What's the verdict? Glorified dictator or liberator and saviour?
Why not both?
fascist
/pol/ as fuck
Imagine the amount of butthurt amongst the French Left when they realized that the man that made France great a gain was a conservative, Catholic, crypto-Monarchist.
I wish I was alive in from 1946 to 1958 just to feel the communist butthurt as they lose power step by step to De Gaulle.
>>305225
FAILED MONARCH
the fact that the 68tards took over him shows how weak he was. and only the old praises him. pathetic.
>>305249
english motherfucker
>>305338
>on /his/
>can't read French
Anyway:
>It is very good that there be yellow Frenchmen, black Frenchmen, brown Frenchmen. They prove that France is open to all races and that she has a universal mission. But on the condition that they remain a small minority. Otherwise, France would no longer be France. We are after all primarily a European people of the white race, of Greek and Latin culture, and of the Christian faith.
The rest (not in the picture) is even better:
>Try to mix oil and vinegar. Shake the bottle. In a moment they will separate again. Arabs are Arabs and French are French. Do you believe that the French nation can absorb ten million Muslims, who perhaps tomorrow will be twenty million and the day after forty million? If we adopt integration, if all the Arabs and Berbers of Algeria were considered as Frenchmen, what would prevent them from coming and settling in mainland France where the standard of living is much higher? My village would no longer be called Colombey-les-Deux-Eglises [Colombey-Two-Churches], but Colombey-les-Deux-Mosquees [Colombey-Two-Mosques]!
>>305297
That picture made me extremely sad even though it's a silly MRA tactic to say most divorces go like that
>>305225
A hero.
>>305359
>My village would no longer be called Colombey-les-Deux-Eglises, but Colombey-les-Deux-Mosquees
On a serious note though, when did he say this? I mean we're talking about the same man who made the Pied-noir think he would support them when we visited Algeria only to then make clear that he wasn't when he was back in France.
Besides De Gaulle is pretty based, propably a big reason France didn't fall to the commies.
>>305472
Apparantly he said it in a private conversation in 1959, right before the Algerian debacle.
He was a complex leader and politician. He was ambivalent towards most issues, from Anglos to Europe to the Middle East.
I'm reading a biography about him right now. He was a very complex man. Very cynical, often sarcastic, but in the same time he had something like old roman virtues.
Ruthless political mastermind but with an old-fashioned code of honor that made him stay within the borders of republic and democracy.
He had an inflated ego (mostly for good reasons) but he was disgusted by the idea of military coups and dictatorship.
The 5th republic is kinda good, after the awful clusterfuck that was the 4th one. I wonder what would have happen if DG stayed in power after 1946. When he came back in 1958, he was already quite old, so not really dictator-material. Maybe it would have been a bit different if he had been in full power when he was younger.
Probably our best countrymen in the 20th century, overall. Also he have a lot of funny quotes.
Apparently a lot of americlaps hate him. FDR behaved like an incredible cunt toward him, unlike Einsenhower and McArthur. Dunno why. Is it because DG wanted France to be an american allied, but not a vassal ? Funny how FDR was against french and british imperialism but in the same time was drawing borders like an autistic child who play paradox games, btw.
De Gaulle and Churchill had difficult relationships too, DG was often unbearable to him, but at least Churchill was a francophile and didn't plan to backstab us after WW2.
>>305615
What biography are you reading?
I came across the Daniel Mahoney one and it looked pretty good. Pierre Manent wrote the introduction and he's based.
>>305616
The one in three volumes by Jean Lacouture. It's in french though, dunno if you're anglo.
>>305615
>Apparently a lot of americlaps hate him. FDR behaved like an incredible cunt toward him, unlike Einsenhower and McArthur. Dunno why. Is it because DG wanted France to be an american allied, but not a vassal ? Funny how FDR was against french and british imperialism but in the same time was drawing borders like an autistic child who play paradox games, btw.
it started with De Gualle not wanting to be officially part of the allies under Eisenhower's command and outright refusing to take part in D Day. then when the allies allowed him to be the first to march into Paris he loudly proclaimed that it was him and the free french forces that liberated paris and not the British and Americans.
Guy was an ass. but an ass the allies had to ally with.
didn't help that french and american troops outright hated each other and the allies had to produce propaganda to convince american troops to stop treating germans better than the french.
there's more to it than that of course but im tired so there you go.
>>305677
>didn't help that french and american troops outright hated each other and the allies had to produce propaganda to convince american troops to stop treating germans better than the french
Where did it came from?
The French helped with the American revolution
>>305700
much like many british, french forces were annoyed that america came in "late" to the war and then just decided that they were in charge.
take that and add to it the whole them being conquered by the nazis and you have one seriously pissed off people. specially since they were a very proud people who before the war saw themselves as the equal of america and england now being forced to the back of the bus.
>>305700
Yes but relations went somewhat sour since 1776. I think the turning point was around the mid-19th century, since Nap 3 wouldn't get his grubby hands off of Mexico despite the Monroe Doctrine.
>>305700
>The French helped with the American revolution
that was the french monarchy that helped us.
not a single french republic outside of Napoleon was really on our side. remember Robespierre tried to have Lafayette executed.
>>305745
And also Tom Paine.
There was a lot of mutual admiration on both sides, though. Remember they had a common enemy in the form of Britain, and they also shared some cultural affinity (Chateaubriand and Tocqueville blogging on their travels in New England, Poe becoming a superstar in French salons, etc...). Franco-American relations are a complex thing.
>>305753
very true. The US didn't earn many friends from constantly trying to remain neutral yet blatantly profiting off of every war between England and france.
i suppose it's best to say franco-us relations fluctuated wildly.
>>305225
He was a visionary and a great man.
>>305677
Dont bother, you're full of shit
>>305615
>>The 5th republic is kinda good
found the socialist.
reminder that degaulle was not willing to have abortion pills paid the social security and explicit said, on TV, that the social security was not created for women to spread their legs without consequences.
>>305793
It's the longest-lasting republic so far
>>305800
Reminder that France only legalized abortion in the seventies, and divorce (!) only in the late 19th century. Despite Anglo stereotypes, France is not a leftist country.
>>305800
Daily reminder that this sounds like an intelligent line of thought
The terms are strenuous under the situation of a rape victim, but people shouldn't just be allowed to do whatever the fuck they want and not have to learn from their mistakes
>>305808
People should be allowed to do whatever the fuck they want (they will do so anyway), but the rest of society shouldn't be obliged to pick up the tab, especially when it goes against its most sacred values.
>>305820
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law, but it is oft true that the people never truly know that which they want the most.
Thus we have been given the illusion of freedom as a necessary barrier towards calamity.
>>305833
Read Joseph de Maistre
Glorified dictator like any french ruler ever
>>305868
* every
>>305868
Or a failed one like Hollande
>>305849
It's a divine truth that the government that governs least governs best. Action through inaction, let things sort themselves out naturally.
If we don't take a different path we'll never find the right direction at this rate. The revolution doesn't work. Pure chaos doesn't work. Government under force doesn't work. A guiding hand then, with insidious influence, must be employed for the progression of all things.
De Gaulle had a cat like this. Gris-grish, as he was callled used to follow De Gaulle around; if he went to another room, the cat went after him.
It was quite possibly the only living being that actually enjoyed being in the same room with De Gaulle.
>>305900
What about Madame de Gaulle? Also him and Adenauer were bros iirc.
>>305922
I stand corrected: one of the few living beings that liked being around De Gaulle. De Gaulle was a difficult personality, not everyone could enjoy his company.
>>305377
>Muh MRAs
At least try pretending you're from 4chan.
>>305239
Are you implying that's a bad thing?
>>305359
>Try to mix oil and vinegar. Shake the bottle. In a moment they will separate again. Arabs are Arabs and French are French. Do you believe that the French nation can absorb ten million Muslims, who perhaps tomorrow will be twenty million and the day after forty million? If we adopt integration, if all the Arabs and Berbers of Algeria were considered as Frenchmen, what would prevent them from coming and settling in mainland France where the standard of living is much higher? My village would no longer be called Colombey-les-Deux-Eglises [Colombey-Two-Churches], but Colombey-les-Deux-Mosquees [Colombey-Two-Mosques]!
Don't they portray him as a bad guy nowadays in France or something for saying true shit like this?
>>305933
>Don't they portray him as a bad guy nowadays in France or something for saying true shit like this?
They are denying he even said it, or that he said it behind closed doors which implies he never meant it seriously. De Gaulle is still very much an idol and he must not be tarnished by racism and xenophobia.
>>305800
>that the social security was not created for women to spread their legs without consequences.
F U C K I N G B A S E D
I always thought that he was some lefty
pinko.(Knew next to nothing about him)
Thank you for correcting me.
>>305942
>They are denying he even said it, or that he said it behind closed doors which implies he never meant it seriously
Typical
>>305225
>Glorified dictator
No
>liberator and saviour
Yes, but not from Germans
From Americans
After WW2, Americans wanted to install permanent military bases in France and make US dollar the French currency
De Gaulle told them to fuck off
>>305977
wew
Is this a recent graphic?
>>305297
It gets some things right at least.
Divorces do favour women and the whole "50%" crap is probably the worst. A man can work long hours, get promoted, earn enough to afford a good home to support his family and a woman who may have never worked at all from meeting him, marrying him and having his children can still walk away with half of his assets and a monthly paycheck for "supporting the children" to live off of. Disgusting practice. Then again I've only really got TV and film to work from here so what the hell do I know.
>>305359
>If we adopt integration, if all the Arabs and Berbers of Algeria were considered as Frenchmen, what would prevent them from coming and settling in mainland France where the standard of living is much higher?
Poor De Gaulle was saying that when Algeria was still a colony and there were talks to make Algerians real French citizens
He didnt know that even after the independence he forced on France to avoid that, muslims would still migrate to the mainland by millions, welcome with open arms by the leftards who succeded to him
>>305977
Americans are so imperialistic and the media so good at covering that fact up I'm surprised they don't own the whole fucking world at this point.
>>305993
>muslims would still migrate to the mainland by millions
berbers are not muslims and those berbers who have already be raised by the republic, not coming straight from the oasis in their desert.
>>305615
First off, Eisenhower was looking to replace him any opportunity he got.
>Is it because DG wanted France to be an american allied, but not a vassal?
No, it's because nobody liked him. There is a reason it is referred to as "De Gaul" syndrome.
>>305986
>le wewlad reddit meme
>>306006
>Americans are so imperialistic and the media so good at covering that fact up I'm surprised they don't own the whole fucking world at this point.
>Attack a few dozen irrelevant shitholes in the span of a century
>Imperialistic
That comes nowhere near European colonial imperialism.
>>306044
>berbers are not muslims
What are they, then?
>>305225
Arrogant prick who's ego out sized his accomplishments
>>306140
They're Muslims, but they're not Arabs. I think this is what he meant.
>>306158
That's what I thought.
>>305359
BASED AS FUCK
>>305225
He was essentially Anthony Bourdaine with a mustache.
>>305615
He was literally HATED by the other allies during WW2, especially Roosevelt was absolutely disgusted by his behavior. De Gaule was the leader of the Free French, so a huge symbol for the resistance and therefore they couldn't alienate from him if they wanted the support of the resistance, but he was the biggest pain in the ass for the allies during the war
>>305783
And a good friend
>>306704
My point is Roosevelt hatred was irrationnal.
He tried several time to replace DG with puppets (Giraud...) DG had mostly good relationship with Einsenhower, proof that it wasn't an alliance problem.
>>306951
Hell DG even had good relationships with Churchill before FDR more or less forced Churchill to take his side against DG.
>>306613
Jesus who makes those
>>305977
>De Gaulle told them to fuck off
oh thank fuck
>>305977
We wanted bases and for them to quit wasting resources on an empire they couldn't sustain. Dollar bit is bull. France was mostly pissed about NATO being a primarily American-British ran show with West Germany getting an equal standing with France. They wanted more despite refusing to standardize or follow a collective doctrine.
>>305249
<<laïcité>> mon oeil...
>>307372
Laïcité simply doesn't work with muslims.
There's a reason why it doesn't exist in the muslim world.
inb4 Turkey (pic rel) and early Hussein regime
he was french and therefore despicable
>>305942
>De Gaulle is still very much an idol and he must not be tarnished by racism and xenophobia.
What's racist or xenophobic about "if ten million Muslims move into a place they're going to want to make it more Muslim"?
>>307410
>Laïcité simply doesn't work with muslims
Islam is several hundreds of years younger than Christianity. Not that I'm defending Christianity or anything, but it had sectarian all out wars relatively recently. Islam just hasn't completed that phase just yet.
Of course the Occident doesn't want to give them a chance to go through that phase (for obvious reasons). It's roughly equivalent to our opposition to uncontrolled industrialization in the "developing" world. Now that we know where we fucked up, we refuse to let other cultures work through a resolution and instead encourage them to skip the turmoil from which we could learn straight to the resolution.
Hussein was so based.
>extremist dies for Jihad
>Entire community gassed
>>305807
We had income tax after the US and the reason for the Jamaica agreement about giving all powers to bankers was a reaction to De Gaulle wanting hard money.
Our country was only recently keked but the fall is impressive.
>>305615
>FDR behaved like an incredible cunt toward him, unlike Einsenhower and McArthur
According to one book I was reading it was because of how swiftly the French were defeated in WW2
But in anything and everything foreign policy-related FDR was a fuckwit, so...
I love how the colons demanded for De Gaulle to be voted into office...only to give up on Algeria because he knew it was a clusterfuck.
Allegedly he once said "England's just a Norman colony that went astray". Dude was seriously a career troll.
>>305359
>French
>white
>Greek culture
>>307466
That's a retarded way of looking at things. Do you think there is a fixed period during which it's ok to have sectarian conflict? What separates religion distinction from sectarian distinction? Many sunnis don't consider shias muslim at all. Why think that sectarian conflicts have ceased by magic and won't reappear till the end of times?
The bit about industrialization is even more bizarre and conspiracy sounding.
>>307489
He was probably the only one to be able to leave Algiers. Imagine what would happen if a left wing government (especially with a 4th republic style cabinet) tried to pull it off? There would have been civil war.
>>307512
>Many sunnis don't consider shias muslim at all.
Many Catholics wouldn't consider Protestants Christian centuries back
Sectarian distinction is something within the religion, like the examples above
It doesn't matter if a bunch of uppity dogmatics don't consider someone the same religion as them; that's just a tactic to paint them as outside their group
It's up to third parties to make that distinction by checking if a sectarian party's belief system/dogma is in line enough with that religion
I don't think any rational person considers Sh'ia non-Muslim, but you can sure say that Druze aren't
>>307358
>Dollar bit is bull.
No it's not
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_Military_Government_for_Occupied_Territories#Opposition_of_France
>>307636
>one French source
Need more than that sempai
>>307651
There are literally pics of the bill
How in denial can one be?
>>307664
Except that's a franc you retard. The US also produced. Similar stuff for Belgium because they didn't have access to the mint.
>>307676
>Except that's a franc
Not him but what's your point ?
Whether it was a franc or a dollar doesn't matter, it was supposed to be printed in the US and thus controlled by the US.
>>307704
I think some European countries (pre Euro) also didn't have domestic printers for their legal tenders.
He's pretty underrated. He's probably the only reason Western Europe didn't turn into a Latin America style US colony (although in France's case it might have been a communist civil war).
>>307760
Some of them but it certainly wasn't the case for France.
There was no reason to mint money abroad if not to control their currency issue.
>>307508
All of western civilization has Greek roots.
>>307512
I'm not saying it's okay, just that it's to be expected out of any mystical motley melange of morons (muslims more so).
My point on industrialization isn't meant to imply conspiracy. I mean that developed nations industrialized before the ethical and ecological effects were understood. These nations now know nature pays a premium price for the conveniences we were afforded. The developed west is attempting to mitigate the climate crisis and by doing so, developing nations will be disallowed to pursue destructive endeavors.
>>307676
A Franc printed by the US backed by absolutely nothing.
It was essentially a way for US troops to plunder the remaining resources of France, and letting French people themselves pay the bill through inflation.
In principle, it's even worse than trading trinkets with native Americans to get food from them.
He won the peace after France lost the war. He told the US to fuck off and kept France a proud independent country.
>>310255
Not just France, he had a huge effect on Europe. For example his opppsition is the main reason American plans for vassalising post war Western Europe fell apart. In Germany in the 60s there were two opposing foreign policy philosophies: Atlanticism and Gaullism. He turned the European Union from the tool of American imperialism that it originally was into a French-dominated tool of European independence against outside imperialism, and saw it in terms of independent European nations collaborating freely.
Unfortunately most of that depended on his personality and fell apart after he died. One thing De Gaulle failed at was building something that could outlive him.
>>305225
Well he did save France from a socialist revolution
>>305225
He literally looks like a frog
>>307514
There almost was, wasn't there?
>>307075
Yeah, thank God he preserved our culture by limiting yankee inperialism.
Anyway, I'm off to a traditional french halaal mcdonald's, do you want anything?
>>305266
>communist butthurt
The left and center lost to him.
Communism and Gaullism were the two major growing politic forces of that time
>>305225
I think he's a great hero.
But then again I am french.
he tried to keep us out of the EU, but we didnt listen
