Did Hitler really pursue homosexuals or is it just jewish lies? I can understand him wanting to repress effeminant gays, but would he really kill a manly aryan man just because he's not attracted to vaginas?
He looked like the kind of guy who would defend a "don't ask, don't tell" policy.
>>289347
>Did Hitler really pursue homosexuals or is it just jewish lies?
ZIONIST/JEWISH SLANDER.
>I can understand him wanting to repress effeminant gays, but would he really kill a manly aryan man just because he's not attracted to vaginas?
>effeminant
THAT IS NOT EVEN A WORD IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE; YOU MOST PROBABLY MEANT "EFFEMINATE", BUT EVEN THUS THE TERM "EFFEMINATE GAYS" IS UNNECESSARILY SPECIFIC.
>He looked like the kind of guy who would defend a "don't ask, don't tell" policy.
THE GERMAN NATIONAL SOCIALIST STATE DID NOT PUNISH, NOR ENFORCE, ANY STANDARDS OF SEXUALITY, BUT DID NOT TOLERATE, NOR CONDONE, SEXUAL DEVIANCY EITHER.
>>289347
Yeah, he want after gays, the disabled, gypsies, Slavs, and especially Jews. This is undisputed fact.
>>289347
There's absolutely nothing to indicate that he was a fag.
>>289387
Did you even read the OP?
>>289381
>they didn't punish it
>they didn't tolerate it, either
Aren't autists supposed to be capable of logical thinking?
>>289347
People really need to learn to distinguish between same-sex acts, homosexuality, gay identity and "gay propaganda". You'd be surprised how many bigots and nazis are okay with some of these.
>>289399
What is taboo?
>>289393
Oh, I misunderstood. English is not my native language. I thought "pursue" as in "pursue in a relationship".
>>289347
Yes, he did
Repression of Gypsies and faggots were the only things he did that weren't wrong
>>289387
OP here, I didn't say he was.
Why do people do this? Try to convince themselves that the Nazis weren't "all that bad"?
>>289435
Because they know the world isn't black and white?
Yes, in fact I just did a research paper about it.
Finding sources is extremely hard because the government after nazis in germany maintained homophobic bias and denied their history, they were signifies by a pink triangle and were raped and tortured by other prisoners as well as the nazis. They had it worse than anyone, they say 10,000 died but we'll never know the real number. Ever scholars after ww2 refused to acknowledge them.
>>289435
That's not what this type of stuff is generally about. It's more like "Look, the Nazis were so dumb they repressed themselves and broke their own rules".
>>289399
APPARENTLY YOU ARE INCAPABLE OF ANY KIND OF THINKING.
>>289384
This
I can't believe it's the CURRENT YEAR and some people still deny the holocaustes
>>289476
Whilst you reference to John Oliver is sure to rustle some jimmies, it's hard to believe people think the Holocaust didn't happen, especially when they live in the information age.
>>289387
Other than written testimonies of him being a male prostitute during his 20s. :^)
>>289381
Why are you still here?
Considering they called useful Jews acceptable Aryan or close enough he probably wouldn't do much if they were important or useful and kept it under wraps.
>>289505
Just to suffer? Every night, I can feel my leg... and my arm... even my fingers
>>289505
Why are you still alive?
>>289462
Communists are way more evil, there's still communist governments that murder, torture and send people to gulags yet somehow being a commie is more acceptable than a nazi while nazi germany died 70 years ago
>>289552
I dunno about your circles, but my compatriots consider being a Commie almost as bad as being a Nazi.
>>289505
To amuse the gods with my hardships.
>>289519
Such a lust for caps-lock.
Well, I can't think of a movement that has more homosexuality in it than Nazism.
>Huge focus on "clean" young men.
>S&M like uniforms, riding pants and whips
>"Look at our delicious blonde males in boxers marching" no homo, lol
>Hitler, never confirmed with a girl before Eva Braun.
If people like Hitler and Breivik could just accept their sexuality and not supress it, the world would be a better place
>>289381
>ZIONIST/JEWISH SLANDER.
dropped
>>289462
>absolutely no reason
They were regarded as enemies of the state. There's your reason, lad.
>>289347
>Did Hitler really pursue homosexuals
In Auschwitz, you have some portraits of the last people in there, and they were a mix of jews, gypsies, retards (the type where you can tell by their face) and gays.
Its cheapo to go and see it, and there is stuff to see in the nearby city as well. Well worth the time if you are European.
>>289512
Hitlers personal doctor was a jew.
>>289675
But they actually weren't, that was just some bullshit they made up.
>>289582
>masculinity is inherently homosexual
Don't project your faggotry on the rest of us. I think you're the one suppressing your sexuality.
>>289582
>just accept their sexuality and not supress it
>IF U R AGAINST GAYS U R GAY 2
When will redditors drop this.
>>289347
no idea.
but if you put yourself in his shoes for a while and think about it, it makes sense purging them all.
why waste time and resources perfecting a human being just to reach a dead end since he doesn't want to mate and pass his genes or even worse pass "broken" and "gay" genes?
if there's something all dictators want to do is to refine the human race, force and make evolution as fast as possible and everything not considered "normal" goes directly to the undesirable traits bin.
>>289552
>COMMIES ARE WAY MORE EVIL!!
>doesn't say why they're more evil
>being a commie is more acceptable
[citation needed]
>while nazi germany died 70 years ago
countries don't die. also you're retarded.
>>289582
>Well, I can't think of a movement that has more homosexuality in it than Nazism.
make that fascism
>>289690
I like the fact you can trigger edgelords like yourselves jusy by implying the obvious homosexual undertones of your favorite ideaology.
>>289476
>>289492
in democracy people often have the right to free speech - and that applies to EVERYTHING and not just the things we see fit to say in public.
but for some reason we live in phony democracies where you can say things as long you don't refute what the powers that be claim to be dogmatic truths.
>link related: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/11993382/German-Nazi-grandma-sentenced-to-10-months-in-prison-for-Holocaust-denial.html
even though i believe it happened i also belive people the right to refuse to acknowledge it and to even call it an hoax - but apparently i'm some kind of extremist and probably a terrorist too...
>>289756
You're making it sound like she told her grandkids there was no Holocaust and the police then imprisoned her for 10 months.
The thing is, she's been to court three (!) times before, two of them for the exact same thing: Holocaust denial. The reason the punishment was so severe was
a) She said it on national television
b) Instead of having a lawyer like a sane person she insisted on defending herself, which probably made her judgement much, much harder
c) She was mocking everyone in the courtroom during the procedure
Thing is, if she didn't enjoy her victim-role as much, she would have probably gotten away with a fee, which, considering she does not work anymore, would have been next to nothing. She wanted it that way.
>belive
>but apparently i'm some kind of extremist and probably a terrorist too...
nevermind, you're one of those, too. have fun playing the victim, brother.
>>289826
your speech is so fucking stupid i don't even know how to start... but here it goes:
>a) She said it on national television
the laws of free speech apply to everyone and everywhere - and they can't be revoked based on how much people are listening
b) Instead of having a lawyer like a sane person she insisted on defending herself, which probably made her judgement much, much harder
you can be your own lawyer if you decide to - and if you don't and have no money to get a proper one the state will get you one for free - once again, a right you may use if you think it's necessary.
c) She was mocking everyone in the courtroom during the procedure
i would do exactly the same since a court that judges his dissident citizens and condemns them to prison for not accepting the mainstream indoctrination deserves no respect and has no moral authority whatsoever.
>nevermind, you're one of those, too. have fun playing the victim, brother.
the irony of this last sentence
>>289885
>the laws of free speech apply to everyone and everywhere - and they can't be revoked based on how much people are listening
The laws of free speech have always been limited you assclown, you can't just go out and call someone a cunt to the face and then say "muh free speech muh thought police". Denying the Holocaust is seen as an insult to all the people alive or dead that suffered from it, therefore it's a crime. While I don't agree with that it's a perfectly reasonable decision.
>you can be your own lawyer if you decide to
No fucking shit.
>and if you don't and have no money to get a proper one the state will get you one for free - once again, a right you may use if you think it's necessary.
What are you even saying? Yeah, I know that, I live in Germany. I said she wanted to defend herself which was the main reason her judgement was harsher than it normally was, do you fucking read? Why are you stating the obvious?
>i would do exactly the same since a court that judges his dissident citizens and condemns them to prison for not accepting the mainstream indoctrination deserves no respect and has no moral authority whatsoever.
Judges don't need "moral authority", they have literal authoritative authority you retard. Morals and ethics are subjective, Holocaust deniers see the trial as immoral, others see it as justified. Completely irrelevant.
Hope you choke on a dick, faggot.
>>289921
>I live in Germany
this explains it most of it- but still:
insulting an individual is something that the free speech laws permit - as long as you have proof to prove your insults if the other person feels offended enough to take the case to trial.
now, not agreeing with the veracity of historical events is a whole different thing - even though people may feel offended, they have no right to silence someone who doesn't believe in the so called historical events and even if they could provide absolute legimitate evidences to prove their point, they could never force the other person to accept them as true.
also, history doesn't belong to anyone - so if someone claims to feel offended when someone speaks about "touchy" subjects they should know they can't claim ownership about historical events so the best they can do is to start being reasonable and just keep on with their lives.
(cont. due to the 1000 character limit)
now about courts -yes they do have "literal authoritative authority" but (mis)judging elder and putting them in jail with common lawbreakers for having commited the crime of "having the audacity of saying something that we, the majority, say it's wrong and never showing regrets" is something similar to what the inquisition did with their religious "courts".
and by doing this and judging their citizens in this way the tribunals lose the moral ground they should have and turn in a political machine-which is the worse it could ever happen to law itself since it loses all it's credibility and influence and throught the times, when this happened people stopped caring about the rules/rebellions followed and people got killed.
so just to end: you had nazi officials that commited attrocious warcrimes that were never put in jail due to their age-and yet you put an elder in jail for agreeing with them.
sometimes i think stalin's and hitler's sole crimes were not to wipe out their own people
>>289921
You are failing to seperate feelings and events.
randomly calling someone a cunt will:
most likely offend them
is not disputing an event that is considered fact
denying the holocaust:
will most likely offend people who lived through it and who did not
IS disputing the official story of history
Just because someone cannot yell "FIRE!" in a crowded theater does not mean they cannot argue events and their truth. This is one of the fundamental pieces of free speech, and the EXACT reason why it is necessary to a free people.
Also, judges do not have "authoritative authority" (I know it is not your language, I will not poke fun) they have "judicial authority", i.e. sentencing.
Just because the laws of free speech are limited in certain regards does not mean we can sentence people to a fine, prison or anything based on words. If we could, then you would have the Polezei on way to your house right now for insulting a possible queer or otherwise for telling him to "choke on a dick, faggot".
>>289347
He turned the blind eye until the Night of the Long Knives. Many of his fellow nazis were homosexuals, amongst them his best friend Ernst Röhm.
He then used negative public opinion against homosexuals as an ostensible excuse after the Night of the Long Knives when assassinating SA members. The same night he also had many political dissidents and potential rallying flags killed, such as Kurt von Schleicher.
>>289435
>Why do people do this? Try to convince themselves that the Nazis were the embodiment of 'pure evil'?
Daily reminder that the Nazis were just other group of people who died for their beliefs.
>>290029
>>290081
>>290112
this is starting to make me angry.
I never said I actively supported the idea of Holocaust denial being a crime, infact I directly opposed it:
>>289921 >While I don't agree with that it's a perfectly reasonable decision.
I was merely stating the full story, since the first poster left out a lot of details that the news article did not mention and that EXPLAIN, not JUSTIFY her sentence
>>290112 You make a very important point:
>denying the holocaust:
>will most likely offend people who lived through it and who did not
>IS disputing the official story of history
only the last part is meaningful, since it is the part that mentions where insult and Holocaust denial part.
Now I really, really doubt that if someone was to publish a scientific work where he, with proper sourcing, argues the number of people that died in the Holocaust, he would not have to fear autority, though maybe societal stigmatization.
You see here that the line is completely arbitrary: in my case he is still doubting "the official story", but the way he does it it is not considered insulting.
Thanks to the Frodo poster and the other guy for keeping the discussion more or less on point, I'm out.
>>290146
Too bad their beliefs were horrid.
>>290189
Ultimately nazism would have created a better world with less suffering.
>prove me wrong.
>>290209
Only for "pure Aryans", which is were the problem starts. I know I'd be probably taking a shower under Hitler's rule.
>>290209
Not really, they planned wars up unto present day, they even envisioned a future war with Asia.
>>289347
The only Jewish lie is that Jews were the only ones, I only found out that the Jewish weren't the only ones in the camps while practicing independent study on the subject (the information isn't hard to find at all, but most people probably don't look for it), there were the Roma, disabled, Jehovah's Witnesses, gays, etc.
>>290146
True,
But the nazi ideology was for one crazy and for the other pretty stupid.
The nazi educational system was horrible. They expelled most of their jewish scientists from the universitys and all political dissidents. The result was a sharp decline in the quality of education.
They even tried to refute Einstein's theory of relativity for no other reason than that it was postulated by a jew. I'm not making this up, they actually called it "Jewish physics" and tried to come up with something else that would fit instead which they could call "German physics" and which, of course, would be superior. Of course they failed and in the end they had to admit Einstein was right.
But the amount of money and resources spent on just evicting fully capable people from their posts just because they were either jewish or something else which they did not approve of is staggering. They were really fucking dumb and irrational.
They also erected several schools meant to educate the military and nazi elite of the future, but when the first students graduated they were found to be wholly inadequate for leadership positions.
Part of this was that under nazi rule, physical education as well ideologically motivated classes were a much bigger part of the school curriculum.
The third Reich is fascinating but they dumb fucks could never have been the worldwide contenders in culture and science as Hitler wanted anyway because they were generating an entire generation of idiots.
>>290298
>The only Jewish lie is that Jews were the only ones
No jew ever claimed this, you're just stupid.
>>290298
Jews don't say they were the only ones whom Hitler wanted to wipe out, you stupid fuck
Why are you blaming others for your own ignorance and seeing everything as a conspiracy?
>>289826
I'm German, I don't deny the Holocaust, but I believe in free speech and I think it is her right to say whatever she wants.
I wouldn't be put in jail if I denied the atrocities under the Kim "dynasty" or Japanese warcrimes.
It's morbidly ironic that you get a prison sentence for speaking your mind in a country that desperately tries to distance themselves from any kind of fascist or authoritarian behaviour.
>t. JIDF
>>289691
>IF U R AGAINST GAYS U R GAY 2
Well, yeah. That's just the way it is though.
Why would you be "against gays" if you're comfortable with your own sexuality?
How does someone being gay influence you in any way?
Is there a law in your country that forces you to suck every cock that dangles from a gay man?
>>290298
Yeah no. That's not even "hard to find". That's just common knowledge.
You must've dropped out of high school.
>>289462
>If anybody in the world could objectively be called evil, it would be the Nazis
Stalin's government was arguably worse
>>289461
cool
>>290516
The NS ideology was a lot more misanthropic.
Everyone the Nazis killed were "less than human" in their eyes.
The Gulags where workcamps where you go to die. The Konzentrationslager are literally self sustaining killing factories.
>>290304
Nazi scientists acquired through Operation Paperclip are the only reason the US space program got as far as it did, anon.
>>290304
Keeping your people uneducated is the first step to a successful dictatorship.
>>289747
>dismissing baseless assumptions of Nazis means you support Nazis
Holy fucking shit, the war was 70 years ago. Can we just look at it objectively?
>>289347
>>289751
>leather boots are masculine now?
Are you actually retarded?
>>290189
>they're bad people, they're not like me in the slightest
That is the reason this shit keeps happening.
>>290304
This, we need do away with this idea of Nazi Germany as this efficient machine of "evil". It was in truth just a clusterfuck of corruption, internal power struggles and choices made on wishful thinking.
>>289492
It's because they think all the people were put in camps and can't believe it. Most were just shot.
>Hiroshima Nagaski creates a board that's "not /pol"
>Full of Jewish conspiracy shit in no time at all
Ernst was pretty based
>tfw you'll never live in a nazi homosexual paradise free of Jews
>>289347
HItler had no qualms killing his closest personnel. Truth is he couldn't give two shits if you were Aryan as long as you obeyed his every command
>>290337
you understood what he meant, dumb shit.
there's barely any mention to all genocides during that period on both sides in general media - but the holocaust.
so unless you dig deep for yourself you'll get the wrong idea that hitler waged a personal war against the jews and only against them.
but that's one of the perk of being the kings of propaganda and controlling the media, i guess... because i can't remember the last time i saw a handicapped lobby or a gypsy lobby doing any kind of pressure or rulling over anything at any moment.
>>289415
true. several Islamic cultures generally accepted same sex acts, but rejects gay propaganda
>>289552
Being a commie doesn't imply any kind of exclusion of groups of individuals nor any of the other bad stuff that the communist governments did, while being a nazi does imply the segregation of certain groups.
posting nazi semi homoerotic photos
Daily reminder that Ernst Rohm was a known homosexual and that the SA was full of gays (before the Night of the Long Knives)
Have some HJ swimmers with tastefully designed nazi speedos
>>290304
This. If you think National Socialism was a great system to live under, you should move to Zimbabwe. That's the closest you'll get.
>>289347
Gays even had their own fucking badge in concentration camps like political offenders and jews had their own.
>>289381
why do you support nazism sometimes and defend communism other times are you a centrist faggot
>>289921
>The laws of free speech have always been limited
Then its not free speech then is it.
>>290304
>they expelled jews and they became stupid
Propaganda if i've ever seen it.
There are many discoveries that came as a result of nazi human experimentation, such as discovering tobacos link to cancer.
>>295443
what was the badge ? was it a rainbow?
>>295483
You didn't even read the post did you?
Just because they expelled most of the brilliant minds doesn't mean they expelled all of them. But they were seriously lacking behind in their educational system because jews and other disidents were not allowed to teach. It's a simple calculation really, doesn't take much to figure that out except putting two and two together.
>>289690
>implying homosexuality isn't inherently masculine
having sex with soft weak things (women) is pathetic.
a real man fucks something strong and rough and manly.
>>297098
Not just that, but because Nazism was built around a notion of 'virile masculinity' and 'kultur' producing everything you need.
The result was an active hatred of critical thinking, even if you were loyal to the regime.
In a country that sidelined Hjalmarr Schacht in favor of Herman Goering, would YOU want to learn shit?
>>293026
Had him executed for trying to overthrow Hitler, even.
>>295483
>>290558
The Nazis were very big on the practical sciences and engineering; stuff that could produce actual direct "results". They called the theoretical sciences "Jewish Science", which was dumb because in order to trailblaze you need the underlying theory to do anything. All of their wunderwaffe were just culminations of prewar developments and projects; shit they already knew.
>>297654
>the Nazis were very big on the practical sciences and engineering
Yeah, but the way North Korea is big on those things. Their focus on 'results' not only undermined the theoretical basis of those things, but support industries, and eventually the basis of sound engineering, pointing out problems.
>>297696
I didn't say they were smart or right to do so. The Nazi war machine was the logical conclusion of letting engineers run free with no oversight.
>>295451
>why do you support nazism sometimes...
I HAVE NEVER SUPPORTED "NAZISM".
>... and defend communism other times...
I HAVE NEVER DEFENDED "COMMUNISM".
>... are you a centrist...[?]
MY POLITICS ARE RADICAL CENTRIST.
>... [ARE YOU A] faggot[?]
NO.
>>289415
True. I'm ok with gay sexuality as long as its practicioners conform to masculine norms. Sadly that hasn't been the case.
>>289826
It wasn't on national television
>>289582
Tom of Finland said he found the nazi uniforms he saw while in the finnish military incredibly homoerotic
>>297779
Does this image arouse you? [y/n]
>>296832
take a guess...
>>297138
John Oliver? People have been saying this every year. Is John Oliver even relevant? I mean, the daily show hasn't been relevant in a decade, so how is he on the public stage?
>>289381
>tripfag
No thanks.
>>298626
It's all because the new king of Canada or whatever they call it has turned it into a joke. When asked why he made his cabinet so diverse, rather than give any number of valid answers, he just said
>It's 2015
As if diversity for diversity's sake was required because of the current year.
John Oliver, being the pompous British ass that he always is, jumped on the incident and ran it into the ground, deriding anyone who (rightfully) criticized the new PM's response.
Yeah the
>2012
>Shiggy
thing has been around for a while, but it's been co-opted by asshats recently and kind of ruined.
>sage for off topic
>>298780
Not diverse. Just equally male/female.
>>289461
Stop trying to be the angry geologist
>>289446
of course, but nazi ideology in fact contained an extreme black and white view of the world that they wanted to implement. were not talking about a sophisticated philosophical system here fa.m
>>299015
Hello, newfriend.
From where do you hail? Reddit? Funnyjunk?
>>289381
>Rei defends fascism now
Man what happened to you.
>>289552
>Communists are way more evil, there's still communist governments that murder, torture and send people to gulags yet somehow being a commie is more acceptable than a nazi while nazi germany died 70 years ago
Communism, like any other fascist regime, will hunt down and pursue disidents.
Naziism hunted down dissidents and the undesirables.
>>289415
>People really need to learn to distinguish between same-sex acts, homosexuality, gay identity and "gay propaganda". You'd be surprised how many bigots and nazis are okay with some of these.
not sure if you're ironic
sorry I'm from pol so I don't know what's the atmosphere on other boards. please explain
