ITT: the three things in history you would change if you could.
Mine:
>Byzantium wouldn't fall to the Turks
>Scotland and England wouldn't unite
>No WWI
>Moors conquer Europe
>Olmec civilization flourishes into the modern day
>Egypt never undergoes Arabization
>>343954
>the Sima family never usurps the Cao family so China doesn't go under the Jin dynasty which lead to the Wu Hu uprising and subsequent growth of nomadic steppe powers which prevents the Xianbei, Shatuo Turks, Khitans, Jurchens, Mongols and Manchus from ever becoming powerful
>Lenin dying
>Soviet Union dissolving
>9/11
>Hannibal sacking Rome
>No Arab conquests
>No mongol invasions
Varus gives the legions back
Stalin gets assassinated in 19 or so
Leon Blum decides to support republican Spain as needed until the fascists are defeated.
>Spartakist revolution successfull
>America never break the monroe act (the treaty that they say we just mind our business)
>kill Napoleon
>>343954
>The Nazis destabilising Russia (and killing Stalin) but still crippling themselves in the process enough to eventually lose the war
>The Allies partition Isreal into two states and actively manage them
>The US and UK don't fuckup Iran in the 50's just for the sake of BP
>Anthemius' invasion of the Vandals should have been successful
>Byzantium succeeding at keeping the Holy Land and Italy
>Socialist victory in Cold War
>>343954
Abrahamic religions never happen.
Steppe niggers stay at home
Colonisation never happens.
>>343954
Recent
>no 1953 Iranian coup d'état
>no formation of Israel
>no 9/11
Further back.
>no genocide of Native Americans
>no world wars
>no Muslim conquests beyond Arabian peninsula
>>343954
Anon, I just need one:
>The Roman empire never breaks up or falls.
Then onto to conquer the rest of the world.
>Rome conquers Germany
>Rome and Parthia share a religion
>Rome and Parthia unite
>>343954
>Sailors of kronstad create glorious revolution within the glorious revolution instead of being killed
>Stop thatcher and reagan getting elected
>mexico keeps it murrican clay
To be honest I'd only get the Germans to win WWI at the Battle of the Marne
>No Nazis
>No WWII
>No Bolshevik revolution
>Millions of young lives aren't extinguished for years afterward
>no Islamic expansion (and therefore we keep Byzantium, Egypt, Persia etc. with their old cultures)
>Roman Empire stays around forever+
>no WW1*
>Incas & Aztecs stay around
*I know these two don't make sense at the same time
>Germany win WWI
>America gets rid of slavery at the revolution
>Red Scares never happen
I made life in the West easier now.
>India doesn't get conquered by Muslims
>Islam never happens
>Indian Aryans don't breed with Dravidian and other inferior races
I'd be the master race
>>343954
>Marcus Aurelius chooses a worthy successor instead of his child
>The 1454 Italic League becomes a full fledged federation
>Mussolini signs the Hoare-Laval proposal as soon as it's offered
>Carthage wins the Punic wars
>Alexander doesn't die at 30 and instead goes further into the steppes, eventually getting to the Bering Strait and discovers America
>Jews are completely Hellenized
>>344044
>hannibal sacking rome
Are pretending to be stupid or are you just on the wrong board
>>344827
>>Marcus Aurelius chooses a worthy successor instead of his child
I thought Commodus was actually a pretty decent ruler, unlike what the film portrays.
Murrica loses the Revolutionary War
Charlemagne never invades Britain
Marx never writes his Manifesto
>>343954
>no guns.
>Genghis institutes a lasting, stable, succession based in Qara Qorum.
>Ogedei converts to Catholicism.
>>344851
>Genghis institutes a lasting, stable, succession
He did. Ogedai fucked it up by not sponsoring a successor before he suddenly died.
>>343954
>the first homids are never born
>the first life forms are never born
>earth is never formed
>>343954
>No Great Schism so the orthodox remain under the papacy
>Mohammed never invents Islam
>No French Revolution
>>344839
>I thought Commodus was actually a pretty decent ruler
Was he? All I know is what Cassius Dio and Herodian wrote, in which he appears like a second Nero.
Where did you read otherwise?
>>344863
Top shitpost
>>344842
>marx never writes his manifesto
Then you would just have to deal with other types of socialist. He didn't invent the idea.
Also anarchists might just have totally fucked your shit up.
>>343969
kek
>>344744
Why would you want the world poorer?
>>343954
>Gavrilo Princip fails to assassinate archduke Franz Ferdinand
The Danubian Federation is formed
>Kaiser Wilhelm is not retarded, he doesn't violate Belgium's independence and renews the non-aggression pact with Russia, so he ends up fighting only France (those Italian fuckers don't change sides because the Central Powers are winning)
The Central Powers win WW1 (its outbreak was inevetable, in this history, it happend over some other damned foolish thing in the Balkans), therefore Germany cuts back on revanchism and the Austrian Empire lives on (as the previously mentioned Danubian federation), in the end, that means that WW2 doesn't happen and the Balkans are not the shitfest they are today because they are part of a powerful empire
>either the Achaemenid Empire doesn't fall to Alexander or Alexander founds an extremely successful, prosperous and stable dynasty
I won't even argue this, I'm a massive Persiaboo but wouldn't mind if Alexander ruled it.
>>344004
>Lenin dying
>Soviet Union dissolving
>>344057
>Stalin gets assassinated in 19 or so
>>344070
>Spartakist revolution successfull
>>344124
>Socialist victory in Cold War
lmao
>>344851
>based in Qara Qorum
For what purpose? Not even his far east based grandkid chose to retain that place, why would the ruler of a pan-asian empire? Samarkand would have been far more appropriate both for importance and location, or literally any other administrative centre of the conquered regions.
>>344880
Because it gives us something to strive for.
At the moment we are in the endzone, but we've mangled ourself, some nihilist consumerist society where we are always constantly being brainwashed by the cynics running advertising firms and media companies.
basically, neo-liberalism and post modern society sucks ass
>>344891
>those Italian fuckers don't change sides because the Central Powers are winning
If the central powers are winning Italy just doesn't join the war most likely. The jingoist faction was completely motivated by irredentism.
A few others :
Instead of deleting Carthage, Rome deports it out of the mediterranean, to cape verde, where it rebuilds an empire and proceeds to civilize subsaharan africa.
The non-christian norse emigrate massively into vinland, and get friendly with some locals, and european technologies and techniques spread in america faster than smallpox.
Napoleon finishes Wellington before going into Russia, he really unites europe from Lisbon to Kiev instead of setting up his family as kings, and makes Vienna his capital, then in 1848 socialists overthrow him...
>Tito is born as a Russian and rises to the top.
>Latin America never gets its shit fucked up in the 20th century
>Lincoln not assassinated so the reconstruction wasn't quite so damaging
one final one, just for personal reasons
>the English break Scotland like we broke the Welsh
>>344906
Because i think the long trek to mongolia would do their vassals good.
Its also a clean start. They arent a chinese dynasty and they arent going to need to be surrounded by muslims.
>russia never annexes Finland and so Finland stays part of Swedish Empire
>>343954
>Germany doesn't invade Poland. People don't hate Germany, eventually national socialism spreads across Europe and interest on loans and privately owned banks are abolished.
>Lenin is executed instead of being exiled from Russia.
>White Russians beat red Russians in the 20s
>all former slaves are deported to Africa following the end of the American civil war.
>Norman conquest fails. The English language and culture retain their uniqueness.
>>345035
>implying Latin America ever had their shit together.
Mine would be
>ottoman empire keeps up with europe
>it gives equ rights to everyone earlier
>it introduces the parlaiment earlier
Just think of what type of unique cultures would come out of such a melting pot, it would be great I think.
>Christianity
>Varus
I don't think anything else is needed.
>>343954
>Mohamed getting killed in battle way earlier and his cult religion staying in the shithole known as Arabia
>Bismarck not getting sacked
>Early american cultures actually learning writing.
>>345040
>Because i think the long trek to mongolia would do their vassals good.
Oh yeah, a world of good will make them to leave their countries for months, it's not gonna invite any sort of rebellion at all, I'm sure.
>American civilizations (Aztecs, Mayas, Incas) flourishing on par with the Greeks and Persians
>No Mohammed
>No communism
>>343954
Me being born.
>>343954
>>Byzantium wouldn't fall to the Turks
>The fall of Constantinople fueled the Renaissance
>Made western europe look for alternative routes to the far east, beginning the age of exploration and, with that, european dominance
So why would you change it?
>>344444
>no genocide of Native Americans
You do realize genocide has a very specific definition right? It's not just any mass death.
>>344444
Nice numbers. Nice choices.
>>343954
>Scotland and England wouldn't unite
question though, how exactly would you prevent that happening?
The way intermarriages were happening, it was bound to have both countries united under one king, someone like James I would've ascended the throne eventually.
>No Norman conquest, Anglo-Saxon culture remains pure and distinct
>No fourth crusade/Constantinople remains Christian
>east Germanic languages stay alive
This is my autism
>>344167
This I like. But
>steppe niggers stay at home
should be phrased a little more precisely, otherwise we'd still be all Old Europeans.
>>345143
I think he means the act of union pal.
>>344444
You realize most native Americans were decimated by disease right?
After that them being marginalized by European settlers was eventuality due to sheer numbers.
>>345111
>Melting pot
>>345075
>>all former slaves are deported to Africa following the end of the American civil war.
>Deporting American natives at that point
>Islam never happens
>Jesus dies as a child
>Abraham dies childless
I just saved billions of adults from fairy tales
>The Crusades suceed, modern christian state of Israel
>Latin America keeps up with the rest of the West after getting independence from Spain
>Breznev wasn't born, the Soviet Union doesn't collapse, Cold War still on-going
>>345178
Of course, because religion didn't exist before Jesus or Muhammad.
Stupid fuck
I would make it so that the Sahara never dried up. If it didn't dry up, West Africa would have a MUCH easier time trading gold, salt, iron, and other things. Who knows? Maybe even West African countries would try to colonize parts in Africa, or the Americas.
Pic related, what it used to be during the Neolithic
>>345190
forgot pic
>>344794
>>America gets rid of slavery at the revolution
That would be pretty good.
>>345172
He's got a point tho. Slavery was fucked up not just in that you were enslaving humans, but that you've created a massive social division.
If you want to fix it all, you've got to put them back where you got them.
>>345188
lol. you 8 the b8 newfag
>>345190
Why did it dry up?
>>345190
If the Sahara wouldn't have dried the human species would not have had a reason to leave.
We'd still all be hanging in trees throwing poop at each other.
>>345214
End of the ice age meant higher temperatures. Same reason as why Europe was colonized.
>>345215
Explain
>>344842
Charlemagne invaded Britain?
>>345146
It's a good kind of autism.
>>344124
>Anthemius' invasion
Just read about it. What if Western Roman Empire could retake the highly profitable Africa and return with experienced troops against visigoths. Shit, we still might have rome.
>>345221
At the onset of the ending of last ice age the Sahara dried and the species that were inhabiting that area, including our ancestors, were forced south or north depending on location.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistoric_North_Africa#Saharan_Climate_and_Human_Migration
>>345215
The Sahara is quiet "young", about 7 million years old. Besides, it wasn't all desert all the time.
Also, humans evolved in East Africa, along with early hominins (barring the Eurasian species, who's ancestors left Africa and evolved there). Wouldn't be too much of a problem, considering humans left Africa through Egypt.
>>345286
Uh, doesn't this mean the green Sahara was the perfect time to leave Africa? It's not like our ancestors were in trees then, we were fully modern humans during the OOA movement.
>Crusaders don't ravage Byzantium on their way to the Holy Land
>Money-grubbing American colonial rebels executed by HM's troops after their revolt is put down
>French Revolution fails
>>343954
>Napoleon not losing at Waterloo
>No Bismarck uniting Germany
>no Iranian revolution
>>345322
>no American Indepence
Would've been GOAT mate, we could still make fun of those shitty amerilards about how they had to ask Britain in the late 20th century to lift their hand off of them.
>Hitler becomes a famous a painter
>Pneumatic tubes take the delivery market instead of automobiles
>H.G. Wells political ideas are more influential
The Fourth Crusade was fucking bullshit and I want the heads of all responsible.
>>345286
Moronic interpretation mate, our ancestors were leaving the "paradise" way before that because hominids are not naturally inclined to stay in one place for ever
>>345427
I don't think that Hitler made a huge difference, Germany was desperate for a strong leader, they would've found someone else
>>343954
Sasssanid Empire never falling to the Arabs
Iran remaining pre-Islamic in its faith and religion
Byzantine Empire never failling to the Turks
>>344760
This desu senpai
>>344851
>>no guns
They'd happen eventually.
Basic guns are way fucking easy to make, and people always try to find the best way to kill each other.
>>345407
#triggered
>>343954
>Italy unifies during The Renaissance and ends up rivaling Portugal and Spain for colonial power
>Japan colonizes Sakhalin and Kamchatka before the Russians.
>Pan-Nordism results in a unified Scandinavian state
>>345407
>No Bismarck uniting Germany
You stay the fuck away from senpai
>Napoleon sends forward scouts, realizes the Russians have done his job for him and returns to central europe to consolidate
>Optimates work with Tiberius Gracchus for agrarian reform and expanded citizenship instead of being shits
>Abraham trips on a rock in his 20's and dies
>>343954
>Attila never comes to power
No Germanic migrations, and Rome would be secure
>Pala dynasty conquer south India
India unified and becomes Buddhist
>An Lushan rebellion doesn't happen
Tang dynasty unifies China
>>343954
>Brian Boru successfully creating a lasting and united Irish kingdom.
So much suffering could have been avoided.
>>345703
>Italy unifies during The Renaissance and ends up rivaling Portugal and Spain for colonial power
You know, even if Italy unified early, they'd still have a massive, massive geographical disadvantage in colonization. I mean just think about it, if they ever were at war with any other naval power, they could just be cut out of the Atlantic by blockading Gibraltar, leaving all their colonies as shit easy prey for their enemies. I'm not saying that they wouldn't develop any colony, but sure they wouldn't be a colonial power. They'd most likely focus on the east indies to keep the trade going up the Red Sea rather than down to the Cape.
>>343954
>turks are deported back to asia
No Ottoman Empire. No genocides.
>Germany wins WW1
No nazis, Germany retains al it's clay.
>Zheng He's voyages receive more funding, and he is given control of an army
Imagine China and Spain fighting for control of the Pacific Coast. Hell, Chinese could add to English and Spanish as American languages.
>>345448
Probably would have come with all of hitlers special brand of insanity, meaning we wouldn't get shit like Israel and people thinking the Holocaust was the only and/or worst genocide to ever happen
>>345750
Italy hasn't been militarily competent since the height of Rome.
Most of the Renaissance was basically a bunch of French, HRE, and Spanish armies running around in Italy. When the Italians did manage to put together an army of condottieri, they regularly got their asses handed by the imperial armies.
>>344794
I vote for this one.
>>345796
>When the Italians did manage to put together an army of condottieri, they regularly got their asses handed by the imperial armies.
>imperial armies
Of all the players you could have talked about, you picked exactly the one who spent 500 years getting buttfucked by italian city states everytime they tried to invade. Even France and Spain had to wait for regional powers to start calling in external allies to manage a foothold in the peninsula.
>>345750
>They'd most likely focus on the east indies to keep the trade going up the Red Sea rather than down to the Cape.
Now that I think about it, that makes a lot more sense. Given that scenario, I'd imagine they'd probably be more concerned with building the Suez Canal than the UK.
>>345143
I'd say that the Calvinist movement would have totally changed that, they where pretty independent of Charles II prior to siding with him in the Third English Civil War
If anything, the position the Covenanters held after the thirty years war, along with the incompetence growing in England could have possibly seen a role reversal.
It probably would have ended badly for everyone, but it was going to be no matter the situation.
>>345703
>>Italy unifies during The Renaissance and ends up rivaling Portugal and Spain for colonial power
Spain blocks the strait of Gibraltar
What now?
>>Japan colonizes Sakhalin and Kamchatka before the Russians.
What difference would that make?
>>Pan-Nordism results in a unified Scandinavian state
/int/ meme
>Scandinavians establish semi successful colonies in Canada that integrate medieval European weaponry and disease resistance into native Americans
>Incas never have civil war, btfo Pizarro and westernize
>Trotsky instead of Stalin
I think it's extremely unfortunate that pretty much all of American society was wiped out, and I think the USSR could've been something decent and even if it just collapsed with Trotsky it would have made for an unbelievably better world than what happened with Stalin. Think about no cold war, no proxy wars, no red scare, no destabilized Afghanistan, etc.
>>345822
>I'd imagine they'd probably be more concerned with building the Suez Canal than the UK.
Actually Venice first started to approach the Mamelukes on the subject in 1504, so yeah that's a very obvious policy.
>>345831
Good post. Would have loved to see a world were the Americans actually had a chance of fightting back.
Though the thought of an Aztec empire with steelworking and viking-tier shipbuilding is a scary one.
>>343954
>Native Americans are integrated into American culture instead of being genocieded
>Imperial Germany doesn't go full retard and start WWI, it instead survives into the wider 20th century
>>345829
>/int/ meme
Considering Sweden was in possession of Norway, had a good relationship with Denmark, and shared a common tongue with Finland, it was genuinely considered during the 1800s.
>>345899
>shared a common tongue with Finland
>>343995
literally Hu?
Byzantium Survives
Lenin lives to be 102
The german revolution succeeds and becomes a socialist republic
>US stays isolationist forever
>Bolsheviks lose in the civil war
>Texas remains it's own country
>>345906
Swedish was the official language of the Grand Duchy of Finland up until 1863.
>>344866
>No French Revolution
kek you think that'll stop the inevitable?
>>345936
>Texas remains it's own country
>Germany wins WW1
would probably still result in an eventual world war 2
any the list
>Alexander doesn't die young
>No 4th Crusade
>Alexander II wasn't assassinated
>>343954
>Mongols never sack Baghdad
> Saxons win the battle of Hastings
>Central Powers win WW1
>>345938
Swedish is still an official language in Finland, actually
>>343954
I think it might be too dangerous to change anything before ww2.
Sure no ww1, means no ww2, but nukes are eventually developed and I can't help but think we were lucky in the circumstances they were dropped. One winning side used them to finnish the other. Then everyone saw how powerful they were and never used them in war again.
Would be very different if the next big war happened later when more people had nukes.
Disregarding that though...
No arab expansion
No mongol empire
No colonization
>>343954
>Byzantium wouldn't fall to the Turks
Would change just that.
>>345899
>it was genuinely considered during the 1800s.
Was even talked about couple of years before EU iirc.
Icelandic leader suggested Stockholm for the capitol though so the danes went naeh.
>>345831
>and even if it just collapsed with Trotsky it would have made for an unbelievably better world
It could've collapsed into a democracy and over the years they could've made it into something good.
That would've been nice.
>>343954
>Scotland and England wouldn't unite
Thatd be pointless as we would have forcefully done it anyway
>>345983
Texas ain't free. San Jacinto gotta be litterd with the blood of Mexican soldiers. Rick "JEW LOVER" Perry aka "dumbass neocon" is not my governor. he is a neocon and probably OU fan too :D:D Texas sovereignty not Texas mockery. God bless Texas!
>>345206
Except in this case those people were by then potentially descendants of multiple generations and probably couldn't even locate Africa on a map. "Putting them back were they came", would not work. The only home most of them ever knew would have been on American soil. They were far removed from being 'African".
>>343954
>Save the library at Alexandria.
>Make Slavery and indentured servitude illegal in colonial/earlyAmerica. Pretty much give everyone/every race equal rights from the get go. As another anon said as well, integrate native americans .
>Introduce the old and new worlds to each other a lot sooner. i.e. Greeks trading with Cherokee, things like that, etc.
>>343954
>An Lushan rebellion never takes place
>Yuan never take over China
>Mongols never sack Baghdad
>>346149
>OU fan
>>345126
This tbqh
>>344822
This desu senpai
Put me down for what this anon said
>>345322
>French Revolution fails
what do you think happened?
>>345206
Putting people in Africa who had not lived there for generations, and as such would have huge language and cultural divides, would be just as traumatic and detrimental as bringing them over in the first place.
>destruction of American civilizations
>Near Universality of Abrahamic Religion (they can still exist but are much more restricted in their spread)
>WWI
>>345138
I'd argue that aspects of the Trail of Tears and similar policies could count as genocide
>ancient egypt switches to linux
>dodo bird is not eaten
>cubs let that guy keep his goat.
>>346873
Huh?
>>344866
>Never heard of the Pentarchy and Caesaropapism
>Believes that the Pope were the only head of the Church before of the Schism
>>344906
Whites win crusades,all Arabs gone.
Germans win holocaust, all Jews gone
D Trump wins president, some random browns gone
>>344891
>The Danubian Federation is formed
Unlikely even with Franz Ferdinand living.
Getting that past the Hungarian Parliament is unlikely without serious legal wrangling + the possibility of A-H breaking up over it.
>Kaiser Wilhelm is not retarded, he doesn't violate Belgium's independence and renews the non-aggression pact with Russia, so he ends up fighting only France (those Italian fuckers don't change sides because the Central Powers are winning)
The British would find another excuse to intervene to maintain the balance of power.
>>343954
>wishing the byzantines were still around
baka desu senpai
the greek romans considered white northern Europeans like us their upitty slaves living on land we stole from them.
no matter how we advanced culturally or scientifically, they would never stop trying to re-enslave us and exterminate our achievements
it was convenient the eastern empire collapsed when it did, since we could forget how much they hated us
>>344839
He was good for ten or fifteen years. Then his father's counselors all died and it was all down hill from there
>>344044
Hanibal never sacked Rome...
>>343954
1) When Titus sacked the temple, he would then go east into Babylon and finish off the Jewish communities there.
2)The Whites win the Russian revolution instead of the Judeo-Bolsheviks.
3)The assbaby menace was (literally) strangled in its cradle.
>>343969
How would the Moors be able to conquer Europe yet Egypt somehow retains its Greco-Roman identity?
>>343954
Nazi's don't ally with Japan, but instead support the KMT when the Sino-Jap war breaks out
>go back to Ancient Greece and point out that they've invented a goddamn steam engine and should start mass-producing pronto
No point in changing anything else as history would depart radically from that point onwards.
>>347198
Without an efficient means of boiling water (really the development of widespread coal usage) it won't get you far. They'll point out it's way more efficient to just pile slaves onto whatever task rather than trying to build steam shit.
>asteroid doesn't kill dinosaurs
>humans evolved to current state earlier around dinosaur times
>human civilization begins earier to match earlier evolution
I think these three changes would cause the biggest change to our current society and would be interesting to see.
>>347225
Mamals only became dominant because the dinosaurs died out guy.
>Gavrilo Princip gets stuck in line when buying his sandwich in Sarajevo
>Napoleon III doesn't get baited by Bismarck
>Mussolini doesn't invade Ethiopia
>>347281
That's why I used two of the three magic history changing powers to ensure they do anyways.
>Japan divided between Russia, China and US after WWII
>Huey Long becomes president
>Reformation fails and leave the church to tighten its hold on power
>english declaring war on nazi germany instead of allying
>bolsheviks winning
>france fucking up with churches with it's laicism
>>347409
hello interdimensional traveller
>>343995
dude chinks lmao
>mongols castrate all Muslims they come across
>US annexes Canada and Mexico in 1800s
>Great Depression doesn't happen
>>343995
I'm sad I don't know Chinese history.
>>347462
>Great Depression doesn't happen
that would only delay it for a while
>>347472
If everyone else is trying to magically solve issues that would've happened through other means, why focus just on that one?
>>347477
because that one is basically an inevitability
>>347462
>mongols castrate all christians they meet
>mexico annexes US and Canada
>great depression never ends
>>347427
kek.
>Napoleon accepts the Frankfurt proposal and the Bonaparte Dynasty rules France
>US takes over Canada in 1812
>Richard the Lionheart decides not to take a stroll by the castle he's sieging
>>343954
>End of slavery in US w/out war
>Theodore Roosevelt elected as Bull Moose (legitimizing 3rd party)
>No Kennedies assassinated
Is a progressive America for the people too much for which to ask? Must I really expatriate to Switzerland to discover my America?
>Abraham Lincoln is never assassinated, Reconstruction continues and the South heals properly
>Franz Ferdinand is never assassinated, both World Wars and Cold War are possibly averted
>FDR keeps Wallace as Vice-President
>Napoleon wins
That's it. It's all it would take for utopia in our time.
>>345125
>No Mohammed
>Aztec culture led by religious fanatics promoting human sacrifice is ok
>>345206
As a kid, I had a neighbor from Nigeria. He hated non-african blacks so openly that it was shocking. Africans fom Africa wanted nothing to do with the slaves. Why do you think all of the "Back to Africa" movements failed? Why do you think Etheopians didn't like Rastafarians?
Sending the slaves back to Africa was never an option.
>>346873
Cubs winning a world series would be pretty cool.
>>343954
>napoleon destroyed the coalition and wins the napoleonic wars
>genghis khan dies in is youth after a freak accident which no one was able to explain but it involved horses, sodomy and roasted beef
>the egypt civilization didn't fall
>the portuguese empire didn't crumble due to the shitty elite lack of ambition and general competence
(it's 4 but rules are for nerds)
>>345613
Wilhelm II a shit.
>>345215
>impying there's something wrong with playing with leaves and throwing poop at each other
it may be an evolutionary cycle, but we evolved to the point that we're all doing that all over again - but this time on the internet
>>343954
>Ottoman empire never fell but became a nation of states like the US.
>Britain never joined EU instead ramped up trade with commonwealth nations especially India and China
>Kuomintang retained control of China and continued to respect independence of Hong Kong.
>Americas remain undiscovered
>1800s Scandinavian unification
>East Rome resists Islam
>>344910
They let you browse 4chan in jail, Kaczynski?
>>343995
As a Chink with a surname of Cao, this triggers me.
China doesn't fail to emulate Meiji Restoration
Islam never rose to power
December Revolution never succeed
>>348119
>Kuomintang retained control of China and continued to respect independence of Hong Kong.
Lel, it will be under Nationalist Control if ever after 99 years.
China's possession of HK wasnt a GOMMIE IMPERIALISM thing, but a nationalist one.
>>343954
Friedrich III doesn't die young.
No Byzantine–Sasanian War of 602–628.
Can't think of a third one/
>every shitty Byzantine ruler dies before getting power
>Julian doesn't die and succeeds to reform roman faith
>filthy christians removed from premises everywhere
>>348037
>sending slaves to africa was not an option
Sure it was. The fact that it was a bad option for slaves and africans doesn't change that.
It was a better option for the US.
>all those germany wins WWI
but... Why ?
>>348446
>>all those germany wins WWI
>but... Why ?
No Nazi Germany
No WWII
No breakup of Austria-Hungary
No Balkan Wars
...
>>344044
don't listen to what eveyone else says, I support you
>>343954
>no American revolution.
>no French revolution.
>no WWI and thus no Russian revolution.
>>348467
>no nazi germany
Doubtful. Italy didn't lose the war and still went fascist. Moreover, I don't think winning the war would curb german imperialism and nationalism.
>no WWII
Same. This time it could be france starting it to get back the lost territories and its destroyed influence.
>austria hungary stays and balkans wars go
Probably not. Nationalism in this area was unstoppable.
>>343954
>no WWI
It and WWII ruined the British and British Empire, and seeing as most of the cause of WWII can be attributed to WWI, I wish it never happened
>no communist revolution in China
Destroyed much Chinese culture
>No Islamic conquest of Arabia
>>347605
>Switzerland
Switzerland is progressive?
>>343954
>instead of eventually settling into the WRE and disintegrating, the Roman empire stays split into 3 or 4 solid cores which can't risk conquering each other but maintain Roman culture, rule, and loose affiliations with each other
>increased European tensions delay the Scramble for Africa until after a continental war can be fought; Scramble takes place afterwards so instead of rivalry and jingoism it's more rebuilding so that African colonization is more sane and stable
Not really sure how I'd have that go down, but something like a stalemate with the prospects of Africa leading to a solution to the war, or smaller scale wars that don't involve all the alliances so that Germany never becomes a republic or the Russian revolution never happens
>FDR and Stalin's deaths are swapped or some other event occurs like Churchill not pussying out that leads to the USSR keeping its promise about Poland so that the Iron Curtain either doesn't exist or is farther east and Nato is never formed
obviously not all on the same timeline
>Islam stays in the ME
>French wreck British navy at Trafalgar
>No British Empire
>>348751
>he actually thinks monarchies are better than Republics
Teenagers pls go and stay go.
>>349039
>he actually thinks being a slave to the masses is better than serving a man picked by God
Godless savages pls go and stay go.
>>345925
>pro Orthodox empires and socialist kekstates
>Edward the Confessor never declares William as his heir
>Barbarossa never falls off his horse and dies like a retard
>Karl Marx is forced into the military and dies of an asthma attack
>Arab conquests never happen
>Vikings successfully colonize parts of north america
>Turkic migrations never happen
>>344167
reddit please leave
>>345857
>chance of fightting back.
they did fight back dipshit with bows and arrows
>islam doesn't rise in tandem with iconoclasm in the byzantine empire and ban all forms of art except for shitty geometric shapes
>norse raids on ireland are heavier than they were, forcing the hundreds of irish kings to elect a permanent high king and become a centralized nation that will go on to form the celtic impire
>library at alexandria doesn't burn
>>349814
>Endorsing the death of European Paganism and middle eastern everything
>Endorsing horsemonkeys like turks and mongols ruining civilisations
>Endorsing the collapse of American and African civilisations instead of east-Asia style modernisation.
Fag
>>347296
>Gavrilo Princip gets stuck in line when buying his sandwich in Sarajevo
The sandwich thing never actually happened.
>>349039
>He thinks the average citizen is fit to make proper decisions
Being enslaved by the masses is fun huh?
>>349608
Hello friend
>>349909
>library at Alexandria doesn't burn
this, senpai.
:(
>>343954
Martin Luther died on child birth
No 30 years war (Luther to blame)
No 7 years war (war for Silesia after It was annexed it after the 30 years war)
No french revolution (7 years war broke France)
No Napoleon (No liberalism and nationalism spread all over Europe)
No WW1, WW2 and cold war (No Germany because no nationalism duh)
Eventually the US revolution would happen in 1800 a no US superpower also Industrial revolution might take place, but maybe in another place
>>343954
>implying that a war like WW1 wasn't inevitable
Sure you could stop the escalation in 1914 specifically, but that would just be delaying the war a few years at most.
>Operation Valkyrie suceeded
>Nazi Germany defeated Russia
>Rommel is not kill
>>350354
>he thinks someone who just happened to be born into the right family has anymore qualification to run a country
Someone's been focusing to much on Great Man theory.
>>343954
>No Napoleon, so Venice is still independent.
>No fall of Constantinopole
>No 4th crusade
>>343954
>>350484
>No counter reformation would actually change so many things in central Europe, I don't even know where to start
>Stalin never rises to power
>Austria get's its shit together in the 20-30's, and it doesn't get annexed or still gets annexed but Allies are alerted way earlier than because of Poland.
>>349608
>Thinks that being a slave to a hereditary dictator isn't the definition of c u c k oldry
Stench of autism
>No WWI
>No Russian Revolution
>Brian Boru doesn't die at Clontarf
>>348245
no it was socio-economic China doesn't have nationalist agendas in their internal policy.
>GIII/HoC doesn't aggravate Americans - or crushes the American revolt
>Napoleon doesn't sell Louisiana
>German confederacy doesn't exclude Osterreich
Hopefully liberalism would be quashed and nationalism allowed to flourish to a greater extent
>Rome conquest Germania or Frederick Barbarossa never die in third crusade so he can conquest Jerusalem or Germany win WWI. It would be so beatiful.
>>343954
>Mao doesn't take over China
>Truman doesn't drop nukes on Japan
>no civilization ever practiced slavery
>>350542
>Just so happens to be born in the right family
>has all the proper resources to become educated and learn how to run a country
>implying not chosen by God
>He thinks the common man enmass should run the country
Why don't you go chop off your own damn head.
"Man"
>>345732
germanic migrations would have happened anyways, the worsening climate change was causing massive famines in the north and forced people to move south toward more fertile lands
attila only made things 10 times harder
>>349909
Fuck yes to all
Zoroastrianism never gives way to Islam
The Byzantine Empire never lets the turks into the Balkans
Mao Zedong never takes power and hopefully dies after being walked in on him being autoerotic asphyxiated
>>343954
>Galiza é Portuguesa
>Eastern Roman Empire keeps Anatolia, Turks BTFO
>Spanish Civil War won by the Republicans
>>347990
You're right...
>Stalin becomes pope at age 18
>Ancient Romans invent spaghetti
>Marx is born in 15th century Persi
>>351518
*Persia
>>350343
source?
>>351518
Please explain the reasoning behind all of these
>>351562
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/gavrilo-princips-sandwich-79480741/?no-ist
>>348037
Aztec religion was basically Mormonism of its day. Borrowed imagery and basic pantheon from earlier civilizations, but with a twist (sacrificial blood keeps the universe together) and was extreme because it was new and its priests needed to be zealous to prove shit to the people (and themselves). Aztecs as the hegemons were brand new in the area, and had not even consolidated power when the Spaniards showed up. Based on my readings, I'm fairly certain it would have calmed down eventually in a couple generations. Still might have sacrifices, but maybe just a virgin on summer solstice or some shit, or switching over to animal sacrifices like Jews did.
>Islam doesn't spread much and fails. The ME is split between Christianity and Zoroastrianism
>Byzantium remains extremely powerful, keeping Itlay, the Holy Land, and Anatolia
>Germany wins World War I
>>344851
>no guns
Kek
-no islam
-whites win the russian revolution
-national socialists fall apart after the Beer Hall Putsch
There I just saved the western civilization.
>>344794
Underrated post.
>>343954
>Harold wins at Hastings
>no Manzikert or IVth Crusade
>no October Revolution. Russia remains a republic
>no Black Plague
>no New world plague
>library of Alexandria never falls
Humanity is put ahead by a few thousand years.
>October revolution never happens, causing the gommunist revolution to not happen, oh and the beautiful young Romanov daughters are never murdered
>Hitler never goes to war and acquires territories by exchanging labor or by means of immigration warring
>Space colonization and nuclear energy becomes a big thing globally and we have a baby on the moon by 2000 like Warren Van Braun said we would.
Alternative
>French Revolution never happens
>life is good
>>345149
>Implying such a thing as old vs new Europeans exist
The Indo-European invasion was cultural, not demographic. Just look at the Hungarian language vs the Hungarian people if you want proof of what ethnic invasions entail (hint: despite speaking an Asiatic language, their ethnic makeup is no different than the surrounding European peoples).
An extra continent
>stop the Franco-Ottoman Treaty
>Napoleon wins at Waterloo or Waterloo and the Seventh Coalition never happen in the first place
I dunno about anything else really
>>347990
Pretty much this
Allies intervene in early war, preventing WW2
Soviets are much slower in reaching Berlin, western allies liberate more of Europe
My lottery numbers are the winning ones
>Varus doesn't lose the legions
>The Saxons never cross the sea
>Charles V marries Anne of Brittany
>we never climb down from the trees
Just for shits and giggles...
> Native Americans (NA and SA) have immunity to more western viruses, don't die out en masse, don't pave the way to colonization
> Slavery never happens, West African kingdoms keep their shit together and coalesce into something larger. Trade links with Europe flourish, exchange of ideas/goods, it remains a regional power and stabilizing force.
> Hordes of Central Asian steppe people never grow large enough to present a threat to China or Europe, never invade either. Rome may decline in terms of absolute power, but none of the 'barbarian eras' of the dark ages
Can I add some more?
> Neanderthals and other ice age fauna don't die out
> Tokharians STRONK! Create stable civilization and spread to Tibet, the Stans, Siberian steppes, etc. Han Chinese and Russians confined to their early power bases, never spread east/west.
and of course
> Mohammed ripped to shreds by moon-worshiping semitic pagans the moment he opens his mouth. ME remains Christian/pagan.
>>344444
MUH ELECTED MOSSADEGH
Mossadegh was actually a power hungry mad man who was appointed by the Shah due to his popularity, not elected, and then slowly went crazy with power. He also nationlisied an industry which the UK had spent 60 years working on, from discovering the very oil, to building the refineries, operating them and finding markets for Iranian oil.
Iran wouldn't be in any better a position right now if Mossadegh was allowed to stay in power. He would have been just as authoritarian as the Shah if he had been allowed to stay in power and so would any of his socialist ridden cabinet if they succeeded him. More to the point the Islamic revolutionaries of 79 were opposed to any government which wasn't dominated by the clergy like they have now.
Here is a pic of based Shah
Germany wins WWI
America stays a colony
Africa and the Middle East won't get colonized
Now hear me out. Germany winning WWI would effectively prevent not only the holocaust and WW2, but also the Cold War and the wave of liberalism. We'd have the chance to see a conservative paradise
>>353741
>Germany sucking out the life of two thirds of Europe is somehow a paradise
>>347044
Only because Wilhelm fucked up the diplomacy. Britain and Germany were bffs until he ruined it.
The federalitazion would have been supported by all other parliaments - Bohemian, Croatian etc. Combined, they could keep the Hungarians in check.
>>351518
The correct answer.
>>353740
But the UK 'developing' the market goes back to the same mindset that helped ruin Africa. "We'll do everything, thanks for the oil m8, just keep the local plebs away, and here's a few spare bob for the effort. Cheerio!" It was inevitably going to cause trouble, considering Persians are in general just a bit more proud than the average Congolese millet farmer.
>>353740
>Iran wouldn't be in any better a position right now if Mossadegh was allowed to stay in power. He would have been just as authoritarian as the Shah if he had been allowed to stay in power and so would any of his socialist ridden cabinet if they succeeded him. More to the point the Islamic revolutionaries of 79 were opposed to any government which wasn't dominated by the clergy like they have now.
Conjecture, but even so if Iran was shouting "death to gommies" instead of "death to Amerika" it's already be in a better position. This resistance axis meme is an excuse for shitholes to behave like shitholes and any criticism is "western imperialism"
>Vlad doesn't get backstabbed and successfully converts every muslim on the planet into a shish kebab
>Alexander doesn't die before conquering India
>America never revolts
All of the 20th century. So much death and destruction. And at the same time we're closer to world peace than we've ever been.
>>345111
REMOVE KEBAB remove kebab.
>>353795
>at the same time we're closer to world peace than we've ever been.
That's more to do with globalization than anything else. As economies are so inter-connected these days, you end up hurting yourself by attacking your neighbours. Oil is the one substance impervious to this, as control of it is obviously very advantageous. Spice must flow.
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