Post fake archaeology
>>290171
The two babies where added later, but is not fake.
>>290171
>don't know what this is
a "cave painting" from libya, supposedly from 3000BC, but it turned out one of the archaeology students was having a laff and mocked it up to fool the head digger.
>>290199
Yes it is. It was cast in single-piece, something the ancients didn't do. The actual dating of the wolf is between the 11th and 12th centuries.
>>290171
No proof that Agamemnon was real
>>290114
Its not fake.
It's Heinrich Schliemann selling his finds as OMG FOUND TROY/TROJAN WAR GUYS because 1) he's an amateur archaeo-, hell HES NOT AN ARCHAEOLOGIST and 2) Germany playing catch-up with French/Brit Archaeology and willing to shill any German in doing so.
IRL Its just a mask found in Mycenae.
>>290489
It's just called that as a nickname, no one actually believes it belonged to Agamemnon. Just like how Evans called the ancient Cretans "Minoans" even though there was probably no King Minos.
>>290506
Minous was mentioned many times in Egyptian texts but it was probably the name of the island
>>290519
It was most likely just a title like "king".
>>290114
That wasn't even the mask Schliemann called Agamemnon's.
It was this one.
>>290519
The Cretans probably called themselves Cretans.
That's what everybody else called them, the Mycenaeans, Hittites,Egyptians, and, possibly the Hebrews .
>>291381
We don't know how the myceneans and the hittities called them, andit's debated about egyptian who maybe called it Caphtor
>>291392
>We don't know how the myceneans...called them
Mycenaeans called the Island Krete, and Homer calls the inhabitants Cretan.
I guess I don't know if they called them Cretans, but it's not a huge leap between the inhabitants being named for the Island.
>>291419
>Myceneans called the island krete
Source? I sincerely doubt it
>Homer
Homer or whoever wrote down the Homeric Poems, lived 400-500 years after the fall of the myceneans
>>291439
>Source? I sincerely doubt it
Straight from the Horse's mouth.
Also, why would you doubt it? What else would they have called it?
>Homer or whoever wrote down the Homeric Poems, lived 400-500 years after the fall of the myceneans
First of all, Homer didn't write anything down, at all. That all happened much later. Secondly, they can tell how old the Homeric meter is by its natural degradation of the language.
Some lines are metrically off so they know that some litters, like Wau, were originally present.
Also, Homer's details do seem to remember the Bronze Age in some facets, and place names would be one of the easiest to be preserved.
The best sign that Homer remembers the Bronze age is the Story of Bellerophon which remembers writing, long after it would have been lost and before it would have been reintroduced by the Phoneticians,"...so he sent him to Lycia with lying letters of introduction, written on a folded tablet, and containing much ill against the bearer. He bade Bellerophon show these letters to his father-in-law, to the end that he might thus perish; Bellerophon therefore went to Lycia, and the gods convoyed him safely..."
>>291529
Greek epigrams appear before Homer is believed to have lived.
Homer is believed to have lived in Asia Minor, where writing (in Lycian and earlier Luwian) never disappeared.
They've also recovered traces of a poem in Luwian which resembles the composition and style of the Iliad and appears to concern Wilusa/Ilion/Troy. It's possible that the Trojan Epic tradition was alive in Greek and Luwian/Lycian civilization.
>>292380
>Greek epigrams appear before Homer is believed to have lived
When one says "Homer", he most often refers to the rhapsodic tradition which dates back much farther than any proposed dates for any proposed historical Homer.
>>292452
Great knowledge of the region of Troy, emphasis on Lycians above all other Trojan allies, and possible existence of a Luwian counterpart to the Epic Cycle still suggest it was composed at least in part in Asia Minor and that the composer was in a possible to be exposed to writing.
Still, I wouldn't say it's impossible for the memory of writing Greek to be passed down orally even if the ability was lost.
>>292493
>Still, I wouldn't say it's impossible for the memory of writing Greek to be passed down orally even if the ability was lost
That may explain the writing in the Bellarophon tale, but there are other facets of Mycenaean society which fail to escape Homer.
Homer is aware of certain Fortresses in Greece which were abandoned after the Bronze age collapse and also of the armor and technology of the Bronze age.
For example, he was aware that the Mycenaeans had only Bronze, not iron, and could describe various armors and cult objects in use in Bronze age greece, like tusk helmets and the cup of Nestor.
The Cup of Nestor we have isn't exactly the same as the one in the Iliad, but it's close enough to see that similar cups existed in Mycenae.
An Asia Minor origin for the Iliad is likely, but it's clear that the author was clearly familiar with the Greek mainland as well.
