>>284939 An historian's job, ideally speaking, should be to understand, not to judge. And even if you are going to judge something, at least do this in light of the context in which it happened. If you slap your own conceptions over the past, you pretty much just use history as an excuse to preach and push your own values. Green isn't an historian, at best he is a commentator or a polemist.
for me it's the fact that he's balls deep into the "west is bad" mentality. His vids have a lot of bias cherry picking one or two sources to get a view of history most in keeping with his own political vieuws/feelings.
If i wanted some garbage re write of history for political reasons I'd go watch the greathest story never told. At least /pol/ has decent edditing.
>>284939 It's detrimental for your better understanding of the events. By judging the events with modern ideas and morals, you're falling away from the ideas and morals of the time, therefore hijacking your own understanding of the ancient people's motivations. Considering that trying to understand past mentality is already pretty difficult, shooting your own foot is something you should avoid.
Don't forget that the purpose of history as a subject is knowledge of the past (and then you can use this knowledge for whatever you want, or ignore it if it doesn't suit your agenda).
>>285171 You need too many degrees and years of study to teach at a university. With that much experienc,e you cannot decently show John Green to anyone, except as a counter-example of how vulgarization should be done.
>>284973 Just watched his video about the Odyssey. A third of it is dedicated to showing Odisseus is a bad mysogynist pig by today's standard instead of explaining what was considered moral or heroic for ancient greeks. Cerficied cancer.
>>285189 I remember that our teacher used the documentary version of guns, germs and steel in my first year of university. It's been a long time so I don't remember if it was for pre-history or ancient history.
She asked for a review and I remember I made a moderate critique, questioning some of Diamond's points but overall not bashing him much. After all, most teachers want you to show you can be critical but they actually get butthurt if you go too far against his ideas.
From what I could gather by asking my companions, I got one of the best grades. Apparently the teacher hated Diamond's guts and wanted us to completely dismantle his point. Most sudents limited themselves to just agreeing with the documentary, believing they were agreeing with the teacher.
I like John Green whenever he is not going full retard about MUH PATRIARCHY. Also his non "euro-centric" approach is really interesting if you want to learn about non western history. Just don't swallow the "the west is evil, but the Mongols were totally fine" cool-aid.
And no. I'm not female nor have I ever read any of his fiction.
>>286038 I was curious and checked his fiction (only paper towns) and to be honest it's better than anything I did read when I was a teenager. I'm ok with my little sister reading that and not twilight, for example.
The videos could be better, but there's really no better option. They're mostly just not for anyone who browses an history board, and is expected to already have a general knowledge of history beyond pop history.
I actually enjoyed some of his later videos though. Like that one about civilization, I didn't know shit about that Zomia thing. Maybe Green isn't the best to learn about it, but he gave me a 10 minute introduction and since I had zero knowledge about those stateless peoples that's what I needed to start.
>>286024 What's the deal with the anti-fascist movement? I recently moved to a university city and anti-fascist stickers are absolutely everywhere, despite the fact there's no actual fascist movement to speak of.
>>286277 >What's the deal with the anti-Satan movement? I recently moved to a holy city and anti-Satan speakers are absolutely everywhere, despite the fact there's no actual Satanist movement to speak of. It's a religion desu.
>>286277 "anti-fascists" are just some leftist thugs. Basically hooligans, but leftwing instead of rightwing. Don't worry about them, they probably undermined your student council, but all this leftist shit at universities is just a very loud and obnoxious minority.
>>286277 Fascism is a buzzword nowadays. It mostly means "thing I don't like" though it has a more or less stable right-wing connotation. Precisely because there's no strong fascist movement anymore, the word fascism will probably evolve to become closer to this definition rather than the original one.
Actually, leftism, marxism, etc. are also gigantic buzzwords. Not on the level of fascism, but well.
>>284973 Yeah when I was in high school teachers would show his videos occasionally and all the annoying girls in the class would fangirl over him. I was always thought he and his brothers seemed like smug dicks who didn't actually know enough to tutor people on the subjects.
There's a difference between relaying history with an open mind and offering commentary on it. Some people claim to be historians, but are ultimately just using historical studies as a way to get an instant soap box where otherwise people probably wouldn't listen to them. A good historian knows when to relay the facts objectively and how to make clear what are just his own personal judgements without forcing his students to believe as he does.
It's also problematic to pass judgement on the past for not following your morals when your morals are themselves a product of that history and simply did not exist in the past for you to be able to expect others to follow them. Which is why the modernist critique of the classical and medieval period always feels shallow.
A screen flickers to light in a dark classroom in Stockholm, Sweden. The students eagerly await the video to load, so they can receive their anticipated lesson.
>Hi! I'm John Green and this is Crash Course: World History and we're going to talk about the Renaissance.
The Students clap and cheer violently, a round of applause going around the room and the children smile, knowing the all-wise John Green is here to educate them about the past.
>We all know those stupid Eurocentrists claim the Renaissance was driven by Italian innovation...
The students boo and frown, vaguely aware that the "Yuro-centrists" are always the bad guys in Mr. Green's lessons. A few are on the edge of their seats and in tears, hoping that Mr. Green will soon defeat the bad guys like he does every video.
>but every true non-fascist knows it wasn't done by privileged Italians at all...it was driven by Muslims!
The students cheer and cry tears of joy, knowing that at this point in the video they are transported into Mr. Green's "Thought Bubble", which shows them delightful images of men in turbans painting Renaissance art and raising children with white Italian mothers.
>But remember kids... the Renaissance didn't even matter! The Europeans still didn't have socialized healthcare and multiculturalism! See you next episode!
The screen suddenly goes dark, and the children dejectedly leave the classroom for their next class: Traditions of Islam and Cultural Awareness.
>>286979 note how in the Crusades episode he rejects the marxist proto-colonialism narrative and also eschews the europeans seeking plunder narrative and talks about how people rich and poor back in 1099 were true believers and could actually be driven by religious fervor
i really dont get this white guilt thing honestly maybe you can point to the glaring omission of the cataclysmic 30-years' war at which you could go 'muh yurocentrism' about but thats about it
He does a good job presenting history in an easy-to-understand view that gets ideas across to people who would otherwise never open a textbook (see: most teenagers in AP history classes), but the other complaints here are valid. His videos are also difficult to watch if you mind all the nonsensical editing tweaks.
>>284452 It stems from the fact that he focuses on stupid fucking puns, shitty jokes, and shoehorned pop-culture references. He looks at history from today's morals, making history nothing more than stupid fucking facts to remember. Not to mention the fact that he breezes through important points in less that 10 minutes. Oh, and the fact that he has to rationalize himself for talking about men in history, and acting like women are completely disregarded. Fuck that guy, and fuck lazy teachers who show his shitty videos instead of opening up a book and teaching. >Alexander the Great couldn't make history in a vacuum Fuck off John
John Green's a kek, but an understandable kek. He's making shit for teenagers in honors classes. It's no wonder he panders and makes jokes. Students whom use John Green's videos to study aren't a problem, though. Adults, and especially learned, shouldn't watch John Green videos, they should just read a book.
>>284452 Hurr durr le actions of individuals and their opinions are completely inconsequential, only economics disease (stupid disease always ruining everything) matter. He is also just a hypocritical leftist in general, only mentioning things like homophobia and sexism when talking about the west, but never mentioning it around anybody else.
>>295434 My only complaint, and it's against the world in general rather than against Green, is that there's no real alternative.
The possible "alternatives" don't offer what green's craschourse history gives. This is, a ten minutes explanation of a subject orientated to clueless people (mostly teenagers). Which is what allows the Green brothers to have 3.638.603 subscriptors.
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