When the Roman Empire fell, the territorry they occupied didn't not inhabited. Which says me that, even on the late Middle Ages, such trace of the roman empire (like the Colosseum and the Roman Forum) could not be ignored. If that's so: Why they look deteriorated?
It seems as if no man had contact with them since the fall of the roman empire, even if they were relatively close to inhabited territories during the Middle Ages (specially Rome itself). I read about it, and supposedly in the Middle Ages, the materials of the ruins where used for other buildings, or built over them, but i don't know if that is accurate.
>>325959
Rome was pretty fucking inhabited m8.
They weren't maintained. When buildings aren't maintained, they fall apart.
Additionally they were often used as stone careers for building houses and stuff, yes.
>>326204
But how the roman architecture looks deteriorated if they were inhabited?
>>326298
During the start of the Medieval Ages, Rome's population dropped and the city of Rome sort of shifted.
The Forum Area? Literally became a squatters area/low cost housing. A lot were left to ruin and ended up being covered by dirt.
They actually showed this in one of the Assassins Creed games, I think.
>>326329
In Brotherhood, yeah. It gives a pretty accurate idea.
You can see how the Aurelian walls that enclosed the ancient city of Rome are still up, but 2/3 of the area inside is just countryside littered in ruins, with a few settlements here and there. The Renaissance city of Rome only occupies 1/3 of the area, and this is in 1500 after it had already grown to a considerable size compared to the Middle Ages.
In Bernard Cornwell's books set during the Anglo-Saxon era, he remarks that people didn't want to live near old Roman buildings because they were said to be haunted.
How much historically accurate is that?
>>325959
In Northern Africa, the Romans agricultured the shit out of that place it desertified.
>>326361
Pretty great game.
>>326387
>In Bernard Cornwell's books set during the Anglo-Saxon era, he remarks that people didn't want to live near old Roman buildings because they were said to be haunted.
Fuck no. Saxons Kings often rebuilt (as best as they could) Roman forts and made them into "Burghs" which are Castle/Town/Lord's house.
And Saxon men have a system where they serve in the Fyrd Army for a term and patrol shit/man Burghs.
>>326420
>>326361
It's just a game of course, but I think the reconstruction of Rome is rather accurate.
I want to think that both Roman and Greek History was a sad one. The knowledge they got, the architecture they develop... Such things could have been used for good, and prevent the Obscurantism to happend. But...
>esclavist economy
>using lead in most buidlings
>the 'orgy' and thirst of power
Emmm, nope.
>>326512
Nigga slaves weren't even that important to Roman economy anyway
>>326557
They were, in the sense that they used them as currency so they had an inflationary need to keep getting more slaves without even having any uses for them.
>>326512
Good thing that the Renaissance happend.
>>325959
Romans left to the north to be in HRE as Rome became flooded with mixed and other non Romans.
>>326512
What is different today?
people only live to sate their thirst of pleasure.
>>325959
Rome itself depopulated and the stones were carried away to be used as building material in newer constructions.
>>326646
What the fuck are you talking about?
>>326659
The 'orgy' of power let to disagreements with the roman militars, and with it, internal revolts; invasions, and the Roman Empire (at leats the Occidental one) got done for.
>>326725
the renaissance led to the begining of the modern age, and with it, the end of Obscurantism.
>>326885
What is this "Obscurantism" you're talking about and feel the need to capitalise?
Intellectually the Renaissance was a huge step back.
>>326968
>Intellectually the Renaissance was a huge step back.
The Renaissance was mainly cultural : it saw the triumph of humanism, and modern art. This ment the triumph of Plato over Aristotle.
Humanism spread in all of Europe. In some sense, it was the official "ideology" of europe since the popes adopted it in Rome, then the kings of France and england etc.
The Renaissance was a time when humans realized that they had potential, that they could change the world, that they could make life better, that they were important.
I think the Renaissance was much, much more influential than any wars or politicians throughout history in that it changed our mindset, they way we think today about our lives and their worth.
>>326329
>>326361
>asscreed
>>327059
Humanism was an intellectual movement. And it was possibly the most destructive in Western history.
Humanists believed that only ancient Greek and Roman texts had any value, and so they rejected all the progress made during the Middle Ages as a product of the "Dark Ages". Medieval thought had spent centuries overcoming its worship of Aristotle, and in the 14th century a scientific revolution had begun. Only for Renaissance Humanists to burn those books and return to another 300 years of worshiping Aristotle.
The Renaissance was a dark age for thought.
>Build massive, glorious empire
>A thousand consul terms, a thousand years of Roman history
>All gone
>The Emperor let the Gothic "refugees" settle within the empire due to manpower shortage for the army; "not enough kids, we need immigrants" line of reasoning we hear today
>It ends in blood, rape, and fire
>By the very people the Empire let in
Trump 2016
>>327126
Is this true? Source?
>>326573
If you can't think of anything to do with a slave i doubt you understand the Roman mindset.
The only thing that gets to me is that people saw this beautiful city, full of wonders, commodities, advancements, free space, infrastructure and institutions and all they thought was to loot it. Ostrogoths, Byzantines, Germans, they all just left it there rotting. Why the fuck did theywant to be inside the empire if they turned down the single best part of it? How come no one saw the city of wonders and the center of the known world as sometjing valuable?
>>327642
These people come from a background of real poverty, harsh living standards, and violent lives. You think even the common soldier of Rome or Byzantium had comfy lives? Of course not.
They did not come to live in Rome, they came to seize it for their general and become rich in the process.
>>327679
>early medieval era survival RPG
you are titus the slave, you have served an impoverished Patrician family in Rome all your life, doing all kinds of tasks for them in their villa on the outskirts of the Imperial metropolis
in the final days of the imperial rule, a band of raiders capture, rob and kill your masters while they attempt to escape with the few belongings they have left, you barely make it out alive. You set foot on the stones of the via appia, hoping to find shelter behind the walls of the once splendorous city.
>>327730
10/10 fund it
>>327432
No. He's talking out his ass
>>327779
You are Tara the itinerant Phoenician prostitute, in the final days of Mediterranean civilization, you must avoid being ravished by Sea people raiders, satyrs, and centaurs by throwing spears and rocks, and running away.
>>327730
Head to the ERE and laugh.
>>327856
on who's boat?
>>327679
>Fallout: New Rome when?
It's been out for 5 years now.
>>327431
>>327642
>The only thing that gets to me is that people saw this beautiful city, full of wonders, commodities, advancements, free space, infrastructure and institutions and all they thought was to loot it.
The goths came into an empire that was already falling apart. They didn't loot it so much as settle there. The divisions where the western empire eventually came apart already existed, the seeds of serfdom and feudalism had already been sown and it all didn't happen because of muh immigrantz.
If anything, immigrants were pretty damn good for the empire, considering it only lasted as long as it did because of practically the entire army being composed of them. Maybe if the Romans had kept their promises about paying them and treating them well then they would have stayed Roman armies instead of deciding that a centralized Roman rule for Romans was not worth dying for.
There are plenty of legitimate reasons for being anti-immigration but trying to tie in some fanfiction fall of Rome is retarded.
>>328035
Rome was not literally falling apart by the time Romulus Augustus got dethroned.
>>327779
either way, there's almost no games set in historical contexts where you actually live in the world instead of being some kind of deity, hero, overlord, or otherwise outsider to the society and world there.
>>325959
Stupid renaissance Italians could not into concrete so they just ripped it off the roman buildings
Thanks alot shitskins
>>325959
Walk around your town.
I am sure that you will found deteriorated buildings.
>tfw all the cool names were gone after Rome
Mediolanum sounds way better than fucking Milan
>>327432
Yes it is. Read God's Philosophers for a good general history of medieval science.
>>327642
Most of that was already abandoned and left to fall apart before the barbarians took over, by the Romans themselves. By the late empire Rome was no longer the most important city, surpassed by the East of course, but even some Western emperors never set foot in it.
>>328130
Ever seen the Guild 1 & 2, although a bit later setting then the bronze age.
>>325959
>Why they look deteriorated?
Well who would care for their repair in the middle ages, especially following the lombards weakening Byzantium's hold on Italy?
And then there's the issue that some anons have pointed out already, about disassembling (sorry if that's not the right word) the ancient, no longer in use structures to make use of the materials for stuff that was being built at the time.
>>328083
>Rome was not literally falling apart by the time Romulus Augustus got dethroned.
no it was functioning quite well under Odoacer and later the ostrogoths. Italy was mostly intact until the ERE tried to reclaim it. Nice job breaking it guy.
>>330085
eh, still more adventuring than surviving, and far more poppy and fantasy looking too.
i'm thinking a mix of mount & blade with rust
>>333171
But aren't you also an outsider in Mount&Blade?
>>333257
yeah but apart from the early 'rabble boss' phase, you don't do a lot of scrapping through and surviving.
>>326512
>using lead in most buidlings
How is that bad?
>>335715
Toxic, dude.
Makes you stupid and violent, early 20th century had lead traces in gas and there was a direct correlation to crime and squalor.
