
>>354149
this desu
Khmer Rouge makes ISIS look like babbies
