What people never invented Swords?
from my understanding everyone did, but is there an exception?
Spears are better desu
>>301586
Aboriginals and other people who never got around to metalworking. It doesn't matter since spears and pikes saw more use than swords in warfare.
Lots of native peoples such as Maori.
>>301586
Amazonian tribes
Native Americans
Many African Tribes
Australian Abos
Various Primitive Islanders
Aztecs never had any swords, they used those wooden spiked clubs instead
>>301586
Historically speaking the number of people who invented the sword can be counted on one hand.
>>301604
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macuahuitl
>>301610
Why do you need a sidearm if you're fighting in a pike/spear formation?
>>301625
Because I'm not going to be on the battlefield in a formation my whole life. If attacked, which was at the time a great concern because of rampant banditry, you must defend on your own. Ergo, sword.
>>301610
A PIKE AND A SPEAR IS NOT THE SAME THING
ALSO THE GUY STANDING NEXT TO YOU IN BATTLE IS YOUR SIDE ARM
GET IT?
HES ON YOUR SIDE!
AND HE HAS ARMS!
WHATS THE DIFFRENCE BETWEEN A SWORD AND A SEAX?
>>301586
>What people never invented Swords?
LITERALLY 99.999999999% OF ALL HUMANS NEVER INVENTED A SWORD
YOU CANT INVENT WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN INVENTED
UNLESS YOU ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WORLD AND NEVER EVEN HEARD OF WHAT THE PEOPLE WHO INVENTED IT BEFORE YOU
>>301625
>someone gets through
>uhhhh what do I do
Also going to add that wood hafted weapons can break.
>>301586
Cunts who never used Metal.
But then again, iFricans are a thing
>>301665
Aztecs invented Swords.
>>301665
Jesus man, go easy on the caps. That's the distinction I made - a spear or pike is far more practical on the field where there is a formation. In that case your comrades protect you with shields or you make a pike wall. (pikemen still wielded swords, though, for the specific purpose of not being slaughtered if the pike wall was broken, which happened from time to time, and it was necessary in pike-to-pike engagements). However, you won't be on the battlefield and in a formation your whole life. There are lots of bandits around, and you need to defend yourself. A 2-meter shaft of a spear is impractical to carry around while travelling inside a city, unlike a sword. Also, if you are not fighting in formation (like self-defence) a sword is better (if you know how to use one, of course). With a spear, if you lose reach, you're dead. That means you want to use a sword in close quarters or if you're ambushed. So you need a sidearm.
>>301586
Slightly more democratic warfare. Which might have had huge political and societal implications.
>>301625
I despise spear worship.
>>301604
Aztecs had swords, but without metal, it was a wooden sword with obsidian glass stuck along the sides. Nasty.
Sub Saharan Africans didn't invent swords to my knowledge. They came close and used very short spears with long heads, the line is obviously blurred.
>>301796
>Sub Saharan Africans didn't invent swords to my knowledge.
Where did this meme come from? In Central Africa swords were more common than spears were, spears were mostly used for currency in places like the inner Congo
>>301841
Will dump a few Sub-Saharan African swords because why now
>>301845
>>301848
Steel Italian rapier or The weeabo sword?
>>301852
>>301852
That is a very pretty sword.
>>301866
They did, this is from Zimbabwe
The Zulus didn't have swords, and I guess a lot of people associate them with southern Africa. Their metalworking was just too primitive to make a piece of metal large enough.
>>301618
God fucking damn getting hit by that must've been the worst thing ever.
>>301625
Because formations may clash and you find yourself at a distance where your spear doesn't help you? Pretty much every man armed with a spear also carried a sword by his side.
>>301697
DEPENDS ON HOW YOU DEFINE SWORD
MOST PEOPLE WOULD SAY NO THEY DID NOT INVENT SWORDS
>>301841
"Point this side at target"
>>302258
Kek
>sword within a sword
Bravo Africa
>>301841
Upvote sword.
The Irish used Rapier's between 1500BC-1200BC, the Bronze Rapier in the middle is known as the Lissan Rapier, it is one of the longest Rapiers found throughout Europe for that period, maybe even the world.
The short Bronze on the left replaced the Rapier from about 1200BC.
>>302386
Fun fact: One of the participants in the United Irishmen Rebellion of 1798 was found dead clutching an ancient bronze sword that he'd recently fashioned a grip for.
>>302459
I read about that, bastard must have found it while out cutting Peat (Bog Fuel)
are you guys retarded
Spears-"long range"
Swords-"short range"
also, if a formation breaks, and everyone is on their own, a sword with shield, is effective against spear.
>>302386
maybe they died out because shields became common? Pretty cool
>>302520
I was thinking the broader sword probably broke the rapier, or bent it. The Rapiers seem to be only good for stabbing whereas that broad sword can do both slashing and stabbing better.
pic related is the kind of swords, rapiers, and daggers you'd find hidden in Ireland.
>>302568
Its strange that Ireland specialized in swords.
A little off topic, but an island not far from where i live(in norway) it was mined a mineral containing copper, and traded as far as probably the north sea. Maybe some of this copper was used in the swords? Along with tin from Cornwall(we dont have much tin here)
The world was not as isolated as we think.
>>302083
Jesus calm the fuck down, writing in all caps may not be the equivalent of yelling irl but is still obnoxious as fuck.
>>302615
Yes, the Nebra Sky Disk and the Bronze Daggers found in Germany had Gold and Tin from Cornwall, there was definitely a smaller world back in the most ancient times, we also forget that pastoral people were masters at migrating around, just consider it could take a month to march from Gaul to Mesopotamia.
Look at the refugees today, they literally walk across most of Europe, while being settled people, just imagine how mobile pastoral people could be in the ancient times.
>hurr I need to cut this rabbit open to gut it
>what if I use a sharp rock
>worked pretty well, what I sharpen it more and make it into tool
>maybe I can use it for self defence, hunting etc
>>302615
>Its strange that Ireland specialized in swords.
Yeah, they get pretty cool looking later on too.
>>301848
Literally "Muh dick" the sword
>>301773
>Then you fucked up already
Are you fucked in the head? Do you think battles went according to plan? If your phalanx didn't break formation during a battle at least once, it'd be a damn rare sight. Most of the time it's a simple case of being pushed back to the point where you'd have to break then reform a couple of metres back, but the case of needing a sword also applies in a 'phalanx crush', where two polearm formations are in very close contact (ie, shield to shield). Enjoy not being able to use your spear when you barely have enough room to lift your arm.
>>302675
No, THIS is literally "muh dick" the sword
>>302386
These aren't rapiers though. Completely different evolutionary line, completely different characteristics, et cetera...the only thing they have in common is that they're both narrow stabbing swords (which stabbing swords have to be by default).
>>302686
>Dick and balls
Kek. But I think that is a throwing weapon. Reminds me of an throwing weapon from a videogame called Demon's Souls/
>>301618
>Can decapitate a horse in one blow
Jesus
>>302699
The few ones I've seen similar to this have been throwing weapons, although they normally seem to be a bit more compact.
>>302691
They are known as Rapiers to the archaeologists. You can take up your autism with them.
>>302699
why would you engineer something that elaborate and then throw it away? plus it's not gonna bend/break like that roman throwing spear (pilum?) so you could expect it thrown back at you
>>301852
The Kaskara is actually not native to Sudan. Its basically either
1) A copy of an Ethiopian sword...who in turn got their shit from the Romans. Or
2) A last known survivor of the Arabic straight sword prior Turkic Saber keking of the middle east.
>>302665
Sexy, I wish there were more replicas of the Bronze swords, I bet in tip top condition they would look awesome.
>>302686
It looks like a Bill.
>>302716
No, they're not...are you really that dense that you can't see the difference between a colloquial label "X__X Rapier" and actual hoplological terminology? It's like saying that the Australopithecus 'Lucy' was called 'Lucy' irl because that's what archaeologists call it. Fucking dumbass.
>>301586
As for OP's question: Steppe Nomads. Seriously: due to lack of large scale mining, Nomads can only into arrow and spearheads. Hell armor making of purchased metal ingots was priority over having a sword. PARTICULARLY the Altaic Steppe Nomads.
Scythians used the Persian Akinakes.
The latter Iranic Nomads used the Persian longsword, usually of Sassanid type.
Altaics used whatever China & Persia makes. To their credit: the Turkics did add a curve to the Chinese dao, inventing the Middle Eastern Saber.
Mongols weren't picky of swords either so long as it is single handed.
>>302751
Ah, Osprey. Gotta love em.
autism
>>302738
> http://irisharchaeology.ie/2015/07/bronze-age-sword-found-in-a-co-meath-bog/
> http://www.culturalheritageireland.ie/index.php/heritage-museums/66-rapiers
> http://www.tf.uni-kiel.de/matwis/amat/def_en/articles/rapier_to_longsax/from_rapier_to_langsax.html
>>302751
What's with the odd sword wearing? Its pointed backwards.
>>302723
Close range throwing, and you can pick it up afterwards.
"You missed, and then the other guy picks it up and hits you? You deserved it for sucking."
>>302780
>"You missed, and then the other guy picks it up and hits you? You deserved it for sucking."
I'd rather not risk it senpai
>>302771
It looks wonky on foot but it aids pulling out your sword while mounted without
1) Slicing your own hand as you reach for it from your lef
2) Injuring your horse's neck as you pull it from your left side.
You literally pulled it backwards away from any of your arms/your horse.
Here's an example
>>302811
Here's another example: in action
>>302788
The ancient unga bungas believe otherwise.
>>302459
>>302464
What a bollocks, I'd love to find something in a bog.
>>302665
I love that ring pommel yoke we did later on. I've seen it on loads of swords from Ireland.
Where is the OP pic from?
>>301841
>inventing
>learning through extensive cross-fertilization with other civilizations
If we're actually being realistic only a handful of civilizations would have independently arrived at metal forging and blades (we can be sure because metals strongly rely on geography) and then the knowledge would have spread rapidly to everyone within that sphere of influence. We can be sure of this because the type of society that needs swords almost definitely has close contact with rival societies and trade communications. Once an army starts dominating with their sword and spear combo rivals either adapt or they won't be rivals anymore.
>>302882
norway according to this
http://www.trueactivist.com/46-incredible-photos-you-may-not-have-seen-before/
>>301598
Polynesians certainly had the concept of "broad stick that can lacerate people" though.
>>302859
>What a bollocks, I'd love to find something in a bog.
People who work in Bogs find them, we have found butter in Bogs that is about 70 years old and still edible. Bogs are master preservers.
> http://irisharchaeology.ie/2015/07/bronze-age-sword-found-in-a-co-meath-bog/
4000 year old Bog body called 'Cashel Man' from Ireland
> http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-24053119
>>301848
That might just be the most bitchin' weapon I've ever seen. That nignog for a handle is just sitting there chillin with his dick out, smoking his pipe and wearing his fanciest hat!
>>301606
Yass
>>302859
You say that, but then once people know you find it they will aleter the authorities who will then come and confinscate what you have found.
They will take such a nice piece of history you have discovered and you will receive nothing in return because "it belongs to history not you just because you found it". Happens all the time, trust me you would rather never find anything than have such a great treasure stripped from you
>>302996
Fucking government.
>>302996
>the assless diaspora of Ireland
Even the UK gives finder fees based on the value of the artifact.
>>301586
Australian aboriginals never developed metal. Their weapons were limited to throwing speaks and clubs.
From memory I think they may not have even developed the wheel.
>>301858
Rapiers are for fags, if you want to have a real man's italian sword you need a Schiavona, because it's actually an extremely practical sword and it looks gorgeous too.
Though Colichemardes or Espada Ropera are bretty gud too if you're into rapiers.
Better than anything the japs had to offer back then.
>>304547
The wheel has only been independently invented twice. It's not a measure of development.
>>305110
who invented it the second time?
>>301883
No way that can be made explicitly by Zimbabweans...
>>304547
>From memory I think they may not have even developed the wheel.
well, it would be practically useless in nomadic hunter-gatherer lifestyle even if they had understood the consept
>>301852
I want this sword. Man, it´s soooo pretty.
>>308020
read the thread moron.
>>308309
Africa produces a shit load of food retard. The IMF sucks it away " for debt".
Also what do diamonds have to do with feeding yourself? You know that they're artifically sparse
>>301711
Weren't claymores the anti-pike weapon of choice?
>They have spear wall
>lop off the tips of their spears with a fucking huge blade.
>They now have a bunch of big sticks with no point.
>>302665
I'll take #8.
>>308658
>Gets called out
>Can't prove them wrong
>B-BLM
what's the most aesthetic(by whatever standard) sword that's still a functioning weapon?
Any civ welcome
>>301586
Civilizations that never made it to the metallurgy tech tree.
>>302725
>that croc shieth
Jesus that's cool
>>308827
Learn about the diamond industry and how much of a mess it is.
>>301589
Used for different purposes nigger
>>307502
...you do realise that Southern Africa had iron age tech, right? And that Great Zimbabwe was a thing?
>>308726
No, the anti-pike weapon of choice is the pike.
Here's how a pike block works: you have pikes. In between these pikes you have arquebuses and large two handed swords. The pikes are your main weapon, you use the guns to open up gaps in their ranks, and hopefully cause a rout, at which point you use your ordered pike block to kill them. Misjudge your timing and you get a Bad War.
But oh shit, your flanks are being attacked by cavalry! Good thing you've got these fuckoff huge swords that are more maneuverable than a pike but can still fulfill the same battlefield role. I mean, yeah, these guys die a lot, but hey they're being paid double. No cavalry? Use them to rush in the gaps made by your guns because the pike block is slow!
>>302615
the spear was actually the weapon the irish used mainly in hand to hand combat
>>308726
no. no. no.
>>311282
>People on /his/
>Knowing anything about the history of Africa
a mighty jej
>>311365
The best africa threads are on /int/. Which is funny because /his/ prides itself on being knowledgeable where as /int/ prides itself on memes and shitposting.
>>308726
Have you ever tried cutting something?
No, this won't work. But they're long and maneuverable, more so than a goddamn pike is.
>>304547
They don't even use bow.
>>311282
>...you do realise that Southern Africa had iron age tech, right?
Bushmen can't even count up to 3, doubt they had Iron.
Unless you mean the zulus, who aren't native to the area.
>And that Great Zimbabwe was a thing?
Great Zimbabwe was a slave outpost of arabic traders. It was not built by native africans.
>>305108
That thing is baller. I've always wanted a gladius as a wallhanger but it'd be a waste of cash unless someone breaks in. And for that I already have a gun. It's just so simple and agile.
>>301665
Seax is a long knife easily useable in day-to-day life aswell in combat
A sword is not that usefull in day-to-day goings-on
