Good day fellows.
Heretics and Heathens welcome.
Pax vobis
>>319295
Bump
What are some Catholic required reading?
>>319506
Couldn't say off the top of my head but here's a nifty pastebin from the ol' /pol/ thread
http://pastebin.com/NVcvpAEP
Wolfchen should be here soon to make the thread not dead
I'm open to suggestions for this. Unless one already exists.
>>319295
>all that old testament quotes
>almost no new testament quotes
Just be a Jew if you love all that battle stuff so much. The OT is basically a giant military campaign.
>>319639
What are some of your favorite NT bits then?
"Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me." Matthew 5:11
is one of mine
>>319606
The Everlasting Man is pretty good.
Also, I haven't read these, but a lot of people like Confessions and City of God by St. Augustine.
>>320179
Just threw them on, will give 'em a chance myself sometime. If anyone has reasons something shouldn't be on here, just be clear about why.
>>319506
Anything and everything by St. Thomas of Aquinas.
Do Catholics distinguish between dianoia and noesis?
Who /cultural/ Catholic here?
>>320725
>anything and everything
That's enough reading for a lifetime
>>320847
This meme.
DEUS VULT
>>320872
What if the Crusades were an Orthodox conspiracy to sully the reputation of the Catholic Church?
>>320400
>LOTR
>Beowulf
But, why?
>>320862
Calvary is awesome and Carl Dreyer (the director of Ordet which is also awesome) is a Christian too I think.
Also, "The Agony and the Ecstasy" should be added to that list.
>>320893
LOTR was written by a Catholic, and a lot of people believe it has Biblical analogies.
Idk about Beowulf though.
>>320847
Get the fuck out of my Church. You people are worse than militant atheists
>>320886
Then what happened to Constantinople in the Fourth Crusade was righteous
>>320893
Well, Tolkien was a Catholic, and he loved Beowulf.
>>320960
It already was, considering the Massacre of the Latins.
Fucking Romaioi scum, trying to play the victims.
>>320893
>>320922
A lot of the lore in the LOTR is basically Biblical tales rewritten to be fantasy. Silmarillion especially.
As for Beowulf, while it may not be confirmed, there is reason to believe it is about the Christianisation of Scandinavia. Pagan monsters that can't be defeated by Pagan man. A hero who may be a representation of Christianity, comes to destroy the monsters because only through God's grace can monsters and evil be vanquished.
>>320922
I'm not the one who made that pick, but whoever wrote down Beowulf was a Christian, despite it being about pagans, since the narration references God, and Grendel is said to be a descendant of Cain.
>>321056
*pic
>>321056
Oh shit. You're right. I forgot Grendel was a descendant of Cain. My bad.
>>321038
Except every character involved in Beowulf was pagan, including the titular Beowulf who slew Grendel.
>>321056
Beowulf was pagan in origin and was shoddily contrived into a christian one.
>>321112
Beowulf's belief was never mentioned in the saga.
>That the scribes of Cotton Vitellius A.XV were Christian is beyond doubt; and it is equally certain that Beowulf was composed in a Christianised England, since conversion took place in the sixth and seventh centuries. Yet the only Biblical references in Beowulf are to the Old Testament, and Christ is never mentioned. The poem is set in pagan times, and none of the characters is demonstrably Christian. In fact, when we are told what anyone in the poem believes, we learn that they are pagans. Beowulf's own beliefs are not expressed explicitly. He offers eloquent prayers to a higher power, addressing himself to the "Father Almighty" or the "Wielder of All." Were those the prayers of a pagan who used phrases the Christians subsequently appropriated? Or, did the poem's author intend to see Beowulf as a Christian Ur-hero, symbolically refulgent with Christian virtues?[91]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beowulf#Interpretation_and_criticism
>>321112
Also it's a terribly loose analogy. I think Grendel's descendence to cane is mentioned once, it's very easy to read the whole thing and miss over that detail which would invalidate the entire message.
Something so crucial as that would be mentioned more than once. Also Beowulf is very unChristian. He promotes bragging and pride as high values which is very pagan unpagan. I remember I had an entire lecture using Beowulf's Pagan values to as a contrast to Christian values.
>>320862
>Kingdom of Heaven
>mfw
besides that, Diary of a Country Priest any good?
>>320400
>>320862
Add this one please "The Spear" by Louis de Wohl
>>321171
From the summary I assumed it was Non-Fiction.
>>321192
He uses real events, but is fiction.
Why is the Old Testament even there?
is it background fluff? Jesus Respected it in part, but he knew when to discard it.
>>321201
Fixed
>>321192
the quran is obviously fan fiction
>>321213
Add the Rule of St. Benedict perhaps.
was jesus a real person?? sargon of akkad (the youtube man) told me that paul the carinthian wrote in his letter but the christians edited to say he was real but hes not real??
>>321278
Aquinas got his methodology from Averroes. Having the Quran there with the subtitle "know your enemy" is pretty fair. You're an atheist anyway, so your opinion isn't worth more than a Muslim's.
>>321341
I was confirmed by an East Catholic Bishop. Do we just not give a shit anymore?
>>321279
Most probably yes. If you were going to make up a God, why would you make up a smelly hobo moocher who got punked after three years of preaching? One who was a follower of another dude before setting out on his own?
There were probably a lot of dudes like Jesus bopping around back then, like john the Baptist, and he got lucky and struck it big.
The Christ Myth theory is simply an attempt to completely debase christian thought.
>>321366
>>321292
Okay I admit that was a bad joke but I was listening a sargon of akkad video and he brought that up at one point, the stupid shit he was saying concerning that was driving me nuts. I just wanted everyone to prove me wrong. I've been reading this book lately.
http://www.amazon.com/Did-Jesus-Exist-Historical-Argument/dp/B008J9FFQ8
It's a pretty good one but I feel like it gets pretty boring later on since its mainly a deconstruction of mythicist arguments and just pointing out the ways in they're wrong. About half way in I was like alright this is getting a bit pointless to read because he was just going over the same stuff over and over again.
>>321363
I think that Jesus was probably an apocalyptical preacher who actually had apostles, got crucified, and the apostles tried to find meaning in his death ended up making all the gospels and stuff. I wish copies of the Q document were still around it'd be so cool to see the origins of that stuff.
>>321366
Mary is not the "queen of heaven" or "mother of God" which was a pagan practice and belief.
>>321390
I wonder if Wolfchen will ever find us
>>321407
She literally is the mother of God though.
![[Mwees externally].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/hTJR4ah.jpg "[Mwees externally].jpg")
>>321402
>I think that Jesus was probably an apocalyptical preacher who actually had apostles, got crucified, and the apostles tried to find meaning in his death ended up making all the gospels and stuff
It's probably something like this.
Also, another point in favor of historicity is how all of his followers fucking bail when he gets into shit, and only come back later. If you were making it up, you'd probably leave that out.
As for the missing body, it probably was missing, but rather than a resurrection, I suspect that the Romans destroyed it in an attempt to curb his worship, which may have been the biggest fuck up ever.
>>321407
>mfw Nestorians
>>321432
Mary is not the Mother of God, Who has been from forever to forever,and of course Mary was part of the fallen Adamic race and she was a sinner
>>321407
>Mary is the mother of Jesus
>Jesus is God
>therefore Mary is the mother of God
I dont understand why you are struggling with this
>>321278
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/9/vatican-makes-history-pope-allows-islamic-prayers-/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1140549/Pope-says-Koran-book-peace-Islam-peaceful-religion.html
>>321461
He's a Nestorian.
>>321407
The Holy Mother is referred to as being crowned in Ap 12:1-2:
[1] And there appeared a great wonder in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars:
[2] And being with child, she cried travailing in birth, and was in pain to be delivered.
Typically, this is interpreted as a double allusion: first to the Holy Mother, second to the Church which is clothed in the light of the sun - Christ - and under her feet is the moon, a symbol for the ever changing world.
Regarding Our Lady as the Mother of God, Lk 1:43 gives a rather explicit reference:
[43] And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
>>321458
I think apocalyptic preacher is off kilter a bit.
I think of Jesus as kind of the Jewish Socrates/Antisthenes, as he was more interested in morality than law giving or impending apocalypses.
I do, however, believe that the idea of the empty tomb can be attributed to destruction of the corpse in order to stop worshipers from venerating it, as that's been a human practice since time immemorial.
They did it to John the Baptist, Savonarola, and Osama bin laden.
>>319295
here brehs
>>321502
Neat
>>321486
Who speaks for the Church?
>>321527
What do you mean by "speaks for the Church?"
>mfw we were taught Evolution in History Class
>mfw American Public Schools don't
Fucking pr*ds, man.
>>321546
I mean who represents the Church?
>>321590
That's the fault of low- church Protestants though, not of Catholics
>>321601
I know, that's why I blamed the Pr*ds
>>321594
What do you mean by "represents the church?" Do you mean "whom is the Church made of?" "Who decides what the Church believes?" "Who talks to the media when it questions the Church?"
>>321592
This is fair.
I should make the image look nice sometime.
Also fiction is dwindling in comparison folks. I checked my bookshelf for ideas but everything that was Pagan-esque or 40k, save for Dune. Unfortunately Dune would go on an Islamic's recommended reading instead of ours.
>>321615
Yes, I went to Catholic School and evolution was part of the curriculum, then learned that it wasn't in American Public schools.
We could have stopped this.
What do you guys think about Charlemagne
Things that trigger you
>picture depicting sack of Constantinople
>shows Templar knights to depict the crusaders
>templars didn't participate in that crusade
>>321666
>"know thy enemy"
>enemy
>666
>>321708
The idea that Catholics are fundamentalist or creationist.
Also, people not knowing what Catholics are.
>Catholic, is that like Christian?
>>321719
wat
>>321708
>People who think that the EF is the only good rite of the Mass
>People who think that the Novus Ordo is the only good rite of the Mass
>SSPX'ers
>People who think that the Church was impersonal and mean before Vatican II
4/5 Patriarchs prefer a leavened host, you know.
>>321699
There ya go
I thought Divine Comedy was against Catholicism for some reason, google gave me no evidence to support my claim
>>321801
There are people who think there's only one good rite?
>>323471
Lord of the Rings? Beowulf? What?
>>319295
I wish people would read Luke 22 rather than just coming out with this pure bullshit.
>>320173
When Jesus chased a bunch of demon pigs off a cliff. I remember having a pretty 'wtf' moment hearing that in church as a wee lad.
So how many in this thread are *actual* catholics, and not just being edgy memelords who don't want to be associated with fedora tier reddit atheists?
>>323700
>So how many in this thread are *actual* catholics
>on 4chan
>>323726
Exactly.
>Catholics
Why do you insist on being Heretics?
>>323909
Unless you're Orthodox, I can't accept that nonsense from you.
>>323924
I am Orthodox senpai
>>323931
Then bants all you want, you shits are the only other branch of Christianity I can take seriously.
>>323936
Why do you support Papal Supremacy? I just can't see any reasonable argument for it
>>319295
Religion of keks, how does it feel to be brainwashed?
>2015
>trusting the Vatican State
Hindu master race here
Red pill me on Christianity
>>324042
Its correct
>>324042
They worship one of Vishnu's avatars called Jesus.
The Old Testament.
Who wrote it? I know most people see it as stories telling you about god and how you should live your life rather than literal, but then wouldn't the author have had to had extensive knowledge on the thoughts and beliefs of god?
>>319506
Lolita
What as your guy's confirmation name and why did you pick it? I went with St Blaise because my teacher pronounced it as "Blaze" and I was like woah that's like fire that's cool! In hind sight I regret it and wish I had chosen a better one that meant more to me but I guess that's what happens when you ask a 13 year old what name they want haha.
>>324363
John
Because it's also my father's name and I chose also to honour him.
>>324363
Joan because I was a super edgelord that thought mental disorders were cool, I don't regret my decision though. Vive la France
>>324363
Francis, because St Francis is rad, and my sponsor was named Frances.
>>324363
I'm in RCIA right now and leaning towards Augustine. I come from a wealthy family and my mother raised me right, but I still ended up stealing for the sake of it, aggressively resisting Christianity, and I continue to struggle with sexual immorality to this day.
That said, I'm also considering St. Michael because my family has been heavily involved in the occult and I honestly feel like I'm being spiritually attacked sometimes. It can last for a long time, but calling out to Christ and Michael always ends it pretty quickly.
>>324112
You don't have to protect 5,000,000 pedophiles and let them each rape 20 times to be a corrupt organization. You only need to once. People used to think the Catholic Church was some moral authority, and now they don't
Could someone give me the tl;dr version of what Vatican II was and did?
>>325072
It basically ruined everything
>>323471
Add Paradise Lost to fiction.
This board doesn't need generals for every shitty sect, fuck off please :)
>>325096
Go into more details nigga
>>321428
I had a list of recommended Christian reading but I've yet to find a solid format to organize it into. Though largely for lack of trying.
Interior Castle by St. Teresa of Avila
Story of a Soul by St. Therese of Lisieux
The Philokalia
The Ladder of Divine Ascent
Summa Theologiae
The Didache
The Desert Fathers
Little Flowers of St. Francis of Assisi
Rome Sweet Home by Scott Hahn
The Seven Storey Mountain by Thomas Merton
The Dark Night of the Soul by St. John of the Cross
Orthodoxy by G.K. Chesterton
The Everlasting Man by G.K. Chesterton
City of God
Apologia Pro Vita Sua by John Newman
The Spirit of Catholicism
Against Heresies
Dialogues by St. Catherine of Sienna
Spiritual Exercises by St. Ignatius
CATHOLICISM by Robert Barron
The Catechism of the Catholic Church
The Last Superstition by Edward Feser
The Spirit of Medieval Philosophy by Etienne Gilson
Introduction to Christianity by Joseph Ratzinger (Pope Benedict the XVI)
Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis
The Long Loneliness by Dorothy Day
The Way of Perfection by St. Teresa of Avila
The Imitation of Christ by Thomas Kempis
New Seeds of Contemplation by Thomas Merton
Aquinas by Edward Feser
>FICTION THUS FAR
Silence by Shusaku Endo
Don Quixote by Cervantes
The Divine Comedy
Paradise Lost
A Canticle for Leibowitz by Walter Miller Jr.
Faust
Les Miserables by Victor Hugo
The Canterbury Tales
The Name of the Rose by Umberto Eco
A Man for All Seasons by Robert Bolt
The Pillars of the Earth by Ken Follet
The Lord of the Rings by J.R.R. Tolkien
The Chronicles of Narnia by C.S. Lewis
The Man Who Was Thursday by G. K. Chesterton
The Brothers Karamazov by Dostoyevsky
Brideshead Revisited by Evelyn Waugh
Descent Into Hell by Charles Williams
The Power and the Glory by Graham Greene
>>325111
god bless
>>323471
>Have an atheist in my english class during my second semester of college.
>Have Dante's Inferno on the reading list
>Finally get up to reading in class only to have atheist girl complain about having to read it, saying she doesn't believe in it every few moments.
>See LIBERAL professor's face have an annoyed look, and want to to tell her to shut the fuck up
>Be last day of class, professor says anybody that isn't in this class failed
>Don't see atheist girl
>>324363
Luke, because I was into Star Wars at the time.
>>325111
Just Catholics and Orthodox
I know this isn't really what /his/ is about, but I'll ask you guys anyway.
I've been praying lately for some kind of guidance. A dream. A sign. Anything at all. Am I doing something wrong if I'm getting nothing? I've been told that God speaks in a "small, still voice" but I have heard nothing.
>>327066
Hahaha this one is pretty silly
>>320893
LOTR is a deeply Catholic work, written by a man whose Catholicism was literally his entire life
>>327050
kek
She just didn't show up to class that one day and the professor failed her?
>>331192
She didn't do the work for Dante, because she didn't read it, and also failed to do a report on a topic we could pick ourselves. When her and others didn't show up, the professors said they had already failed, so there was no point in them showing up on the final day.
>>332331
glorious
