>Forasmuch as there are certain persons who kneel on the Lord's Day [Sunday] and in the days of Pentecost, therefore, to the intent that all things may be uniformly observed everywhere (in every parish), it seems good to the holy Synod that prayer be made to God standing.
-Fist Ecumenical Council, Canon XX
Imagine if these people did something useful instead of using "God" to justify their authority.
>>319028
Oh, you mean like donating to charity?
>>319548
It's a big religion
>>319552
Was getting caught part of your plan?
>>319046
More like ending the economic systems that create poverty.
>>319569
of course, judas refused our offer in favour of yours we have to find out what he told you
>>319552
For Jews.
>>319601
How?
>>319694
communism you silly willy
that's right, instead of donating to charity, christians should donate communist revolutionaries
>>319745
Christianity doesn't believe in murder, though, and communists advocate wholesale slaughter of a class and always practice that.
>>319841
>believe in murder
u wot
>>319883
Christianity is against murder.
>>319604
Underrated post
>>319569
If I scourge you, will you die?
>>319745
Wow, that's really an awful argument. Communs Communism has failed to do that. Christianity hasn't alleviated all suffering but it doesn't aim to, it only seeks to liberate the Spirit.
>>319745
>do something useful and get another ruthless authoritarian into power who uses forced labor
>>320066
It would be extremely painful.
TELL ME ABOUT GOD
WHY DID HE TAKE ON HUMAN FLESH?
For CIA so loved the world that he gave his one and only agent, so that whoever believes in him shall not perish in the wreckage but gets to stay on his aircraft.
>>320098
OF THE JEWS
Or perhaps he's wondering why you would try a man, before nailing him onto a cross!
>>319745
Jesus Begins
The Good Lord
The Good Lord Rises
>>319694
By creating communal society where the people own the means of production and use it for their use, not for profit accumulation. A society where charity doesn't exist because there aren't people suffering the artificial condition of not having necessities met. This coincides with basic Christian beliefs: teach a man to fish, the least among these, the rich being denied heaven, etc.
>>319841
Not true, communists accept that the bourgeois can betray their class and establish socialism. They aren't class essentialists (idealists). But yes, those that wish to continue their violence against the lower classes should be met with violence by the lower classes. But it's funny how the Christians don't believe in murder until they feel the need to do so.
>>320319
>>320367
>By creating communal society where the people own the means of production and use it for their use, not for profit accumulation. A society where charity doesn't exist because there aren't people suffering the artificial condition of not having necessities met.
How do you suppose the Church should do that?
>Not true, communists accept that the bourgeois can betray their class and establish socialism. They aren't class essentialists (idealists)
>Not true, communists accept that the bourgeois can betray their class and establish socialism. They aren't class essentialists (idealists). But yes, those that wish to continue their violence against the lower classes should be met with violence by the lower classes. But it's funny how the Christians don't believe in murder until they feel the need to do so.
Communist regimes have always been inaugurated by a ton of murder.
Christians don't believe in murder, full stop. It was only ever possible to accept killing someone in cold blood before there was a sprawling, relatively human prison system where dangerous criminals could be confined.
>>320373
>ignoring the fact that democratic socialism is the ruling ideology in most of Western Europe
>>320367
>[The workers] must work to ensure that the immediate revolutionary excitement is not suddenly suppressed after the victory. On the contrary, it must be sustained as long as possible. Far from opposing the so-called excesses – instances of popular vengeance against hated individuals or against public buildings with which hateful memories are associated – the workers’ party must not only tolerate these actions but must even give them direction.
>>320735
Hasn't been for a while. Parties like Labour of the UK are explicitly no longer socialist, but neoliberal.
>>320773
Doesn't change the fact that large scale wealth redistribution is common in Europe, especially in France and the Nordics.
I suspect that democratic socialism is a better choice for rich countries than for poor ones.
>>320780
Large scale wealth distribution =! socialism. Socialism means the abolition of wage labor and the credit system.
>>320727
>How do you suppose the Church should do that?
The Church can't, it's proven throughout its entire history to be allied to the ruling classes. At best it's a mediator but a mediator interested in 'peace' and not actually changing class oppression, and only in furthering its own interests. If Christians want to enact Christianity they should ignore the Church for the church to be honest.
>Communist regimes have always been inaugurated by a ton of murder.
No, but I'd say most.
>Christians don't believe in murder, full stop.
At least Communists are honest about it. Again, funny how how the Christians don't believe in murder until they feel the need to do so.
>>320753
You're not reading carefully, nothing in there contradicts what I said. To illustrate, let's quote the immediately following passage, literally its continuation:
>During and after the struggle the workers must at every opportunity put forward their own demands against those of the bourgeois democrats. They must demand guarantees for the workers as soon as the democratic bourgeoisie sets about taking over the government. They must achieve these guarantees by force if necessary, and generally make sure that the new rulers commit themselves to all possible concessions and promises – the surest means of compromising them.
It should also be noted that Marxist theories aren't catholic dogmas (pun intended). Allende and many communists sought and took power through the ballot.
>>320997
>Muh ruling classes
The Kingdom is not of this world. Christianity actually isn't a precursor to Marxism. Judaism is.
>>321025
>>320997
>The Church can't, it's proven throughout its entire history to be allied to the ruling classes. At best it's a mediator but a mediator interested in 'peace' and not actually changing class oppression, and only in furthering its own interests. If Christians want to enact Christianity they should ignore the Church for the church to be honest.
The Church has sometimes been protected by the state, sometimes kicked around by it. it was only really ever an ally of it the state with the Roman Empire/Byzantine, and in Russia until Peter the Great.
>At least Communists are honest about it. Again, funny how how the Christians don't believe in murder until they feel the need to do so.
I'm Orthodox, we don't even believe in just war theory.
>>321051
It's true, though.
>>321051
you fags who get constantly triggered are worse than any /pol/ack
>>321025
Christianity is a form Judaism, at least as much as Rabbinical Judaism is.
"Not of this world" doesn't mean not on earth, the word used for world in Greek in far more nuanced, and means "the order".The order is the material abstracted from the spiritual. The King of God is a harmonization of the material and the spiritual, it exists within the Church. It will eventually be totally restored, so that both are at total harmony.
>>320367
>it's funny how the Christians don't believe in murder until they feel the need to do so.
How true!
>>321142
>>323019
Christianity is literally based on fulfilling God's promise to the Jews, with Jesus as the Jewish Messiah from Isaiah.
>>319018
>Fist Ecumenical Council
>Fist
kek
