Why was the Karl Marx thread deleted?
Marxism is a philosophy and the sticky reads "This board is dedicated to the discussion of history and the other humanities such as PHILOSOPHY, religion, law, classical artwork, archeology, anthropology, ancient languages, etc." There should be no reason for the marx thread to be deleted.
If I am not mistaken, one of the reasons /his/ was created was to get the philosophy content off of /lit/, so why when someone posts a thread advocating discussion on a particular subject of philosophy does it get deleted? I would love for this to be explained.
There was surprisingly little shitposting in it too (at least compared to all the threads that mention Africa or WWII) so it seems like an odd choice for deletion.
>>32646
>Marxism is a philosophy
No. It's a science.
>>32646
Based Mods or Janitors
>did it for free
I did not find anything wrong with Marx, he's not a true leftist, he's just a social scientist whose theory of class conflicts and economic disparities he hoped would change the history and it did. Peasant uprisings, revolutions, wars are won from his ideology that attracted the masses
>>32888
>not a true leftist
Why? Are you a "left-wing"?
"Left-Wing" Communism: An Infantile Disorder - Lenin
>he hoped would change the history
He didn't hope, he knows that it's theory would change the history. It's basic Marxism.
If communism is allowed to have a circlejerk thread here then fascism should be allowed too.
So fuck off.
/his/ is not the place to discuss political ideologies
Die commie scum.
>>32720
I agree with this but it seems /sci/ is an inappropriate area for the discussion of marxism, since /sci/ is really for the STEM-type sciences while /his/ is for the Humanities i.e. Marxism.
>>32738
>All communists are exactly the same and agree on everything
I never claimed I was a communist, and isn't it you /pol/tards who whine about 'censorship' the most when you find out you're not allowed to post "nigger faggot gas the kikes" on every board without having your worldview challenged.
>>32665
/pol/ is for politically incorrect politics, and while communism can be considered 'politically incorrect', marxism is a philosophy and a science and discussion should be allowed on /his/.
>>32695
/lit/ is for the discussion of literature, not philosophy.
>>32992
Fascism is a [politically incorrect] political ideology and discussion of it should be on /pol/ (where it is regularly discussed). On the other hand marxism is a philosophy and a science which should be allowed discussion on /his/.
>>33037
The Marxist view of history (dialectical materialism) is history.
>>33073
>>>>>>>>>>>marxism is a science
a science who's presuppositions are ofcourse immune to criticism
gee sure sounds like a science!
>>32975
Nah. Just your average college student. Taking that Social Inequality lectures this semester. My "leftist" lecturer wanted to talk grandly about him but at last, well from the academic standpoints his views were logical but flawed at best, since his class structure was only limited to two : which was the bourgeois and proles, when there are more...
>>33073
So your political ideology just happens to be a science and philosophy as well, while every other ideology doesn't belong here?
What a coincidence!
>>33073
>I agree with this but it seems /sci/ is an inappropriate area for the discussion of marxism, since /sci/ is really for the STEM-type sciences while /his/ is for the Humanities i.e. Marxism.
No it's because bourgeois science refuse Marxism as a science. But for a Marxist, /sci/ would be a correct place.
>Fascism is a [politically incorrect] political ideology and discussion of it should be on /pol/ (where it is regularly discussed). On the other hand marxism is a philosophy and a science which should be allowed discussion on /his/.
yes but fascism, and its ideas, has an history.
>>33073
>/lit/ is for the discussion of literature, not philosophy.
Das Kapital is literature. Post a thread with a picture of Das Kapital on /lit/.
>>33073
>Fascism is a [politically incorrect] political ideology and discussion of it should be on /pol/ (where it is regularly discussed). On the other hand marxism is a philosophy and a science which should be allowed discussion on /his/.
So basically youre saying
>This political ideology doesnt belong here, but mine does
Yeah ok
Fuck off
From previous thread
>Marx predicted revolutions on advanced capitalist countries
NOPE
>Marx predicted immiseration of the middle class
NOPE
>Marx predicted that economic crisis would become more frequent
NOPE
And much much more
>>33099
Poppler go to bed
Hes too cool
>>33117
>when there are more...
Marx acknowledge other classes, but only the old classes which are a legacy of the old production system. But for Marx anything is made of TWO opposites. So the class corresponding to capitalism are only two: bourgeoisie and proletariat.
>>33123
>No it's because bourgeois science
>bourgeois science
Oh man. I don't even know what to say
>>32992
Build your own fascist threads elsewhere cunt.
This is a Marx commie thread, watch where your turf lies /pol/tard...
>>33073
>Fascism is a [politically incorrect] political ideology and discussion of it should be on /pol/ (where it is regularly discussed). On the other hand marxism is a philosophy and a science which should be allowed discussion on /his/.
No. You can discuss philosophy here but not politics. "Marxism is a science" just fucking listen to yourself. Pic is you.
>>33186
The point is that no ideology should have a thread here
You literally belong to /pol/ with your politics
>>33099
Its social science you fascist scum
Marxism belongs in social science!
>>33157
>>Marx predicted revolutions on advanced capitalist countries
>NOPE
Yes he did. They just haven't happen yet.
>>33157
>>Marx predicted immiseration of the middle class
>NOPE
Immiseration? Vanishing? Yes Marx predicted that.
>>33157
>>Marx predicted that economic crisis would become more frequent
>NOPE
Yes.
Seriously you suck at Marxism.
>>33180
Here we are. You're on the ideological side of bourgeoisie so you refuse to acknowledge that science could be bourgeois or proletarian. Like that you try to masquerade bourgeois science as universal science, not related to classes.
If you can't have a reasonable discussion about Marx here, where can you have it?
It's not literary art, so /lit/ doesn't want it anymore. The guys over at /pol/ definitely don't want it.
I think the board that encompasses history and philosophy is the best place.
>>33233
K I L L Y O U R S E L F
>>33223
>fascist scum
Pure cringe
Back to plebbit kiddo
>>33223
And here he goes complaining about how your ideology is a special snowflake
>people unable to distinguish a mode of analysis from a political ideology
Marxism is not synonymous with Communism
>>33233
By "NOPE" I meant that his predictions didn't come true you turboautist.
>>33099
If you want to provide a valuable critique of dialectical and historical materialism, then I won't stop you.
>>33118
>every other ideology doesn't belong here?
Other philosophies belong here.
>>33123
>yes but fascism, and its ideas, has an history.
The discussion of fascist thought and history should be allowed on /his/, but political discussion of fascism should not.
>>32969
>hugbox
>not /pol/
lol
>>33275
>Marxism is not synonymous with Communism
It is. But "leftist" try to scuttle that.
>>33280
Ho sorry.
I don't see why 4channers hate Marx when he is the greatest man that have lived before hitler, besides he's a german ffs
>>33242
No fucking politics on /his/. "Nobody else wants it" should give you a clue. Marxism is fucking cancer, no wonder no board wants it. And if it gets discussed here, then we should also allow discussion of other ideologies like fascism and national socialism. Which nobody wants.
>>33242
you can easily have it on /pol/ it's not my fault Marxism is hated universally
>>33242
/his/ is a /pol/ protectorate i'm afraid, it appears we have to go to /lit/ to have the discussion.
>>33291
Except it isn't, Communism predated Marx by a long shot, Marx did not advocate any real political outlines for a Communist state, what he provided was a new way of understanding and explaining how class relations functioned in society both today and historically
>>33242
>The guys over at /pol/ definitely don't want it.
Tough luck then, since that's where it belongs. You don't get to post things that aren't board related, just because you have no other place
>>33233
How could science be bourgeois or proletarian? What does that even mean?
Take for example the zinc-carbon battery. A chemist finds out one day that the chemical reaction is
4Zn(s) + 8MnO2(s) + ZnCl2(aq) + 9 H2O(l) → 8 MnO(OH)(s) + Zn(OH)Cl(aq) +5H2O +4ZnO
How does Marxism play into this? "No the battery actually doesn't work like this, because means of production!"
Now I understand why this thread was deleted last time, janitors please do your work!
>>33322
>it's not my fault Marxism is hated universally
Found the American
>>33309
Fuck you, it is politics that lead to history-making
>>32646
Because Marxism is an immoral philosophy, it's pretty stupid, and thus it's low-tier philosophy like "but how do we REALLY know we're not in a dream"
>>33356
>Communism predated Marx by a long shot
Since when? Where does that word appear before Marx?
>Marx did not advocate any real political outlines for a Communist state
Of course. Marx dictates how the proletariat must seize power.
>provided was a new way of understanding
provided the scientific way of understanding
A history and philosophy board that bans discussion of Marx is absurd. Not even a fan of him.
>>33360
What type of flimsy argument is that, you could declare evolution to be non-science because it has no place in the function of a fucking battery
>>33207
>Talking about the possibility of "no ideology" in a Marxism thread
Someone give him the Z
>>33356
ugh, another 'muh real communism has never been tried' thread.
Can't you guys fuck off to leftypol on 4+4 chan and leave all the other boards in fucking peace?
Only 13 year old autists see ANY value in marxism.
>>33309
Politics makes history faggot, which is why we must fight leftists everywhere we encounter them.
>people equating Marxism with political economy
Displaying your ignorance. Marxism is far more than political economy. It has things to say about history, philosophy, religion, sociology etc.
>>33431
Then what the fuck is bourgoise science?
>>33360
>How could science be bourgeois or proletarian? What does that even mean?
It means which class it serves science is made by scientists, who are people, not abstract entities. And it's how they try to understand and describe things, how it serves politics. An idealist approach is bourgeois, a materialist one communist.
My fault I was not precise.
>>33413
>A history and philosophy board
there is no "history and philosophy board", this is history and humanities board.
fuck off, sjw
>>33443
>Can't you guys fuck off to leftypol on 4+4 chan and leave all the other boards in fucking peace?
>I want 4chan to be a hugbox where everyone has the same opinions on things and we can kiss our asses and circlejerk all day long
But why
>>33186
Tough guy detected
>>33486
>This board is dedicated to the discussion of history and the other humanities such as philosophy, religion, law, classical artwork, archeology, anthropology, ancient languages, etc.
>OP is right, why was it deleted?
>read this thread
>oh
>>33486
A humanities board that bans discussion of Marx is absurd.
Every discipline of the humanities has been influenced by him.
>>33488
If someone posts mlp outside of /mlp/, he gets banned too.
Stick to the rules, post things where they are allowed
Don't post videogames on /tv/
Don't post music on /ck/
Don't post politics on /his/
>>33406
>Where does that word appear before Marx?
are you asking about the origins of the word or the origins of the system? The latter is much older than the former
hey op i had a thread up yesterday about socialist achievements and it stayed relatively on topic even through the arguments. the trick with /his/ is that you should be talking about events and their implications, mods on this bored are generally pretty fair and dont want this place to turn into /pol/
>>33552
Well good thing it's allowed on this board then?
Did you even read the header
>>33488
Wrong, people don't want to blow Marxists the fuck out about how their ideology is literally retarded every single time it shows up.
So do you think national socialism threads should be made too?
>>33406
The word was first coined decades before Marx, a simply visit to OED would show you that, regardless of the term itself the idea of the abolition of classes goes back to the Greeks and probably further
>>33533
>Every discipline of the humanities has been influenced by him
yeah, the purges, the great leap forward, the holodomor....
>>33583
I mainly don't want people to go in threads about things they don't like and whine that those people should go somewhere else when their thread is completely legit
If you want to make a thread about NatSoc and make it board-relevant then sure, go for it
>>33569
>mods on this bored are generally pretty fair and dont want this place to turn into /pol/
>pretending to not be from /pol/ to appear normal
Nice try, stormlord
>>33587
>The origin of the first production system called communism.
well Marx and Engels coined that term
however unless you're composing a dictionary I fail to see the importance of the term itself. Classless societies based on property sharing have been around as an idea since at least ancient Greece
>>33552
But /his/ is forged through petty politics...
Marxism is not just a political ideology, it is a philosophy that held by what you call "autists" since its the only Marxism is simple crude political philosophy...
>>33605
>he thinks the holodomer is real
>>33642
>stormlord
sounds badass
>>33643
>>The origin of the first production system called communism.
>well Marx and Engels coined that term
So communism is the production system when the classes will vanish.
>>33605
>these were not historical events
>>33713
>>33688
you're repeating yourself
we already established that Marx invented the word
he did not, by a long shot, invent the system
>>33660
>implying Stalin was an ardent follower of Marxist ideology...
>holohoax is real you bastard!
>>33605
>holodomor
Nazi propaganda.
>>33569
>the trick with /his/ is that you should be talking about events and their implications
This shouldn't be the way it is; this is a history and humanities board. We should be allowed to post "humanities"-related topics without them being tied into some historic event.
>>33742
>he did not, by a long shot, invent the system
Yes because it's the proletariat that will invent it.
Are you referring of the system described by Gracchus Babeuf?
>>33747
>>implying Stalin was an ardent follower of Marxist ideology...
Yes he was.
>>33739
>>33748
hello /leftypol/ shil
>have a humanities board
>attempt to discuss Walter Benjamin, Adorno, Sartre, Althussar, Deleuze, Lacan, Badiou, Foucoult, Jameson, Chomsky, Zizek without being able to discuss Marx
What makes Marxist analysis different from other ideologies is that it actually matters in the humanities.
>>33780
Off topic post, but this board wasn't what I hoped it would be
>>33768
why do you speak in the future tense? Are you from 1917 St Petersburg?
and no, I'm referring to an egalitarian classless society based on property sharing, as described by Plato
>>33799
>>33742
>marx invented the word communism
>it's a french word
>marx invented it
are u sure m8
>>33569
>events
lel baby tier approach to history
>>33806
This board is exactly what I expected it to be
Some niche threads where educated people would be talking about cool stuff, and a whole lot of shitflinging where retards gather
>>33792
none of those thinkers are culturally, scientifically, or politically relevant outside academic wank circles so we'd be none the worse imo
>>33830
while the word "communist" was technically used before, it did not become commonplace and synonymous with the system it was describing until the publication of the Communist Manifesto
>>33879
>None of the most important political thinkers of the past century are politically relevant
I mean, you can disagree with them, but to claim Foucault isn't relevant to political or cultural thought seems wilfully ignorant
>>33889
So what, you were proven wrong it predated him and is not synonymous with his theory, what you're doing now is just getting close to shifting the goalposts
Why isn't all this spam shitposting being deleted?
>>33948
put your potato gun away, I was technically wrong. You can mark that one on your "arguments won" whiteboard
>>33809
Because communism is not reach. It's future.
>and no, I'm referring to an egalitarian classless society based on property sharing, as described by Plato
It has nothing in common with communism. Communism is not egalitarian and not about property sharing. It's about sharing the means of production.
>>33830
All the communism words are French. Even the red flag is French.
>>34001
that's because socialism started with the french revolution
>>33986
Communism as described by Marx and Engels is literally egalitarian and denounces property rights
are you sure you know what you're talking about?
>>33965
you triggered?
>>34061
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egalitarianism
>According to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary, the term has two distinct definitions in modern English:[6] either as a political doctrine that all people should be treated as equals and have the same political, economic, social, and civil rights;[7] or as a social philosophy advocating the removal of economic inequalities among people, economic egalitarianism, or the decentralization of power
notice something familiar?
>>34067
When something is against the rules it should be deleted. It doesn't matter if I'm "triggered" or not.
>>34150
He's just posting marxists, nothing wrong with that, is there?
>>34150
You wouldn't be complaining if I was posting anti fascist pictures, sjw
>>34104
Egalitarianism is an casual output of Communism not a prerequisite of it, likewise Marx only advocated the abolition of private not personal property, if you don't understand the difference you clearly have not done enough research to attempt a criticism
>>34226
>>34198
Yes we would, its reducing discussion to childish image based reasoning that should be kept in its containment board
>>34280
That's a very bourgois position to take, anon. I think everyone should own the thread and decide what to do with it, not just you
>>34280
>>34234
that distinction relies on Marx's own definitions and the only difference is some vague idea about means of production vs consumer property. It remains unclear what happens when your personal property become a means of production
Banning the discussion of Marxism from a board that is dedicated to the discussion of history and the humanities, with an emphasis on the later part, is absolutely ridiculous.
The first argument in its support would obviously be the stance that marxism is a political doctrine and so more fitting inside /pol/. This alone is a big flaw, as marxism is so much more.
The basic works of Marx contain the first elements of an elaborate political movement, but Das Kapital is more a sociological/economical work which describes the growing verelendung of the masses based on statistical research. Marx proposes then that this event is a part of the greater scheme of things, as his historical materialism says that the oppression of the proletariat is historical given fact; since the start of civilization we have seen this occuring in numerous disguises. This part of Marx work, one of his most crucial insights, of course contains a political message, as the oppression of the proletariat will only enlarge and ultimately lead to a social revolution, but concept of historical materialism an sich is nothing more than historical sociology, which clearly deserves a place for discussion on this board.
Now when we leave Marx and go to more modern times, we will see an even greater amount of works in which the marxist doctrine is dominant, but the object of observance is non-political (of course this state of the object is politic, as is everything in marxism, but the object an sich isn't). Marxist theory can be applied to a numerous amount of aspects of the humanities. A couple of famous examples are Lukacs and his marxist theory of the novel and Childe's marxist archeology.
Marxism deserves a place on this board
>>34234
>not a prerequisite of it
social egalitarianism as in abolition of classes is literally part of the definition of Marxism
please educate yourself
>>34393
fuck off sjw
>>34419
I'm speaking of property in relation to egalitarianism obviously you mong
>>34498
so you admit social egalitarianism is a core tenet of Communism?
>ITT /pol/tards get royally BTFO after attempting actual arguments
>resort to spamming images in a hissyfit
lel this board is going to be /lit/ 2.0 afterall
>>34585
He's just posting fellow proletarians, why does that upset you so much?
>>34585
You're the only one who got BTFO, shill
Because all Marx threads derails into a commies vs stormfags shitfest
>>34659
this board isn't even a day old and it's already shit
redditors and polacks need to fuck off back to their respective shitholes
>>34771
no worse than you SJWs posting "le ugly nadzis!!"
>>34428
I'm not a social justice warrior, I'm not even a marxist, but marxism is a philosophy which had such an enormous influence on multiple aspects of academy during the 20th century that it would be ridiculous to ignore it on a board like this, besides the already stated fact that a lot of Marx's actual work was sociological in its nature
We can't discuss one of the biggest figures in humanities on the fucking humanities board because it doesn't fit into the goddam /pol/ worldview. This is absolutely ridiculous.
>>34975
When did the board become your personal property?
>>34893
Except they hardly ever do, vast majority of the time its stormfags who resort to this which makes sense given their average literacy.
>>35226
Whatever you say man, have fun spamming memes all day with the time you could be using to learn something and have your ideas stand against challenge.
>>35119
>>35285
no, you just think that because you SJWs have a persecution complex
>>32646
Marks is a crazy ideology not a philosophy
fuck off to some lefty pol shit hole somewhere else.
>>32646
Rule 6 probably.
>>34104
Show me a quote of Marx or Engels.
