Why were people in the 15th century about as good at drawing as a first grader?
>>290103
That's a very succinct way of describing original sin
Lack of good materials, lack of good tutors, most artsy people of the period preferred architecture and sculpting
>>290122
THE "ORIGINAL SIN" IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE "EATING FROM THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE" BY "ADAM", AND "EVE", NOT "ABEL'S" MURDER.
>>290131
How did they figure out proportions and all that jazz in 200 years when thousands of years of their ancestors were lost?
>>290141
Change in priorities, explosion of merchant capitalist economies
The Binding of Isaac, from the Bet Alpha Jewish Synagogue.
>>290139
Shut up you autist
>the sack of manletopolis
![Port_man_125-50AD[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/gOMLo8e.jpg "Port_man_125-50AD[1].jpg")
>greek egyptians
>2nd century
euroturds are you even trying?
![tetrarch1348201157466[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/uFVB9Ay.jpg "tetrarch1348201157466[1].jpg")
Did the later romans start abstracting on purpose or were the techniques simply lost?
>>290206
The Romans couldn't draw either. Sculpting was as good as it always was.
>>290220
>The Romans couldn't draw either.
I know this is a mosaic but it still demonstrates that the Romans had *some* ability to translate 3D visual details onto 2D media. Certainly better than the OP pic
>>290131
Unfortunately, that's no longer the case.
>>290240
That's a mosaic, not a painting.
>>290253
did you even read his fucking post
If anything, creating a mosaic is even more difficult than painting, considering the tools you have on hand.
>>290103
They got details down quite nicely desu senpai.
>>290220
>the romans couldn't draw either
u wot fgt
>>290263
>>290206
Most great works of art during this period were done by Greek artisans.
>>290268
>>290267
pic
>>290283
Oh look, it's this thread again.
>>290206
The only weird thing here are the eyes. And yeah, I think I recall that they had a purpose connected to the emperor divine nature.
Well, also the beard. I can't justify the beard to be honest.
>>290317
>>290325
>>290325
The ones that drew, drew most likely a drawing for the first time. There was not endless parchment and paper for them to enhance their skill. The ones that drew pictures in books were probably mostly the novice monks that translated them, not actually specialized artists for that kind of art form.
Great works of art before them and after them was always commissioned for large amounts of money from wealthy rulers to highly gifted artists.
The ones copying books in monasteries were novice monks learning how to read and write by copying books.
>>290139
Jesus Christ, this guy again.
>>290293
take into account that these are from regular upper-class houses in the city of pompeii, imagine the murals and shit in the palaces of emperors and other royalty
>>290335
And again in point out, there are 4 people in this painting.
Larger versions are available if you search for Arnolfini Portrait.
>>290250
I tried turning in something like that in High School Art class.
Teacher didn't appreciate it.
>>290240
That one is quite exceptional though
And it is true that there was some abstraction in Christian art. It's also true that there's a lot of low grade crap lying around. It's also true that a lot of good stuff was destroyed.
Overall I wouldn't claim the Romans were better at mosaics.
>>290103
3D graphics weren't invented yet so when people took pictures they came out like this after they got developed
>>290359
that's byzantine tho, it's a continuation of the same traditions, quite stagnant too if you consider the centuries that went by
>>290351
3 people in this one, though a little more obvious this time.
>>290372
You sure that aint 16th century?
>>290370
>>290380
Early 16th but in the same tradition, technology and techniques as the 15th.
>>290397
I knew it!
hats gave it away desu.
>>290370
It's supposed to be. Orthodox art today is still in the same style. And that isn't because muh Byzantine, either, since Oriental Orthodox also stick to their traditional style.
>>290103
Illuminated manuscripts were made by monks, not artists. Dumb faggot
>>290405
I also just realised that there's actually 5 people in that version.
>>290338
>they would give incredibly expensive materials to someone who has never drawn a picture before
>to draw for the first time, onto a medium that already has dozens of hours of painstaking work going into it
They practiced and trained, just like they practiced and trained to wrote in specific scripts. Blackboards, wax tablets, scraps and leftovers.
Pic highly related.
>>290240
>roman
>>290103
Because they were investing all their capital into seeing the future of art.
>>290355
That kind of stuff is absolutely worthless without a good long write-up explaining it. I was never good at drawing so I covered a sheet of paper in blue paint then wrote a good 15 pages of analysis and explanation, landed me an A+
Here is an actual medieval 6 year old, from Russia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onfim
>>291077
Some words, a series of syllables, and portraits
>>290139
After reading Mundus I came to the conclusion that you have disorganized schizophrenia.
>>290317
A bene geneserit witch!
>>291162
It's almost like medieval people... were people!
Artists only painted what their patrons would pay them for. If their patrons had shitty taste, the artist made shitty paintings, shitty drawings, etc.
>>290563
Is this the first reach around depicted in Western art?
>implying the Greeks didn't already do it
>>290563
Art had a completely different purpose. It was symbolic, meant to convey religious ideas. Learning to draw properly isn't some magical gift and an untrained amateur can draw semi realistically.
PIC related, I'm an amateur and I never was taught took draw nor did I read books telling me how to draw.
>>290103
Because art was mainly a medium for religion which highly preceded symbolistic perspective. Then it changed and people tried to understand perspective based more on a physical, real level.
>>292750
Prefered not preceded, sorry for the typo.
>>290575
Next time just turn in the essay explaining why art doesn't exist.
>>292442
those are sketches, not part of a finished piece.
>>290103
Well, you see, OP, most of what we think of as "medieval drawings" were simply fragments in books. Usually, the monks and authors of Prayer books, would also draw little pictures.
It's not that that was the only form of painted art ----- mosaics and frescoes were extremely popular.
Eventually, someone got the idea of ,instead of simply painting on the wall (which limited the range and depth of colors), that they could paint on a piece of canvas specialty made for paints, and then just hang that on a wall. And thats when the world of art really started picking up. Painters developed their own special paint, their own canvas, etc that could cost thousands of dollars. They started becoming more indepth as time went on
So that's why
>>291077
This is fascinating.
>>292975
>>292987
This like the
>my feet hurt
>This music is too loud
meme in real life
I guess people never really do change
>>290103
The painters of the fourteenth, fifteenth, and sixteenth centuries were the architects and engineers of their times...Renaissance painters employed mathematics and thereby revolutionized the art of painting
>>290154
its just like the videogame!
>>293055
>>290336
>>290103
They were better at drawing than you
>>290317
Ayy lmao
>>291086
third from the left look like he's having feels
>>293104
eyes are totally different fucktard
>>292987
was wojak a medieval script?
>>291077
>>291086
>His writing includes phrases such as "Lord, help your servant Onfim" and fragments from Psalms 6:2 and 27:3
> One striking image, "a portrait of himself, disguised as a fantastic animal", which contains a picture of a beast with a long neck, pointy ears, and a curly tail.
>The beast either has an arrow with feathers in its mouth or is spewing fire; one of the accompanying texts (the one below the box) says "I am a beast"
DEVILISH
>>290103
The drawings you see are often not done by professional artists but often in manuscripts by a scribe copying down a book and either bringing an illustration from its previous source or trying to explain something better.
You'll find actual art of the time could be quite beautiful. Also the goal of much of the art was not to be realistic but to deliver a point, allegory and other things were new and really really popular.
