Why were the steppe empires so short lived and easily forgotten?
>>339709
A steppe empire is like a gasoline spill and a lit match. It spread quick, and destroys just about everything it touches, but goes out really quickly.
>>339709
Because usually they are fucking rackets.
Steppe Nomads don't build a Khanate using borders and cities like standard kingdoms because there aint none in the Steppes. A Khanate is built upon how many people bend their knee to you and your ability to protect said people. A small diplomatic insult among civilizations is a major scandal among Steppe Nomad tribes, and an insult to their Khan and their Khan's authority, and results to war.
To put it simply: Steppe Nomad States are like Gangsta Protection Schemes. If Tyrone insulted the street cred of Jayvvon Fisher, it touches off in a gang shootout in the hood. That is a Khanate for you.
Also the Nomads are super-prone to resting on their laurels phenomena.
>>339742
>Also the Nomads are super-prone to resting on their laurels phenomena.
Way to completely invalidate everything you wrote before that.
>>339742
This is it. Kuriltais were basically world wars waiting to happen.
>>339709
The Manchu Qing empire lasted almost 3 centuries and brought a lot of stability to China
>>339742
That's for the Altaics.
As for the Indo-Iranians, its a biiit similar, the only difference is they fight over city states and farming communities too rather than just other clans.
For example
>Saka King rides over to a Silk-Route City State
>HEY GUYS, SURRENDER, GIB MONIES, AND YOU CAN CALL ON ME TO PROTECT YOUR ASSES IN WAR.
>Citizens: This guy is gr8, lets do it.
Things became more stable when they adopted Persianate Governing but still Clan Based. A combination of the two gave birth to Savaran Feudalism under the Parthians.
>>339709
Locust mentality
>>339770
>The Manchu Qing
They weren't Nomads, their 1100's Ancestors were.
The Manchu Principality was pretty much like Korea & Japan: a Sinicized East Asian state.
Pic related, Dorgon painted in Manchuria. In a palace. In a city called Mukden, the Manchu Capital.
>>339797
Yeah, but he had to unite all the other tribes who were nomadic though.
>>339809
Nope. Only some were nomadic. Other Proto Manchu Jurchens lived in cities built by the Jin/Yuan/Ming China.
>"You Mongols raise livestock, eat meat and wear pelts. My people till the fields and live on grain. We two are not one country and we have different languages."
-Nurhaci.
>>339776
>Savaran Feudalism
Kinda neat how they pretty much created the proto-knights of Medieval Europe.
Because shit started going downhill after Genghis, the generations after his didn't grow up under the same circumstances.
>>339834
Yeah, that quote comes from Nurhaci. I'm talking about all the OTHER tribes that were nomadic that he had to unite.
>>339853
Sort of makes sense because the Parthians were nomads who were suddenly stuck in civilization.
Their pastoral-nomad ways disappeared and ergo switched from pastoralism to agriculture to support their cavalrymen.
>>339776
this is basically how central asia operates now.
>>339709
Steppe empires tended to collapse just a few decades after the ruler holding them together dies. The Mongol Empire did once Genghis Khan died, as did the Timurids after Tamerlane.
Steepe tribes based their succession over who was the strongest, as opposed to most other areas of the period like Europe, the Middle East, India, China, etc where you had a (somewhat) clear line of succession, steppe empires would devolve into a bunch of rival states trying to prove who was the stronger and thus the rightful heir.
>>339858
Kublai Khan was pretty baller
>>339941
Some of the other Khans were, but the decline had already started at that point. Once Genghis died there was no going back.
>>339709
Because they were uncivilized
