ALRIGHT! Lets get some byzantine history cooking in here. I shall start
Edward Gibbons is a dick.
oops
>>318466
im pretty sure heraclius eventually kicked there asses at one point.
>>318452
>The kindness that Mehmed had shown to the Emperor's surviving ministers was of short duration.... Five days after the fall of the city [3 June] he gave a banquet. In the course of it, when he was well flushed with wine, someone whispered to him that Notaras's fourteen-year-old son was a boy of exceptional beauty. The Sultan at once sent a eunuch to the house of the [Megas Doux] to demand that the boy be sent to him for his pleasure. Notaras, whose elder sons had been killed fighting, refused to sacrifice the boy to such a fate. Police were then sent to bring Notaras with his son and his young son-in-law, the son of the Grand Domestic Andronikos Palaiologos Kantakouzenos, into the Sultan's presence. When Notaras still defied the Sultan, orders were given for him and the two boys to be decapitated on the spot. Notaras merely asked that they should be slain before him, lest the sight of his death should make them waver. When they had both perished he bared his neck to the executioner. The following day nine other Greek notables were arrested and sent to the scaffold.[7]
>>318504
hell, im not even byzantine. Im Murican, i just find byzantine history to be extremely interesting and i find it sad that it has been forgotten and shunned
>>318487
No, some people think he was a closest Muslim. apparently he tried to convert people but they got really mad so he said it was all a test.
>>318504
What is that black shape over the Greek flag?
hey guys, Basil II
Byzantium thread?? I'll just leave this here
What could have saved the Greek Empire before the 4th Crusade? Supposed you were the Emperor and the Massacre of the Latin martyrs didn't happen.
>>318595
Well naturally with the knowledge I have now I would have just modernized the hell out of it.
But to be fair the Komnenoi restoration was the last hope the Empire had. Maybe they would have been able to held on Greece if the 4th Crusade didn't happen, and from then on wait until the Rum Sultanate got broken by the Mongols.
Varingians, Lots of them
>>318593
i'll just leave this here
>>318636
REMOVE MINARETS
remove minarets
>greeks thinking they're roman
yeah well, thats all i could find :C
>>318636
It's been gutted to turn into a mosque.
>>318674
sigh.... the Romans were pretty much a reskinned Greece. They tried to be like them in so many ways. Its okay for a Roman to Think they are Greek but not okay for a Greek to think they are roman? C'mon son, the common language of the Roman empire was greek.
Daily reminder Rome died in 44 BC
>>318688
>C'mon son, the common language of the Roman empire was greek.
Holy shit you actually think this, I bet you think the HRE was german too
>>318700
>not 509 BC
The Republic is a lie
>>318687
yeah, well, i have no problem with islam... i just have a problem with the Hagia sophia being a mosque, not a church
>>318710
753 bc was an inside job
>>318706
it sure as hell wasn't roman...
>>318721
HRE is more roman than anything coming from Constantishitpole
>>318564
Corfu
>>318732
Constantishitpole?
why was it shit?
>>318363
So where was the point of no return where the Byzantines where officially screwed?
>>318732
At least the HRE had Italy and the Bishop of Rome.
>>318738
4th crusade or manzikert
>>318732
Constantinople was a roman city. The HRE was just a bunch of germans
>>318738
Langobard/Lombard dick
>>318741
true...true...
at least the byzantines had the eastern half of the empire
God, this tread turned into a shit storm pretty fast...
>>318759
Welcome to 4chan
>>318732
try harder faggot
>>318738
1345, when Stefan Dusan finished his conquests.
>State was broke
>Sad no manpower
>Was a rump of its former self
>Dusan didn't have the balls to accept the offer to the imperial throne, combining Serbia and Romania into a new, revitalized empire
Serbs ruin everything.
>>318466
>17000 v 70000
>minimal losses, entire force
Bullshit meter is off the charts
>mfw the Macedonian empire fell due to Alexander dying early
>mfw Byzantine empire fell because of Phocas
>mfw Greeks were under the control of the Ottomans for just about the remainder of the time after the Byzantines
Why can't Greeks have an empire and hold on to it?
Why can't Greeks hold at
>>318732
>Germanic tribes imitating Roman customs
>more Roman than anything
>>321912
Byzantine empire lasted for 1000+ years m8, not that many countries can claim that.
>Macedonian empire
It split into several different countries that were ruled by Greek dynasties for centuries.
>>318738
4th crusade. Manzikert was also a crippling blow but the Komnenoi did a good job patching things up as well as they did.
The sad thing is that Manzikert need not have happened in the first place. The Seljuk sultan didn't want to do battle but the Byzantine emperor felt he had to take his victory by force. End result, he got captured and his army scattered. And the turks became a permanent fixture in anatolia. All due to one man's ego.
Post underrated emperors.
Maurice almost patched it together. Almost.
>>318466
>3000 martyred
>100.000/400.000 Arab source
>Half of Byzantine force destroyed
Top kek, this totally isn't Arabic myth and folklore
>>318552
By some people, you meant muslims justifying why Byzantium didn't fall yet, right?
>>318732
Byzantium was in control of Rome far more than the HRE you faggot.
Popes were being appointed by the Byzantine Emperor for 220 years.
>that butthurt Turk in this thread
>>323000
>End result, he got captured and his army scattered. And the turks became a permanent fixture in anatolia. All due to one man's ego.
That's way too simplistic. Romanos wasn't wrong in trying to shore up what was left of their holdings and themes in Anatolia, and he did a damn good job of it, even with the steep decline of the Byzantine thematic armies (thanks to Doukid neglect). It was his own dedication and dynamic leadership that even gave the Byzantines a chance to go head to head with the Seljuks.
Hell, Manzikert was a complete stalemate until the Andronikos Doukas betrayed him and caused the whole army to rout. Even after that, Alp Arslan's treaty on Romanos was extremely generous and left the Anatolian core untouched; it's the resulting deposing of Romanos and the ceaseless civil wars after the fact that finally let the Seljuks overrun the rest of Anatolia.
>>323691
>until the Andronikos Doukas
*until Andronikos Doukas, dammit.
Got blown the fuck out by Turks
>>321912
i dont think it fell because of phokas, the makedonian dynasty kinda revived things
>>318732
>holy
>roman
>empire
>>318363
for fucks sake, the name is Basileía Rhōmaíōn!
>>324700
i know but i dont feel like spelling that
>>318711
>>318363
>2020
>Turkey rejected from EU again
>bitter, Turkey begs forgiveness from russia and asks to be friends
>Offer Hagia Sophia to Russian Orthodox Church as gift
>become Allies of russia.
>Invade EU and fuck shit up together
I wonder if this scenario will ever play out?
>>318593
>>326822
>kek
Turks are having trouble with ISIS on their borders, how the fuck are those peasant level niggers going to storm Europe, even with the Putin behind them they'd be crushed by western European forces with the help of Murika
>>326822
>offer Hagia Sophia to Russian Orthodox Church as gift
>Russia invades to annex Tsargrad to protect Orthodox minority
