Who were the most based Germanic peoples, and why was it the Saxons?
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>>352523
Good breeding stock.
>>352530
Poetic
>>352523
Goths were most based
MUST
>>352536
Franks are Germanic
Where be the Celtic maidens?
Because they couldn't stop getting their shit rekt by various French people like Charlemagne and William the Bastard, not to mention fucking Vikings who were the shittiest warriors of their time, and ended up being completely irrelevant to history?
Wait that doesn't sound right.
The answer is very obviously Franks.
>>352548
Alfred and Charles were friends and kindred spirits; Christian kings who vanquished pagan foes.
>>352562
French are Franks, and therefore Germanic
>>352589
>not posting the French face
>>352589
>frogs
http://www.vox.com/2014/8/26/6067123/isis-poll
>>352597
Thanks pham, I was looking for these
>>352589
Doesn't make Saxons not bitches.
What era had the coolest helmets, and why was it the Vendel Period?
>>352624
Can't top the classic imo.
>>352610
>filename
>greentext is all I know
>>352617
>he says in English
>inb4 le Norman loan words
>>352636
>tfw on phone and no filename visible on webms
>>352624
this knight's mask is a mustached man laughing
>be filthy conscript
>given a spear by your commander
>thanks m'lord
>go into battle, enemy cavalry charges
>you filthy peasants band together like sardines
>enough spears pointing in one direction bring down some of the knights
>this nigga stands up after a few moments
>his armor shines in the midday sun
>slices open every foe who comes his way
>his face laughs at you
>die like the filthy peasant you are
really, any helmet to me is cool. coolest? impossible for me to choose
>>352640
>English
>Not an absolute bastard language
English is about as Anglo-Saxon as Haitian Creole is west African.
>>352651
>filename is "I got you cuz"
>>352640
Wreckt.
>>352660
No.
>>352660
>implying
>>352663
Luv u
>>352678
what are these colors?
It was not part of their blood,
It came to them very late,
With long arrears to make good,
When the Saxon began to hate.
They were not easily moved,
They were icy — willing to wait
Till every count should be proved,
Ere the Saxon began to hate.
Their voices were even and low.
Their eyes were level and straight.
There was neither sign nor show
When the Saxon began to hate.
It was not preached to the crowd.
It was not taught by the state.
No man spoke it aloud
When the Saxon began to hate.
It was not suddently bred.
It will not swiftly abate.
Through the chilled years ahead,
When Time shall count from the date
That the Saxon began to hate.
>>352678
>>352676
Silly boys.
"My son," said the Norman Baron, "I am dying, and you will be heir
To all the broad acres in England that William gave me for share
When he conquered the Saxon at Hastings, and a nice little handful it is.
But before you go over to rule it I want you to understand this:–
"The Saxon is not like us Normans. His manners are not so polite.
But he never means anything serious till he talks about justice and right.
When he stands like an ox in the furrow – with his sullen set eyes on your own,
And grumbles, 'This isn't fair dealing,' my son, leave the Saxon alone.
"You can horsewhip your Gascony archers, or torture your Picardy spears;
But don't try that game on the Saxon; you'll have the whole brood round your ears.
From the richest old Thane in the county to the poorest chained serf in the field,
They'll be at you and on you like hornets, and, if you are wise, you will yield.
"But first you must master their language, their dialect, proverbs and songs.
Don't trust any clerk to interpret when they come with the tale of their wrongs.
Let them know that you know what they're saying; let them feel that you know what to say.
Yes, even when you want to go hunting, hear 'em out if it takes you all day.
They'll drink every hour of the daylight and poach every hour of the dark.
It's the sport not the rabbits they're after (we've plenty of game in the park).
Don't hang them or cut off their fingers. That's wasteful as well as unkind,
For a hard-bitten, South-country poacher makes the best man- at-arms you can find.
"Appear with your wife and the children at their weddings and funerals and feasts.
Be polite but not friendly to Bishops; be good to all poor parish priests.
Say 'we,' 'us' and 'ours' when you're talking, instead of 'you fellows' and 'I.'
Don't ride over seeds; keep your temper; and never you tell 'em a lie!"
>>352684
Luv u moar, senpai desu
>filename is ooga booga wher da Latin women at
>>352689
Thanks, Kip
>>352686
The majority color is words of Germanic origin. Let's see if I can get a better image.
>>352693
Yes and? Unless you're reading a medical article 70% of the words you'll find are Germanic.
>>352704
Gold is for the mistress -- silver for the maid --
Copper for the craftsman cunning at his trade."
"Good!" said the Baron, sitting in his hall,
"But Iron -- Cold Iron -- is master of them all."
So he made rebellion 'gainst the King his liege,
Camped before his citadel and summoned it to siege.
"Nay!" said the cannoneer on the castle wall,
"But Iron -- Cold Iron -- shall be master of you all!"
Woe for the Baron and his knights so strong,
When the cruel cannon-balls laid 'em all along;
He was taken prisoner, he was cast in thrall,
And Iron -- Cold Iron -- was master of it all!
Yet his King spake kindly (ah, how kind a Lord!)
"What if I release thee now and give thee back thy sword?"
"Nay!" said the Baron, "mock not at my fall,
For Iron -- Cold Iron -- is master of men all."
"Tears are for the craven, prayers are for the clown --
Halters for the silly neck that cannot keep a crown."
"As my loss is grievous, so my hope is small,
For Iron -- Cold Iron -- must be master of men all!"
Yet his King made answer (few such Kings there be!)
"Here is Bread and here is Wine -- sit and sup with me.
Eat and drink in Mary's Name, the whiles I do recall
How Iron -- Cold Iron -- can be master of men all!"
He took the Wine and blessed it. He blessed and brake the Bread.
With His own Hands He served Them, and presently He said:
"See! These Hands they pierced with nails, outside My city wall,
Show Iron -- Cold Iron -- to be master of men all."
"Wounds are for the desperate, blows are for the strong.
Balm and oil for weary hearts all cut and bruised with wrong.
I forgive thy treason -- I redeem thy fall --
For Iron -- Cold Iron -- must be master of men all!"
"Crowns are for the valiant -- sceptres for the bold!
Thrones and powers for mighty men who dare to take and hold!"
"Nay!" said the Baron, kneeling in his hall,
"But Iron -- Cold Iron -- is master of men all!
Iron out of Calvary is master of men all!"
>>352523
It was.
No doubt about it.
>>352715
Different anon, I feel like English is too much of a mutt to be considered one group or the other
>>352715
I didn't say it wasn't Germanic, I said it was a bastard language that can scarcely be called Anglo-Saxon.
>>352523
Pic unrelated? That's an Anglian helmet desu senpai
>>352744
checked, but... what have you done?!
>mfw an argument is coming
>>352732
What a misleading sentence. You can form entire sentances in English using only Germanic words (even if it sounds a bit forced, it's still right), but no such thing can be done with the latinate loan words.
>>352744
>Anglo-Saxons
Lad
Hwaet!
A dream came to me
at deep midnight
when humankind kept their beds
– the dream of dreams!
I shall declare it.
It seemed I saw the Tree itself
borne on the air, light wound about it,
– a beam of brightest wood, a beacon clad
in overlapping gold, glancing gems
fair at its foot, and five stones
set in a crux flashed from the crosstree.
Around angels of God
all gazed upon it,
since first fashioning fair.
It was not a felon's gallows,
for holy ghosts beheld it there,
and men on mould, and the whole Making shone for it
– signum of victory!
Stained and marred,
stricken with shame, I saw the glory-tree
shine out gailey, sheathed in yellow
decorous gold; and gemstones made
for their Maker's Tree a right mail-coat.
Yet through the masking gold I might perceive
what terrible sufferings were once sustained thereon:
it bled from the right side.
Ruth in the heart.
Afraid I saw that unstill brightness
change raiment and color
– again clad in gold
or again slicked with sweat,
spangled with spilling blood.
Yet lying there a long while
I beheld, sorrowing, the Healer's Tree
till it seemed that I heard how it broke silence,
best of wood, and began to speak:
'Over that long remove my mind ranges
back to the holt where I was hewn down;
from my own stem I was struck away,
dragged off by strong enemies,
wrought into a roadside scaffold.
They made me a hoist for wrongdoers.
The soldiers on their shoulders bore me,
until on a hill-top they set me up;
many enemies made me fast there.
Then I saw, marching toward me,
mankind's brave King;
He came to climb upon me.
I dared not break or bend aside
against God's will, though the ground itself
shook at my feet. Fast I stood,
who falling could have felled them all.
Almighty God ungirded Him
eager to mount the gallows,
unafraid in the sight of many:
He would set free mankind.
I shook when His arms embraced me
but I durst not bow to ground,
stoop to Earth's surface.
Stand fast I must.
I was reared up, a rood
>>352539
Goths were cool as all hell, but they dropped the ball and now East Germanic languages are gone forever.
Understanding the proto-Germanic language will be hard now.
>>352693
Normans on suicide watch
>>352686
Here you are
>>352802
And even better
>>352780
I raised the great King,
liege lord of the heavens,
dared not lean from the true.
They drove me through with dark nails:
on me are the deep wounds manifest,
wide-mouthed hate-dents.
I durst not harm any of them.
How they mocked at us both!
I was all moist with blood
sprung from the Man's side
after He sent forth His soul.
Wry wierds a-many I underwent
up on that hill-top; saw the Lord of Hosts
stretched out stark. Darkness shrouded
the King's corse. Clouds wrapped
its clear shining. A shade went out
wan under cloud-pall. All creation wept,
Keened the King's death. Christ was on the Cross.
But there quickly came from far
earls to the One there. All that I beheld;
had grown weak with grief,
yet with glad will bent then
meek to those men's hands,
yielded Almighty God.
They lifted Him down from the leaden pain,
left me, the commanders,
standing in a sweat of blood.
I was all wounded with shafts.
They straightened out His strained limbs,
stood at His body's head,
looked down on the Lord of Heaven
– for a while He lay there resting –
set to contrive Him a tomb
in the sight of the Tree of Death,
carved it of bright stone,
laid in it the Bringer of Victory,
spent from the great struggle.
They began to speak the grief-song,
sad in the sinking light,
then thought to set out homeward;
their hearts were sick to death,
their most high Prince
they left to rest there with scant retinue.
Yet we three, weeping, a good while
stood in that place after the song had one up
from the captains' throats. Cold grew the corse,
fair soul-house.
They felled us all.
We crashed to ground, cruel Wierd,
and they delved for us a deep pit.
The Lord's men learnt of it,
His friends found me . . .
it was they who girt me with gold and silver . . .
>>352794
I would not say they dropped the ball. They had no more use for their own language once they migrated. They probably had tons of documents left over, but the many wars in Europe did away with most of them. They might have even had their own kind of rosetta stone. Who knows?
I just would be careful to blame the various Gothic tribes for the loss of their languages altogether.
>>352834
gotta protect that language pham
>Rosetta stone
The gothic language might have survived in Crimea up to even the Second World war, and knowing how the Nazis loved to record everything, if they found it they could have charted and analyzed it, but alas, we may never see those documents.
The Nazis renamed Crimean cities back to their Gothic names for goodness sake.
>>352880
True
And the Goths just based those names off of existing Greek cities they either took, moved into over time, or established themselves and wanted to sound smart.
>Gothiopolis
>seems legit
I could not imagine arriving in the land of Slavs and hearing the cousin of modern Germanic languages. It would actually make my jaw drop a little
>>352901
A Byzantine ship was forced by bad weather or something like that land in Gothia. The Byzantine scribe or so man there recorded how he spoke a Germanic tongue, and this was a huge shock to the crew.
They were there because they were the Ostrogoths who did not follow their leader in his invasion of Italy, funny enough.
>>352909
"Want to come raid Italy with us, then forge a new kingdom while dropping our language and old pagan beliefs?"
"Nah, senpai. We gonna settle in the Greek ruins in the Bosporus."
"K... bye"
>>352931
>language mostly confirmed to have lasted into the 18th Century
Gothic might have been spoken in Crimea when the US Declaration if Independence was drafted
They we're likely steppe rape babies at this point, but really, who had the last, dying, laugh? Not Theodoric.
>>352624
Sigh.... if I had the money....
>>352834
Goths have nothing to do with gothic architecture.
>>352640
What does English even have to do with Saxons?
>>352732
because these sentences are not exactly the same.
"Passage nur erlaubt mit spezieller Erlaubnis"
would be the translation from the french and english version.
You could have used the word "Passage" in german too. instead its :
"Walking in and driving in only with a special badge"
>tfw pure Goth genes
Where did Germanic people come from? Wikipedia says southern Scandinavia / northern Germany after the Nordic Bronze Age
but the Bronze Age ended 500bc, and the Germanic expansion started around 1ad
what were they doing for 500 years?
>>352689
>not in alliterative verse
Dropped
>>352651
>tfw on phone too
>tfw I tap the file description under the pic and it displays every filename regardless of filetype
>tfw you're a fag
>>353894
>What were they doing
Just German-ing around, living in tribes.
>>353141
Old English was the language of the Anglo-Saxons who migrated from the northern coasts of Germany to settle what would become England. We speak the modern version of that language.
>>353923
>tfw you're right
>tfw I'm retarded
>>352523
>Saxons
Before the VI century, Visigoths, afterwards, Franks.
Why were they migrating anyways?
>>354182
>Visigoths
Lmao they're gone, and with them, their language. No lasting legacy makes them pretty sad.
>>354204
Roman empire collapsing left power vacuums that they were aware of, AND Huns were driving eastern peoples westward.
>>352624
no argument here.
>>352635
That too is Vendelic.
>>354212
Who were the Huns? Did they become Slavs?
>>354220
No idea, save for the fact that the leadership is Altaic. They're more of a collection of Steppe Tribes and subjugated Germos
>>354228
>>354220
Huns came from the steppes to the east, which is more ethnically diverse than you would expect. We do know one thing for certain, and that is that they speak an Urallic language, like the Estonians, Finns, and tribal groups of Russia's interior. They came from the area of the Urals we assume, but then quickly became European after going full steppe-nigger.
>>354220
They likely merged with other steppe tribes and took up a different name as was common for nomadic people at the time.
>>353894
Probably petty kings and tribal organization
The "expansion" actually started with migrations for several reasons: bad living conditions, bad climate in general.
They didnt have imperial ambitions, they wanted new land to settle in, so expansion is not a good term desu
During the Great Migrations the tribes settled, consolidated and then started to expand their now settled new "homeland"
>>354205
>no lasting legacy
>>354205
>No lasting legacy
Middle ages laws in Spain were still called Visigothic, Pelagio was a Visigothic nobleman who started the reconquista
In the 1500's in some church meeting bishops from Spain, Denmark and Sweden were discussing which one of their countries were the most Gothic, trying to claim past glory.
In terms of language you're right though, since the Visigoths settled in an already established and wealthy area with urban population centres
A lot of the "moorish" architecture from Southern Spain is actually Visigothic
>>354351
Fair enough, but it seems they became to Latin.
In Antiquity, I think the Vandals were the most badass. Look at what Gaiseric the Lame was able to accomplish in his lifetime. Too bad his successors couldn't consolidate.
I also think the Lombards were interesting. Imagine if Arian Christianity dominated Spain, Portugal, Italy, and France because they refused to become Catholic.
I admire pre-1066 Anglo-Saxon culture. A real shame its arts and crafts were decimated by the Normans.
>>352658
The guy wearing such armor was quite likely to get killed by cannonballs, handguns or end up being impaled on a pike.
>>354351
The Visigothic Kingdom was the worst Kingdom ever though. It was a total joke. It's like their policy was to follow the late Roman empire.
>>352730
Widukind got his revenge after all.
Should old English sound more like middle low German rather than modern high german?
>>353881
Gothic from Gotland?
>>355674
>>355697
Frisian is the closest language to resemble Old English. So it's West Germanic with a unique Brythonic influence.
>>355687
>mfw when a century after Charlemagne's death, Conrad is elected Holy Roman Emperor, thus establishing the Saxon dynasty
From a former defeated people to Emperors of the political entity that Charlemagne created. Not too bad for former pagans.
>>355735
>Conrad
The first HRE was Otto I. Don't worry, he was saxon anyway.
hey guys, can you guess what this Scots sentence means?
Lufe God abufe al and yi nychtbour as yi self
>>356149
love god above all and your neighbor as yourself
>>356156
bingo
At Hallowmas, whan nights grow lang,
And starnies shine fu' clear,
Whan fock, the nippin cauld to bang,
Their winter hap-warms wear,
Near Edinbrough a fair there hads,
I wat there's nane whase name is,
For strappin dames an sturdy lads,
And cap and stoup, mair famous
Than it that day.
Here is some Frisian.
Try not to focus to much on the vowels and you could probably read it.
Winter is kald, simmer is hjit. Ik lyk de waarmte en myld weder de best.
Wy had in floed oer de nacht. De grun steit is wiet. De rein was dien by de moarn.
And some Old Frisian
Tha brochtema tha heran thogathere
tha stoden se en etmel al umbe. Tha let thi koningh Karle
sine handscho falla. Tha rachtene him thi koning Redbad.
Tha quat thi koningh Karle: ‘A ha, a ha. That land is min!’, and
hlackade – alder umbe hat sin urth Hachense. ‘Hweer umbe?’,
quat Redbad. That quat Karle: y sind myn man worden’.
>>356181
Winter is cold, summer is hot. I like the warmth in mild weather the best.
We had a flood over the night. The ground still is wet. The rain was done by the morning.
>>356200
ten points for hufflepuff.
now the old bit.
>>356181
>Tha brochtema tha heran thogathere
Then brought the here (army) together?
>Tha quat thi koningh Karle: ‘A ha, a ha. That land is min!’, and
Then quethed (said) the king Karl, "Aahahah that land is mine!"
Sorry that's the best I can do.
>>356245
In modern dutch
Toen bracht men de heren tezamen. Toen stonden zij een etmaal lang stil. Toen liet koning Karel zijn handschoen vallen. Toen reikte koning Redbad hem die aan. Toen sprak koning Karel: “Aha, aha, het land is van mij”, en lachte. Daarom heet zijn plaats Hachense. “Waarom?”, sprak Redbad. Toen sprak Karel: “U bent mijn man [leenman] geworden”
Then he brought the lords together
Then they stood still for 24 hours/whole day (etmel= whole day)
Then king Charlemagne dropped his glove (Handscho=glove literally handshoe) (falla = dropped)
Then king Redbad handed it to him
Then spoke the king Charlemagne: 'A ha,a ha. The land is mine!' and laughed
alder umbe hat sin urth Hachense = That's why his place is called Hachense? (No clue what this is supposed to mean either)
Why? said Redbad.
Then Charlemagne said: 'You have become my vassal'
It's hard without the context.
>>356314
You can here the whole paragraph spoken here.
http://www.vogala.org/tekst/oudfries-karel-en-redbad
>>355674
Cannonballs, maybe.
>Haselrig was shot three times at Roundway Down, with the bullets apparently bouncing off his armour. After firing a pistol at Haselrig's helmeted head at close range without any effect Richard Atkyns described how he attacked him with his sword, but it too caused no visible damage; Haselrig was under attack from a number of people and only succumbed when Atkyns attacked his unarmoured horse. After the death of his horse Haselrig tried to surrender; but as he fumbled with his sword, which was tied to his wrist, he was rescued. He suffered only minor wounds from his ordeal.
>>356364
Some days you got lucky.
>>356314
>Then he brought the lords together
Ah, so that was Herr
>>356424
If you're a dirty kraut yeah.
>>352954
Crimean gothic was really just a west germanic language containing some gothic words
>>356461
u wot
>>356710
why does this even matter?
>>356710
Why are you telling lies?
>>353963
It's been so heavily bastardized and in any case has had 1000 years of drift. "Modern version" is a misnomer.
>>356716
it doesn't really, but modern-day reenactors shouldn't get carried away...
>>356724
>My liege! We have made contact with the enemy! Only 2000 long strides of the horse!
>Filthy swine, well let us meet them and send them to Hell! To arms!
>Cedric, boy, fetch me my arms and helmet!
>The sturdy steel one that doesn't stand out too much, m'lord?
>NO FOOL, the one in soft metal of precious silver and gold that could not stop an arrow made of butter. The very same with fine engravings that took 2000 hours. I want to shine like a condemned heathen covered in pitch and burned at midnight under a new moon sky. I want every enemy archer to know exactly where I am. No matter if such a helmet knocked off and carried away by villains represents a decade of toil for the average city-dwelling merchant. I am fab-u-lous, and the enemy will know it!
>uh, m'lord, a-are you serious?
>DOES IT LOOK LIKE I'M JOKING?
>>356816
You do realize fire gilding doesn't really change the protective value of it do you?
>>356831
>>356873
>>356831
Pic related probably wasn't far from the truth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leqHnUM64HU&list=RDleqHnUM64HU#t=5
>>356873
But that's tents pham.
But you're probably right, you don't take grandfather's decorative hunting shotgun into the trenches, even if it could work as well as any other.
I'd wear it when I had to meet with other kingdoms' leaders, for the badass factor.
>>356892
Many folks went into battle with golden or gilded armor and for a large period of time it probably increased the chance of you coming out of that engagement alive.
Morale was a big thing too and without something on the armor to signify you are the king they wouldn't know whose who.
Realistically though the guys who could afford a helmet like the Sutton Hoo one could afford a bunch more and wouldn't be to bothered about it getting used.
>>356913
True, I'd imagine
>>356875
I didn't say it wasn't, I said it's been heavily bastardized. Calling it 'modern version' hardly does English justice. Separate but closely-related old northern Germanic dialects creolized with (Norman) French, Norse, and heavy doses of Latin and some Greek, plus a wee bit of Britonic/Celtic here and there. Languages in contact long enough will create creoles, which again given time became new languages. Although the 1000 years of drift has also re-introduced all kinds of irregularity and complexity.
I speak German and live here in Germany, so I can clearly see the cognates with English. But as a Germanic language, English is the weird fucking uncle at the table.
>>357010
Do you speak any other Germanic languages besides German and English?
Also a creole is a nativized pidgin, English was never a pidgin.
>>357010
you aren't totally wrong, but its still a majority Germanic-vocabulary even in a medical article. In common speak, its even more Germanic, with 70-80% Old English origin vocabulary. It is the modern version, even if that means the modern version is unintelligible from the old version. Norse and Celtic words are novelties, Latin and Greek are used about entirely in medical vocab, and the most foreign influence is Norman words that took over in the finer words, and that's it.
>>357010
maybe it's a misunderstanding of what you mean when you say Creole language. English is not a creole language.
>>356816
>implying they made the armour out of gold and silver instead of steel
>implying they wouldnt put gold and silver on top of the steel
>implying half the point of armour isnt to show off how rich and powerful and rich and important and rich you are
>implying making it obvious who you are cant come in handy when the guy on the other side can recognise you and take you prisoner for ransom instead of just cutting your throat
>implying they didnt then cover their armour with extremely bright and garish cloth showing exactly who they are for all to see anyway
>implying the king wouldnt have people wearing the royal coat of arms as well as him to try and hide exactly where he is
>>357010
>Although the 1000 years of drift has also re-introduced all kinds of irregularity and complexity.
What kind of irregularities and complexity are you talking about?
>>357034
I can understand Dutch ('passively' -- hearing and reading) fairly well. Not everything, but maybe 60-70%. I live in northern Germany and have met a lot of Platt speakers as well... takes some getting used to, but I can kinda understand as well. My grandfather was Swedish and I have relatives there, so I understand a smattering of Swedish too (I've made a tiny bit of headway into Danish lately).
Apart from English and German, well I can embarrass myself when I've had a few drinks, but I wouldn't seriously claim any ability to speak those others.
In Britain of 1000 years ago, it's not as if each language family got together and decided what words or grammar should be used. English developed organically, slightly different in various regions, and then came together as England coalesced. Pidgin probably never happened, no, because the Germanic dialects were close enough. But native Britons also adopted the language, so absolutely there was some simplification going on. English's strong focus on time/tense is rather unique for a Germanic language (different tenses exist, but aren't used nearly as much)
>>357035
>Latin and Greek are used about entirely in medical vocab, and the most foreign influence is Norman words that took over in the finer words, and that's it.
quite a simplification...
>>357042
No, not anymore. But in its early days, it certainly could have qualified as one. Anyway it's not a claim I seriously make, just something to think about it. English does not have "pure" linear origins. Few languages do, especially today, but compared to pedigrees like Basque or Finnish or Greek, English a mutt. A loveable mutt, to be sure.
>>357049
All irregular verbs, for a starter (which most languages also have, of course).
English spelling/pronunciation is a nightmare.
Although modern English only has three articles (the, a, and the invisible 'zero-article'), the rules about using them are pretty confusing to a lot of non-native learners. I think it's one of the harder things to perfect.
A lot of learners also struggle with when to use the past and present perfect. There are conflicting 'rules' about this.
>>357077
>quite a simplification...
It's the truth though. I enjoy your attitude on this, it seems like we can actually talk.
>Finnish pedigree
I last heard they had less than 400 words of Urallic origin.
>>357089
How much irregular verbs would you say English had compared to German?
>>357089
A swede here without any significant knowledge in the history of the germanic languages, care to explain how far away swedish is from other germanic languages?
>>357451
Not him, but Swedish is just a North Germanic language as I understand it. Nothing too special.
>>352693
>vocabulary
>origin
Please tell me you're only pretending to be a retard.
>>352562
>charlemagne
>french
You might as well call him belgian or dutch, since the Franks were made up of west-germanic tribes
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>>357121
Latin- Greek- and French-origin words are used far more often than in just medical contexts. If you explore English etymology, you'll discover that very quickly. But it is somewhat true that they belong to a higher register. Basic peasant-speech could be done with almost entirely Anglo-Saxan origin words. There are some books about and examples out there of what a 'pure' Anglo-Saxon modern English would sound like, taking into account vowel or consonant shifts, grammar simplification, etc, etc. If you have an understanding of Germanic roots of English, it is easier, but still mostly incomprehensible to the average person I'd reckon.
>>357595
Well it's definitely a Germanic language, but one can sense it's more removed from west-Germanics. Swedish is not so difficult in my personal opinion, but I think this is always a subjective and relative thing. A Greek, Chinese or Brazilian or even American with no other language knowledge might disagree a lot, because they (obviously) come from other language families or aren't used to automatically looking for cognates (and in the same family of course there are a lot!). The difficult thing in Swedish might be mastering the 'sing-songiness' (tone accents, you know what I mean). Pronunciation in any language takes some work, but I find Swedish not that hard. Maybe because I do have relatives and have heard them speaking Swedish occasionally from a young age... I haven't studied Swedish very formally, but I'd say all the grammar basics seem relatively simple enough. Plurals can be annoying. The article system is more complicated than English, but way easier than German. Takes some getting used to, but it's OK honestly.
I think Swedish is the 'easiest' Scandinavian language, but that's just me. The single hardest thing is probably that so many Swedes speak decent English and will use it, so one can survive in Sweden without speaking Swedish.
>>358330
Are you 12? Stop shitting up the board
>>358330
Thanks, as a native swedish speaker i feel both danish and norwegian is as easy learning since it feels almost like just another dialect
>>352697
Edelmir
my son
>>358827
Yuo are man nao
>why was it the Saxons?
topkek
The most based germanic people were the Franks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvKRbi2ovDY
>>359050
>Saxons later take the throne
I'm ok with this
English is still a Germanic language because it's core grammar and vocab are Germanic
>>357010
Lo say can you see by the dawn's early light
What so lonkly we gret at the twilight's last gleaming,
Whose broad rands and bright stars through the freachenful fight,
O'er the earthwalls we watched, were so unheanly streaming?
And the meedens' red glare, the boomers bursting 'gainst the heavens,
showed truly through the night that our Fane was still there,
Lo say does that Star-Spangled Godweb yet wave,
o'er the land of the free, and the home of the bold?
>>359712
Norman conquest was a mistake
