>>347014
Because they weren't shit beforehand

Marshall Plan for West Germany and massive US aid with the most generous tariffs in history for Japan.

The US almost fucked itself over trying to make Japan powerful again. We did the same for China and it's fucking us over again.

>>347030
Shut up anglo, the chinese are just wise to the anglo menace and took advantage of the cold war.

>>347030

What did the US gain by helping them so much?

>>347042

Mostly aid and support against the USSR, which was emerging as the new big problem. A country in their debt and pocket wasn't likely to go full commie, and the rebuilding itself was good for stability, preventing outbreaks of civil war, you didn't want another China happening.

>>347042
>What did the US gain by helping them so much?
South Korea, and another 10 years of South Vietnam.

>>347026
This

>be Germany
>ally with Japan in hopes they'll attack the USSR
>Japan signs non-aggression pact with Stalin instead
>never help each other out in any way at all

Remind me again why Hetalia is taken seriously at all?

>>347026
/thread

>>347030
How so? Creating competition?

>>347042
Massive industrial stimulus.

They gave billions out, but most of it was used to buy american goods.

>>347065
Technichally it split allied resources.

>>347026
This
Post-war global economy had shitloads of demand and not enough supply so it was very easy to rebuild their economies.

For example, purely hypothetically, say Germany had a huge market share in production of clocks in the 1930, but in the span of a few years German clock production goes way down because their factories are bombed or converted to production of war materiel. So, 1946 rolls around and the price of clocks is now skyhigh. Who will step in and make some clocks? Probably the guys that already have the skillset, tools, and existing facilities (if in need of some repairs) to manufacture them.

>>347042
After the war the USA had HALF of humanity's production capacity and no more war to produce for. The only way to avoid collapse was to create fertile markets to sell goods to by rebuilding the ruined world.

The Marshall plan wasn't so much to defend against the commies so much as hate for commies was because they were a threat to the very essence of the Marshall plan. Communist countries aren't fertile markets in which to sell goods.

>>347124
Was the US economy so dependent of exports by 1945?

I doubt it

>>347042
Anime and cheap consumer electronics

>>347150
>dependent of
dependent on

And it was dependent upon a massive capacity to realise profit (the war) which has just been stripped away. Marshall plan loans kept heavy industry going and avoided the kind of recession that the UK or Australia suffered.

>>347150
Well, yes. The entire economy was devoted to producing goods for the war effort, which as you can imagine meant that after the war, even with the massive amount of money that people had due to bonds, army pay, factory pay, savings from lack of consumer goods etc there still was far more supply available than demand.

>>347150
The US economy was dependent on building all those new homes and cars that the US government was virtually giving away to returning veterans. The exports came later.

>>347014
Not all of germany did.

>>347030
The Japanese buying up everything in the 90's
wasn't a bad thing, it was just a shame the asian market imploded before it became permanent.

The Chinese buying up everything is much much worse.

>>347089

The Chinese can only run industry based on shitty quality, corporate espionage, corruption, and direct gov't intervention.

Actually create self sustaining, and original quality product that people will willingly buy is not something they're capable of.

They literally cannot into western capitalism.

>>347201
>The Chinese buying up everything is much much worse.
Why?

>>347229
did you not read the other half of the post?

>>347014
Both countries were key strategic players for the United States (and in Germany's case, the USSR).

Tons of Marshall Plan money went over to German for a couple reasons. Germany, being split in half communist/capitalist, was a global stage for the communist "experiment" and neither side wanted to lose.

Another reason it got US cash was also because a strong, friendly Germany was a good buffer zone to prevent the spread of communism into Western Europe (and conversely, the spread of capitalism into Eastern Europe). Many NATO forces were stationed in Germany because that is where Russians would have advanced through in an invasion of mainland Europe and the same goes for an invasion of Eastern Europe/Russia. Basically both sides won with a strong Germany, so they were more than willing to help.

In Japan's case the USA had the opportunity to establish a presence in Asia through a powerful industrial nation. Investment in Japan gave the US a permanent stronghold in Asia to counterbalance China and other communist governments and 'box them in' in a way. Same reason why we buddied up with South Korea and same reason why we're now trying to get into Vietnam's pants.

In the case of both countries they still had largely educated populaces that could be extremely productive if given the correct tools and materials, and the USA/USSR provided ample tools and materials for them to use.

>>347042
anime

>>347235
No... but regardless, I thought you were talking about the Chinese buying up US debt. What you mentioned seemed to be a separate issue that, tragic though it may be, only really affects China.

Also, it's my understanding that Chinese business simply lacks good management. They have developed a work force for producing lots of cheap goods but the managerial methods for fostering innovation is lacking. That is to be expected of economy at China's stage of development. They want to become post-industrial so they are currently hiring managers from abroad.

80% of the world economy for about two centuries and a good foothold against Russia/China respectively

bigger question is: why doesn't America apply what they did to Japan to the middle east?

>>347371
>why doesn't the US fiddle with the middle east some more?
Funding Saudi Arabia's enemy nations is not in Saudi Arabia's/Israel's interest, thus the U.S. leaves the middle east shit to keep gas prices low

>>347371
Massive, MASSIVE differences between Japan and the middle east. Shit just won't work the same.

>>347338
The Chinese are actually screwing themselves buying up US debt though.

The US has always been in debt who holds that debt is irrelevant, whats more important is whats our Debt to GDP rate.

And yes I was referencing their piss poor corporate management and innovation, as evident with poisoned milk, forcing foreign companies to partner with Chinese Gov't owned companies, and blatant copyright infringement.

The more companies they start buying up, I fear the more we'll even worse quality standards for what were once respectable companies.

I work for a hong kong based company that sells product mostly made in china, and imported into the us and those fuckers can't do a damn thing right.

>>347371
Arabs don't have the same work ethic. Unless you mean nuke them.

>>347397
I guess the nukes were a big factor

when Japan surrendered there was no chance of them devolving into several fringe groups because they knew we were crazy enough to nuke them twice. That and we destroyed the samurai class which was the only guys that were violent and was mostly reserved for the elite whereas everyone and their grandma can be a jihadist.

>>347397
>The more companies they start buying up, I fear the more we'll even worse quality standards for what were once respectable companies.
The more companies they start buying up, I fear the more we'll even worse quality standards for what were once respectable companies.
Don't be so grim, my man. They probably said the same thing about Japan when Japan made nothing but cheap crap.

>>347500
Yes but the Japanese weren't making as much cheap unreliable shit in the 90's as say the 70's and earlier, their manufacturing process could stand on their own.

The reason people were fearing the Japanese were buying shit was for nationalistic reasons fear of the decline of American ingenuity etc etc., more than anything.

And even when the Japanese were still making cheap shit, it was engineered well, part of the reason once their cars got a foot hold after the oil crisis of the 70's they stayed here.

The Chinese are worse for stated reasons, and often they're unreasonably arrogant. China has chance in following the path of the Japanese, but I'm highly doubt that they will achieve what the Japs did if they keep trying to take shortcuts.

>>347583
I was referring to "the 70's and earlier".

>The Chinese are worse for stated reasons, and often they're unreasonably arrogant. China has chance in following the path of the Japanese, but I'm highly doubt that they will achieve what the Japs did if they keep trying to take shortcuts.
You are being too grim! China is a big country. Some businesses will fail and some will succeed. Those that succeed will continue on and inspire more businesses to do things the right way. And as I said China is trying to bring in foreign help in a big way to teach them how to manage workers and businesses well.

>>347615
The fear of the Japanese taking over was in the late 80's early 90's and did not exist in the 70's.

The movie Die Hard was made about that time and the setting of the movie was in a newly built skyscraper, built by a Japanese conglomerate. Referencing the rising buying power of the Japs at the time.

And where you see "bringing in foreign help" I see attempts corporate espionage.

>>347629
>The fear of the Japanese taking over was in the late 80's early 90's and did not exist in the 70's.
I was never talking about anyone being afraid of Japan or China. Japan made cheap shit before they made robots and shit. China is in the process of transitioning out of cheap shit.

>And where you see "bringing in foreign help" I see attempts corporate espionage.
I'm not going to say that is never the case but you are being irrationally cynical at this point. China has a legit deficiency in management skill and they are doing exactly what they need to do to fix it.

>>347642
>Japan made cheap shit before they made robots and shit

we wuz da kings and shit

>>347042
We got weird porn, allies/lapdogs, forward military bases in spitting distance from the USSR, and massive markets for American exports.

>>347014
YUM YUM AMERICUM

>>347014

Germany did because Germans are based and will work hard to do whatever they can to make themselves and their lives better. Or at least that generation was.

Japan was completely rebuilt by the USA, and then as a result of the nuclear umbrella they never had to spend a yen on defense, pouring tons of money into infrastructure. Now like every other spoiled child they are incapable of living on their own and will be pulverized by the first country that seriously moves on them.

>>347014
Fuck off with your gay nazi anime, you homo faggot

>>348242
>What is the JSDF

>>348287

Oh come on. Less than 1% of the GDP is spent on this bullshit organization. They can't stand up to one Chinese fishing boat without screaming for their daddy to come and help.

>>348294
Oh, so you don't know anything about the JDSF, Less time wasted then.