What are some of histories biggest retcons?
>>309556
I think we're witnessing one in progress with Christopher Columbus going from celebrated navigator to literally Hitler.
>>309556
Cathars don't exist
>>309578
>implying he wasn't a shit explorer and a cruel tyrant who only got a day named after him because of Catholics and itialian communities in the U.S.
Step up
>>309578
Jesus Christ America please stop.
>>309578
>Christopher Columbus
>celebrated navigator
But that IS the retcon...
>>309578
Dude documented his enslavement of natives, rapes and killings in his personal journal
Not exactly on par with Hitler but he did open up a whole can of worms
>>309578
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faNge-o0V-k
>>309798
He is celebrated because his mission was the launch of an age of colonialism in the Americas. North and South American nations would not exist as they are today without his initial discovery.
>>309815
>huge beasts that fly upon the sea
I laughed
>>309826
Bullshit. Someone else would have "discovered" it. Someone who didn't think he was in India.
>>309556
>The American Revolution was the first guerrilla war ever, where stupid redcoats marched in straight lines and got shot at by colonials hiding in the woods that they never saw coming.
>>309907
The prevailing opinion of the age was the India and Asia would only be a few hundred miles of the coast of Europe. Whoever discovered it would have made the same mistake if they discovered it during this age. It wasn't until further analysis of what they discovered and the stories of what sailors saw when the rounded the cape of good hope, that people came to realize they were not one in the same.
>>309999
One reason that nobody sent expeditions across the Atlantic sooner is that the educated people knew that the circumference of the earth meant that India was a really, really long distance away.
Columbus miscalculated the distance by a huge amount and somehow got government funding for his dumbfuckery. Everyone would have starved to death if America hadn't been in the way.
>>309999
>The prevailing opinion of the age was the India and Asia would only be a few hundred miles of the coast of Europe.
Oh my lord please stop with this nonsense. Every single thread about Columbus someone says this crap and then you get the rest of the thread showing how Columbus was laughed out of Italy and Portugal for saying that he could get to India faster travelling west than going along the routes east when all the metrics at the time knew within a few hundred miles the circumference of the Earth and that he would in all likelihood starve or get shipwrecked before reaching India, of course not knowing that there was a continent between the two. The only reason Spain financed his plan was because, surprise surprise, they had access to the strait of Gibraltar in 1492 after finally driving the Moors back to Morocco and wanted to launch as many ships and voyages as possible and this idea by Columbus was just crazy enough to garner interest.
>>309815
>How whites took over America
Bitch whites named it America. Weren't your fucking land anyhow.
>>310129
Did you even watch the fucking video you fucking mouth drooling retard?
>>309598
this, Cathars were future as fuck, the fact that they were essentially erased from history really makes me sad.
Evolution/Natural Selection
The out of Asia theory
>>309815
Knew what it was before I clicked
Herbert Hoover was a laissez faire president and FDR eliminated the Great Depression.
>>310729
>the only thing to fear is fear itself (and Japanese-Americans, lock them away)
t. FDR
>le slavery was ebil
up until very recently you couldn't have any form of advanced civilization without slavery. Africans had been putting one another in chains for thousands of years before the white man ever showed up
>>310735
And Italian-Americans. And German-Americans.
>>310753
Pretty much any new group fresh of the boat was despised until they integrated
>>310755
We were talking about post-Pearl Harbor specifically famalam, not just anti-immigrant sentiment. He's right about the Germans though, people were afraid to admit they knew how to speak German and high schools stopped offering courses in the language for a while (which didn't last long here because I live in Wisconsin, but still).
>>309556
Google "New Chronology" by Fomenko and Nosovsky. Shit's hilarious.
>Antikythera Mechanism
>Göbekli Tepe
>Olmecs
>Longyou Caves
>>309815
i have never cringed so hard while watching an animation.
Western support for the Soviet Union.
It was common until the 1950s for huge, influential leftists, to wholeheartedly support Soviet communism, people like Beatrice and Sidney Webb, George Bernard Shaw, André Gide, Henri Barbusse, Pablo Picasso, Albert Einstein, the entire New York Times etc
Now the whole narrative is that the Soviet Union wasn't real communism, Stalin was a conservative and the Western left dindu nuffin and shouldn't feel any guilt.
>>309578
>Columbus
>celebrated navigator
The portuguese king was laughing his ass off when he presented the proposal to reach India via the west.
Isabella accepted his proposal because she was getting desperate, seeing her rival making gains into establishing a direct route to the spices.
That he actually reached the caribbeans ended up being a stroke of luck
The guy died thinking he had reached the East Indies. He was an idiot.
The literally hitler part is stupid of course.
Applying modern day values and political tones to history is something absolutely dumb.
I dont see anyone in Iran, the middle-east or Central Asia still annoyed at the Mongols for all the mass murder, rape and pillaging.
>>309999
>The prevailing opinion of the age was the India and Asia would only be a few hundred miles of the coast of Europe
But it wasnt
Anyone minimally educated at the time knew the circunference of the earth already, and the portuguese, in 1493, knew fully well that reaching India via the west would be a complete waste of time
>>310914
This
In the 1930s, The Guardian was basically the western propaganda wing of Stalin
>>310752
The final objective was India itself.
Yeah, his original idea was reaching the easternmost part of the Indias (ie:Japan, or Cipango as known at the time) but the real objective was always India
>>310914
just like a few years ago there were many leftists defending Chavez regime like it was the second coming of Rosa Luxembourg or someshit.
When it became terribly clear to even the dumbest dogmatic idiots that Chavez was just another incompetent Latin American dictator with some socialist mindsets funded on badly mismanaged oil reserves, the talk about Chavez ceased really fucking quickly.
>>310925
Pretty sure Iranians and Muslims in general have a fairly negative opinion of the Mongols.
The whole sacking of Baghdad and ending the Islamic golden age would do that.
All of tsarist russia
The destruction of Detroit and Newark in 1967 over ridiculous and uninformed reasons by the urban citizens, a people who continue to this day to perpetuate a cycle of self-destruction.
The riots have been practically removed from textbooks.
>>309815
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>>311273
It's probably for the best.
>>309815
top kek
>>309815
lel
>you're an Indian supremacist
I don't think there are any true retcons now.
There are in "public" history, that is what most people know and think, but the knowledge is always there for people to research and find out if they really want.
It doesn't go down the memory hole and disappear forever.
>>310885
White Rabbit Radio is some White Nationalist thing where they come up with the most (unintentionally) ridiculous animations showing the plight of dem poor whiteys who dindu nuffin. Zyklon Ben makes better propaganda than this shit, not even /pol/ takes WRR seriously anymore.
>>309815
What the fuck is this shit?
>>311382
The animation made an effective argument against the arguments of modern leftists.
>>311397
Calling any conventional way of thinking "leftist" is reactionary speak for STOP DISAGREEING WITH ME.
>>310746
How does that not make slavery evil?
>>310746
I think you're putting the cart before the horse. Slavery is a result of warfare, raiding, and debt collection. You can't have an advanced civilization without military strength to protect it, and you don't have banking without trust in the enforcability of contracts.
The Battle of Kadesh
>>309777
OOOOOOOHHHHHHHHH
>>309556
>WW2 was obvious and inevitable and Chamberlain was a fool for appeasement
This one really pisses me off. The very name "World War 1" wasn't used until well after the second war began. As if it was just a prequel to some "more important war that will resolve things" when the living memory of every man and woman of Europe was the nightmare of The Great War.
Britain was in no shape to fight Hitler at the time. Hitler was only in fighting shape because the Blitzkrieg tactics meant there was no prelonged fighting of any kind, which he was also not prepared for.
>>311575
By looking at terms used in publications over the 20th century we can see the use of various phrases across the decades. Note how ‘The Great War’ dominates and only shows signs of decline in the late 1920s/early 1930s as the threat of a second conflict looms (and plummets after 1940 as the second world war becomes embedded in the public conscious), at the same time ‘World War I’ and the ‘First World War’ increase in use
Reconstruction after the Civil War. Textbooks in America basically make Appomattox look like a big old love fest for a broken nation, when in reality, the consequences of the war and socioeconomic dysfunction lasted another 100 years. They might have ended slavery on paper, but the racism bit combined with low economic opportunity (since slavery ended the plantation systems) and lack of education all but guaranteed that the south, black and white, would remain dumb and broken. You have to wonder just how deep the simmering hate the former confederate states have for the north fucking them over, even to this day.
>>311575
You sound like some dumb cunt who finds one small fact about a bigger picture and thinks hes superior and then blurts it out to seem smart.
From day one many people referred to the Great War as "the First World War" because as they saw it, it was the first war that involved the entire world.
Britain WAS in shape to beat Germany, infact the earlier the conflict would start the better it would be for France and Britian and worse for Germany.
Germany was rearming and thus the longer it waited the stronger it would be.
When Hitler reoccupied the rhineland in 1936 he knew if the French retaliated he would have to resign.
You make it sound like it was well known in 1938 that the Blitzkreig tactics would work.
Most generals German, French and British alike thought it would be another Trench war just like in the First World War.
please actually learn the full story before posting
fucking Americans
>>310129
What makes it someone's land then?
>>309999
What a waste of quads with such uninformed crap
>>311832
The ability to take it
>>309578
The dude was an incompetent who got lucky.
The nordics did what he did on purpose centuries earlier with much more primitive ships. Had they had economies of such a scale to make colonizing the Americas worthwhile, they'd probably be culturally Scandinavian right now.
>>311852
Europoors were unable to take it before 1492
>>311893
And the world would be a better place
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My2tYKtSk5o
>>311397
Wew lad
End yourself or leave my America
>>311591
>fucking them over
>not bringing it on themselves by being uppity little shits and trying to alter passed legislation that already let them keep their precious slaves
This is the true retcon
>>311852
So if I hit you over the head with a shovel and shit in your bed your house belongs to me?
>>311585
Its also notable that you can strike up a conversatio with a random person and say "you know, in the war they had to do X" and that person will more than likely instantly know you are talking about the Second World War.
>>311852
Edgy
>>313451
>implying its not true
>implying its not been true since the dawn of time
>>310914
I thought that this was common knowledge desu
Incidentally, I know many people today who argue Stalin dindy nuffink
This one I believed for a while
>Jessie Owens wins Olympic event and beats pure Aryan competitor
>Hitler gets pissy and disrespects him by refusing to stand and celebrate his victory
>>311000
Well, I'm sure a few Mongols with horse-mounted death ways can take care of those attitudes.
>>309556
>histories biggest retcons
That's like saying "spoiler alert" before telling someone which side won a war. Reality isn't a television show, you autist.
Stuff about Roman Emperors the Senate didn't like/did like.
Or empires in general.
Hundreds of years after whatever Atilla wannabe had his empire rise and collapse people would be willing to argue that it was the greatest or the worst, any side. In a couple hundred years people will likely discuss the USA and USSR this way.
Perhaps Nixon will be known as the man who snuck into hotels to spy on democrats and assigned a horse to be vice president in 2250.
>>309556
Democrats and republicans "switched"
>>309815
I thought this was going to be something totally different. But this is pretty funny.
>>310943
The objective wasn't India itself, it was the Indies, where the Spanish and Portuguese were competing for islands and trade ports. Holding two routes there as opposed to the Portuguese' one would have given the Spanish a huge edge.
>>315031
That author has his head up his\her ass drawing this shit. What's the takeaway here? That 1930's USA taught the nazi a lesson in racial equality?
Do I fucking need to go on?
>>316232
That author is a giant self righteous dickhead, he does tons of shit like that
>>309791
>America
Did he even make it to what would become America's United States?
>>311575
>so i guez thas it huh, were fighting sum... second world war
>>310925
>applying modern values to history
Yeah, welcome to the new generation lad.
>destruction of CSA monuments because muh feels
>erasing Woodrow Wilson from a college because muh feels
>getting assmad when the school curriculum teaches the Civil War happened over a variety of factors and slavery was rather low on that list
>the concept of whites being responsible for the actions of their forebears but ignoring things like Boko Haram/Rhodesian War
>blaming Zimbabwe on whites
See, none of those countries are considered "western".
This entire history has to be apologetic is a western idea
>>311188
Because they're minorities rioting and we all know minorities only riot for valid legitimate reasons.
>>313363
>You disagree with me, kill yourself.
What, are you 14?
>>309932
But that's not in any American textbooks.
We all know the French and Indian war was a guerrilla conflict.
Why is it so easy to spot non-Americans?
>>315031
How did it happen then, according to you? As far as I know, that's pretty much what happened, the subtle difference being that Hitler planned to shake the hands of all the athletes but decided not to after Owens won.
>>316713
not him but as an american I've heard this too. its just one of those things that get's repeated which without critical thought is taken as fact
>>316717
Not him but the Hitler handshake was a totally unrelated issue: Hitler used to shake the hands of GERMAN athletes after events but was told that doing so would be inappropriate favouritism: he would either have to shake everyone's hand or no one's. So by the time Owens' event came up Hitler had stopped shaking hands completely.
Owens himself stated that he was more upset that people in the US didn't care about his achievements until the war started so they could use him as propaganda. Supposedly he waved at Hitler at one time and Hitler happily waved back.
Keep in mind that this was during a time when the Jim Crow Laws were still in full effect. And Owens reflected that he got a much better treatment from the Germans (being a sports celebrity probably helps) than he did at home.
He also became BFFs with a German guy from the same event. Sadly he died during he war.
>>316717
Hitler stopped shaking hands with the winners because at the start of Olympics he only shook hands with germans who won gold medals and the IOC representatives said he would have to shake the hands of everyone winning competions in the games or no one at all and Hitler chose the latter option. It was nothing to do with Owens.
>>313387
no, because the government won't say its your land
>>310782
>"New Chronology" by Fomenko and Nosovsky
Holy fuck.
Like holy fuck Ivan.
Holy fuck.
>>315912
>Roman emperors the senate did not like
>emperor
>senate
Two different time periods lad. Senate still existed after Octavian sure, but not as anything more than his mouthpiece.
>>316660
There's a possibility he visited gitmo
>>311893
>this meme again
it wasn't the economy, it was the people. the time it took to get to vinland, coupled with the fact that no one particularly wanted to killed the scandinavian colony in its crib, not for want of money.
WE WUZ ALWAYS MULTICULTURAL N SHIT
>>309815
>dat heavy metal music
I kekked
>>309598
How did Southern French Cathars not existing even become the rampant academic meme that it is? Arguing there was no organized church is one thing, but doubting dualism was present at all is a little absurd. The fact is, clerics relied on relevant ancient authority/models to make arguments. This doesn't mean they conjured the entire dualist heart of the heresy out of fucking thin air. In trying to understand/combat the heresy, they found the closest analogous authorities on dualism, and used them. Sure, they exaggerated and falsified, willingly or not. They did the same for any other target, for example, Jewish materialism/greed, likewise stretching the appropriateness of authorities consulted, but nonetheless Jews were in fact active commercialists. The claim that Inquisitorial testimonies show no evidence of dualist beliefs is also completely untrue.
These days if something occurs that a government doesn't want you to know about, it simply won't be reported. There will be a media black out on it. A few leaks go online and people find it that way but the vast majority of people will never hear it if you aren't supposed to.
Everything we know of current events comes through some form of the media, there could be some major huge shit going on somewhere but we'd never know if it was never reported.
In the same way when the media loses interest everyone forgets, like how we're all going to die of some flu, then the media moves onto something else, and suddenly that flu doesn't exist anymore, essentially.
>>317879
Makes sense, the Romans liked to culturally enrich the shit out of Europe.
I know for sure that they had a tendency to take soldiers from one part of the world and post them in another so they didn't have too many local loyalties. I'm pretty sure there were some legions from Syria on Hadrian's wall.
>>318281
I don't really think the government has as much control over the media as you think, at least not in most western democracies.
The problem is the media is selective of what it publicizes for its own reasons.
>>318304
In most countries the government has the power to order a media blackout on something.
>>318298
Yes but what it leads to is people saying everyone in London was black.
They found a North African Berber woman skeleton in my home town, Afrocentrists jump all over it claiming she is proof that the Celts were black.
>>318460
>white people are evil and did all the evil things in the world!
>but also they were actually black
Why are SJWs so retarded
>>318471
The "theory" is that whites invaded from central asia at the end of the middle ages, but blacks lingered on and became people such as Mozart.
>>318471
The people you call SJWs aren't a monolithic group
>>316863
What was the point of this post? Are you fucking retarded?
>>309777
Lets see you sail across the edge of the world with the threat of sea monsters and storms at your back. Until you do that I'm not impressed by your sophomoric revisionism.
>>309578
>christopher columbus
>celebrated navigator
While I think the moral relavists of today are blowing shit out of their ass, I can't say I've ever heard anyone say Columbus being famous for his navigation. After all,he aimed for India and ended up in America.
>Slavery and genocide is a thing that no longer exists, but may come back unless we shame whitey into holding onto it as a form of original sin
>>320734
>genocide
>no longer exists
What. The only thing keeping whitey from doing genocide is shaming genocide as original sin. Genocide still happens by non-whitey.
I'd say one of the biggest retcons were all the bullshit the renaissance era historians pulled regarding the medieval era
>>313387
No, because that alone doesn't give you the ability to take it, because we have instituted laws that are there to prevent you from doing that.
The Natives didn't have those laws, and if they did, they didn't have the power to enforce them, and they got their heads beaten in and their beds stolen.
Roland, of the Song of Roland fame, and a French national hero.
His entire story is basically a retcon. Charlemagne sent him into northern Spain for some reason (no one is really sure why, or what he was doing), and he, along with his army was killed by Basques. Their version of the story is that he was an asshole who took over Pamplona and raped a bunch of women, so the Basques killed him for justice. Charlemagne's historian barely mentions him and only says that he was killed by "Basque treachery." A few hundred years later, some French guy writes an epic poem about him and turns him into an epic hero. In the Song of Roland, he's Charlemagne's noble nephew, who goes to try to kick the Moors out of Spain and ends up being killed by them in his attempt. The poem turned into one of France's earliest national epics and became the accepted version of history for hundreds of years.
>>309803
>Dude documented his enslavement of natives, rapes and killings in his personal journal
>promise great riches of india to the queen of spain
>return with nothing, boast about a fantastic land of immeasurable wealth and native peoples like she could never even dream of
>not prove it with native peoples
I agree about 180 on him being pathetic. If he shouldn't be celebrated for discovering it because it was just one voyage, it was done earlier and later, etc., etc., then why blame him for being some kind of genocidal lunatic? He was what he was, someone who was the catalyst for one of the most monumental changes in human history.
>>309556
>fascism in Europe
I understand that everyone needed to move on after WW2, but Europe fucking loved fascism. Italy and Spain were fascist, France was half fascist, Austria, Hungary, Slovakia, Romania, Sweden... not to mention the more minor fascist movements in places like UK and US. The retroactive disappearance of tens or hundreds of millions of people from history is so dishonest.
>>311893
It's worth noting that the Viking ships weren't well suited to shipping over the real European advantage: Livestock and a wider variety of crops.
>>315031
The fun part of this is how Hitler treated Owens better than FDR did.
