Is the Cultural Revolution considered a catalyst for the destruction of Confucian values and politeness in modern Chinese society? All current evidence that I've seen just seems anecdotal, e.g. YouTube videos and articles.
Some links for further reading would be appreciated, thanks.
>>343091
It's not unique to mainland China at all despite popular misconception.
Go to Southeast Asia, Africa, Middle East, Latin America or Eastern Europe.
Basically any country on this planet except western Europe or Japan.
Hell, even America has places full of rude people.
>>343091
There's a whole bunch of theories out there that I can't really eloquently describe but the main theories I've heard are:
>Peasants too used to having to bend strict commie rules to get by so they become innately self-centered and rude because that was the only way to get what you wanted back home
>Chinese wealthy are almost all Noveau-riche assholes with no preceding standards for etiquette + Chinese culture being being on flaunting what you got
>>343110
Mainland Chinese manners are infamous worldwide. Even Chinese-majority nations like Singapore and Taiwan hate them for it.
>>343119
>Mainland Chinese manners are infamous worldwide. Even Chinese-majority nations like Singapore and Taiwan hate them for it.
It's called Yellow Peril racism and it's not new. It's been around since the 1800s senpai.
If you read up anything written by white supremacists about the Chinese exclusion act or China, you'd think they were talking about modern day events.
>>343126
No it's not. I actually live in Singapore senpai, this modern etiquette backlash might not be new but it's very, very real.
Maybe that's the case in the US of A, but over here in Asia there's a distinct love-hate relationship with China because we love their money but hate their asshole tourists. If you think Americans on vacation are dicks then China takes that to a whole new dimension.
>>343138
>No it's not. I actually live in Singapore senpai
So you're one of them bananas?
Makes sense
>Maybe that's the case in the US of A, but over here in Asia there's a distinct love-hate relationship with China because we love their money but hate their asshole tourists. If you think Americans on vacation are dicks then China takes that to a whole new dimension.
Yeah google ugly Americans, same shit.
>>343091
I thought this was a myth as well until I had to travel to Asia for two years because of work a lot of times.
They literally have special staff inside many shops i the airports that basically just spend their time making sure that the Chinese and Indians behave like human beings, especially when it comes to standing in line in stores.
>>343153
>ugly Americans
If only. It''s actually gotten bad enough for China to start campaigning to curb this sort of thing.
>>343161
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugly_American_(pejorative)
America was like this too once upon a time.
Still like this in some ways.
Anyway, America isn't free of rude people either. Ever been to New York, Brooklyn or Los Angeles?
>>343091
>Is the Cultural Revolution considered a catalyst for the destruction of Confucian values and politeness in modern Chinese society?
That and 200 years of poverty, anarchy, chaos and infighting starting with the 1800's.
Prior to that it was so fucking polite, you had specific salutes to other people's grandparents.
>>343340
r/China pls go
>>343353
>redditor
Worse than wumao
>>343376
That's you, you're the Redditor
Now git the fuck out
The Cultural Revolution placed peasants and anti-intellectuals at the top of the social ladder.
Opening up and modernizing gave them money.
So what you see today are the children of the nouveau riche of China, aided by the ease at which travel can be conducted, acting out all across the world.
Obviously this is a generalization but I would call it pretty fair.
its what happens when poor people become rich very fast. they retain none of the humility and adopted none of the class.
>>343091
>Is the Cultural Revolution considered a catalyst for the destruction of Confucian values
No, but Chinese (not just communists but they make the big piece of the pie) were criticizing Confucian and other traditional values even before the revolutionary period because they were so backwards. When landlords died their inheritors paid priests to divine where the most auspicious place to bury them would be, and they'd select the most ridiculous locations like in the middle of paddy fields or on the side of a cliff. And of course the Confucian civil model solidified as ineffective in selecting qualified leaders and naturally favored the rich.
>and politeness in modern Chinese society
Modern China, as in right now? Because China right now is experiencing a Confucian revival. Anyway, politeness never went away in Chinese society, just the holiness of filial piety over universal fairness and openness to criticism.
If there is a contemporary Chinese lack of politeness it's difficult to blame the GPCR when the revisionist party line is to disavow the GPCR and which looks over an increasingly liberal economy.
>>343161
Goddamn, I'd beat the living shit out of someone for that, and I'm not even Egyptian
>>343126
>It's called Yellow Peril racism and it's not new. It's been around since the 1800s senpai.
lol
I'd attribute it to generation during/after Cultural Revolution and the One Child Policy.
Combination of these policies led to the rise of "Little Emperor Syndrome." Its when the single child is placed as the most important thing to the family, that attitude/coddling raised a generation of kids that are selfish and ignorant and many times even cruel.
There are people saying, the attitude existed before CCP, thats true, but only to a human degree. Every society has their own selfish people, but the CCP raised an entire generation of it. Compare them to Taiwan, which are the same Chinese descendants, but their attitude are normal and sometime very polite both externally and as a person.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Emperor_Syndrome
>>346295
Nah, I'm sure you could piss on the great wall and people wouldn't care that much. The fucking thing is massive, a little piss isn't gonna hurt it. Pissing off the wall sounds more fun anyway.
>>346327
Mongolians got away with it for thousands of years. A little more can't hurt.
My family is Chinese, but had to flee to Taiwan when Mao took over. Generally, we see stark differences in everyday culture between us and the Mainlanders. The Cultural Revolution isn't the only culprit, many Chinese traditions fell apart during the decline of the Qing and subsequent ROC/warlord period. It's sad to say, but many aspects of Chinese culture can be seen more in Korea or Japan than modern China.
Still, some parts of Chinese culture have been retained better by people like my grandparents who fled to Taiwan, and some parts the Mainlanders have taken good care if.. But things like politeness and courtesy are a foreign concept to Mainland Chinese, although I should be fair and point out that younger Chinese are much, much more polite than the older generations. The generation of Chinese that grew up during the Cultural Revolution can be really uncouth.
However, Chinese history is really fucking long. We don't exactly know if Chinese traditions were lost upon dynasties replacing one another or Mongol or Manchurian rule displacing time honored values. I wouldn't be surprised if somehow the "lost" values return to China, whether naturally or part of some nationalist program to instill pride.
>>346295
>basketball americans of the ghetto
Just leave /pol/io
>>346368
Would you prefer the term African American.
>>346368
I'm not /pol/ or I would have called them niggers outright.
Nor did I imply that their racial trait was the cause of high crime, sexual violence, low education and poor health. My limited example was if you take a perennial underclass of a society and have them effectively mug everyone else that is a good illustration of what happened during the Cultural Revolution.
sage for the right reason.
>>346362
you do know China had shitty morals before: sex slaves, foot binding, killing babies that are girls, warlords/bandits, opium addiction.
>>346295
Stop fucking reading so much into the GPCR
I've seen every faggot that only knows jack shit about modern Chinese history attribute everything to the GPCR
Stop it.
It's fucking wrong and ignorant.
>>346469
>sex slaves
Still exists in the West.
>Foot bindings
Genital Mutilation
>killing babies that are girls
Kill babies who have yet to be born
>warlords/bandits
Pirates/Ninjas
>opium addiction
Created by the west.
>>346485
What a well thought out post worthy of discourse.
>>346493
true, my point is china is no worse or better than the west and trying to blame Mao for all of Chinese culture's problems is pretty ridiculous, .
>>346554
No one blamed mao for all of Chinese culture problems. His policies however greatly caused the current mainland Chinese problem.
I'd say 90% Mao, 10% environment. Of the generation, there's still some small percentage that still has their humanity.
>>346586
>there's still some small percentage that still has their humanity.
What would cause you to post such a thing?
is this a cleverly disguised China hate thread?
Mao if anything tried to make things better with policies to stop the abuse of the plebs by the feudal lords. sadly the feudal lords have come back with a vengeance. Now they spend their ill gotten gains on treating foreigners the same way. Not all though, most of the Chinese students at my uni are nice people.
>>346677
>chinese neo-socialist detected
absolutely disgusting.
>>343153
>If you are asian and act normal you're a banana
>If you are black and act normal you're a Uncle Tom
>>346896
>if you are asian and don't suck up to white people you must be a barbaric soulless chink
>if you are black and don't suck up to white people you must be a ghetto dindu nuffin
>>346904
this
>>346362
>whaa the plebs took over we wuz nobls but can't be rich anymore I must honor my family by shitposting on sì mèi mao actually shit in my cheerios guys and he gave chinese aids!!
>diaspora
Not as bad as Miami gusanos but still salty as fuck
>>346972
Fuck off red guard
>>346992
>oh no they sent rich kids to learn what peasant life is actually life, instead of learning some fucking humility and empathy I'm going to be humiliated by this experience and tell whites how much I resent it
Fuck off running dog
>>346972
What? The KMT is literally the most pro-China political party in the world outside of China. You might've had something going if I were native Taiwanese benshengren. Those niggas are so salty, they make Cuban-Americans look like samaritans.
This is horrible bait and you know it.
>>347005
if someone forced me to a fucking camp for slave labor, no fucking shit i'll be mad.
>forced to become a slave against your will
>lol just accept it and learn some humility its good for you i promise
>tfw Taiwanese and Singaporean girls are ugly but well mannered
>tfw Chinese girls are beautiful but cold as shit
Why is life so unfair bros?
>>347109
Get a qt korean/jap
>>347109
K O R E A N G I R L S
>>347109
>Singaporean girls
>well mannered
>Chinese girls
>Beautiful
>>347143
P L A S T I C
>>343091
i suspect the only reason why these cultures are considered "rude" is that they don't randomly smile meeting strangers
>>348297
Every developed Asian country uses dabbles loads of plastic. If women want to look prettier, who cares?
>>348303
Of all the shit people rag on about mainland Chinese, I don't know why "rudeness" get harped on so much. At least you're not dancing around eggshells like in an overly "polite" environment.
It's more like a 150 years old process of degrading traditional value of humbleness and modesty (that had been seen as a defect instead of simply a kind of personality) due to the westernization. But it went too far.
Confucianism was a court ettiquete and as a way of life it was pretty much confined to the court, even if the ethos permeated China under good dynasties and circumstances. The Qing dynasy collapsed in like 1911, and it had been in decline for a while. There was nobody keeping the old Imperial ettiquete alive, largely because there was no Imperial court anymore and the country was undergoing warlordism.
Meanwhile the Nationalist government was importing Western ideas by the ton and trying to modernize what little it controlled. Japanese colonialism was happening. China was basically without any apparatus both able and willing to espouse Confucianism as an end itself. The li may have survived among the people, but with no Emperor and no Empire, and when the states were warring, how could Heaven smile on the land and keep Confucianism alive?
Oddly enough Mao had the Mandate of Heaven and proved this by being the most powerful Chinese leader since Qin Shi Huang. But Confucianism was gone long before the Cultural Revolution happened.
>mfw Hong Kongnese, Taiwanese, and Singaporean hate mainalanders.
>mfw overseas Chinese are true heir of Chinese culture
>mfw if not for money sent by Malaysian/Singaporean chinese Sun Yat-Sen would never win.
>mfw Chinese resistance against japs in Malay peninsula is more fierce than in mainland.
topkek,
PRC isn't even Chinese. They are russian rape babies, they whore out traditional chinese culture for russian bullshit.
>>348436
t. SEAchink
Give it a rest, Hsieh Loong Poon
>>348436
>>mfw Chinese resistance against japs in Malay peninsula is more fierce than in mainland.
You're literally retarded
>>348436
>PRC is Russian whore
>bad relationship with Russia forever
You on the other hand are American whores through and through.
>>343138
I see lots of chinese tourists here in switzerland and noone talks bad about them. Only negative thing about them is the smacking when they eat, but yeah
>>348496
t. Malay fuccboi
>>348496
>w-wumao
I fucking wish I got paid to shitpost.
>>348512
How does it feel realizing you have no connection with our Ancestor?
>mfw mainlander doesn't even celebrate Cheng Beng
>mfw mainlander are forced to use disgusting sounding mandarin
>>348527
No worries.
>>348524
>mfw I was born from the cradles of the yellow river and the yangtse river, which makes me 200% more Chinese than you
>mfw my native language is Mandarin and Wu, not some pigdog barbarian Malay or Singapork shit, which makes me 300% more Chinese than you
>mfw I am a Chinese nationalist which makes me 400% more Chinese than you
You're the one who's out of touch with our ancestors. Go read a book, any book written by our ancestors. Mainlanders are always more true Chinese than some SEA dirty brown fag that speaks Malay or some Tagalog shit and shits on China his own ancestral country
>>348534
>mfw I have no face
>>348524
>our Ancestor
None of my ancestors have anything to do with East Asia.
>>348512
I'm a American whose parents are from a country where communism was literally illegalized. It makes me laugh when some Taiwanese or Singaporean claim they're more Chinese than actual mainland Chinese themselves while naming their kids Jeremy and Terry.
>>348534
>mfw mainlander destroy ancient chinese monument and tradition in an effort to placate their russian-jewish-bolshevik master
>mfw the japs wreck less permanent havoc toward chinese relic than the mainlander
>mfw I have no face like this Buddhist artifact defaced by mainlander
>mfw mainlander is ISIS
>>348606
Fair enough.
>>348524
>>348581
You lost the connection with our "Ancestor" when you moved to Southeast Asia and became bigger Jews than Jews themselves. Now you're reaping what you sow, you speak English like a fucking retard, are hideously ugly from mixing with natives, and speak a language that's closer to Thai or Vietnamese than Mandarin. Good job, Kwok Suk Fuk, or should I say Terry/Johnny/Darryl Kwok?
Yes I mad, real Cantonese and Hoklo in China don't act this retarded.
>>346493
Anon is right to point out the universality of societal ills.
trying to imagine pre degeneracy china. is it similar to japan? lots of bowing, polite closed manner, etc?
my course has a module on recent Chinese history but im not a expert
there's been a revival in Confucian studies which means the Chinese state is letting that get taught, nothing goes without their say so, thats why so many young people in China don't know much about the Tianamin Square massacre.
Anyways the Western idea is that the Chinese state wants Confucian ideals to return in slight because Confucianism forbids change to an extent and focuses on the study of the elders, now that Communism China is the 'old wise man' he wants its children to follow suit, previously Confucianism was shunned because Chinese people looked towards pre-Communist values, but now that was so long ago that it falls into Communist history
Thats what my articles said anywas, I think its rather interesting
>>351651
Japan is more radical in their politeness. But I'd say pre-degeneracy China is probably similar to Taiwanese manners with bit of traditional korean manners.
>>351665
You might be interested also in the fact that Japan has reintroduced a ban on students political participation within the boundaries of school. This trend is not exclusive to East Asia, either.
>>351682
its fucking disgusting, i get why China do it because they need to control its masses but Japan is a liberal democracy, restricting knowledge and censorship pisses me off
>>351714
A liberal democracy where one party ruled for 50 years. Ok.
>>343091
No look at some of the nationalists social programs back then they were trying to get them to not spit and shit in the street etc etc
>>343110
I know this is a stereotype, but most Americans I know outside of New York and Florida are pretty polite.
>>351718
you know what I mean
>Asians fighting each other
Apex of keks
>u speak ugly ranguage
>u no true chinese
>u culture rape my famiry
>u hold bowl to mouth
>u women westernized sluts
>>351651
>>351678
See >>343234
There's also the military salute that is specific among military men, which is the fist covered by a palm salute. It also has a certain ettiquette due to its meaning: fist = strength, palm = wisdom that handles strength.
Therefore, when saluting with a weapon, the palm ought to cover over the hand that grasps a weapon.
>>348534
Youre all the same you ching chong potato
Yours truly,
The rest of the world
