This is what I have for now...
>Criminality:
No jail or death penalty for serious crimes, only exile.
Penalty fee or social work for minor crimes.
>Sexuality:
All sexual behaviours are legal (while the partners can give verbal consent).
Pornography possession of any type is allowed.
Transexuality is not recognized as a gender.
Abortion is legal.
>Society:
Adulthood is granted by passing a multi-disciplinary test, not by arbitrary age. This gives social rights, like the capability of getting a driving license.
Guns are legal, and people can buy it passing a competency test every 5 years.
Non-lethal drugs are allowed under some safety circumstances, and not in public.
Educational system based on encouraging continued self-education using evidence based sources.
Religion will be banned or discouraged (due to its promotion of ignorant behaviour).
People who have severely debilitating inheritable diseases will be discouraged of having descendants.
Euthanasia is allowed.
>Government:
Strong defensive military. No indoctrination, but there might be some kind of military learning for the self-defense of the country, and self-survival, not for any nationalist desire of expansion.
Leaders are chosen by a raffle, between citizens that meet certain requirements. Economically retributed only during its mandate.
Expropriation by the state is limited, requires compensation and agreement of the majority of the local population.
Public renewable energy system backed up with nuclear reactors. Free electricity and water, if it's possible.
Economic help for renewable energies promotion.
>International:
Limited foreign political relationships and influence.
Neutral position in terms of diplomatic relations.
Keep suggesting, guys.
Cute girl pic because everybody like cute girls.
>>279877
>No jail or death penalty for serious crimes, only exile.
Fuck exile. Send them to gulag.
>Age of Consent
9 years old
>starting with ethics
Plev detected.
We need to know our economic potential, our geography and our enemies before we can determine anything meaningful
>>279896
Nope.
>All sexual behaviours are legal (while the partners can give verbal consent).
We will not promote taboos, only real facts. And the fact is that kids have sexual desires. There's nothing wrong with that. Please, avoid quoting north american phychologists, you'll not get something real form them.
>>279898
>and our enemies
We are neutral, so... everybody.
All depends on the emplacement of our country, and our natural resources.
>>279877
>Religion will be banned or discouraged (due to its promotion of ignorant behaviour).
Lol good luck with that. People definitely won't rebel against such laws.
>Not mentioning geography, economy, population size, resources, or anything even remotely practical
Take this shit to >>>/int/
>>279877
I wouldn't want to live in such a shit country, and that comes from someone living in a third world shithole.
>>279877
Sounds horrible.
>>280007
Also, why?
>>279877
How could you possibly impose exile in the modern theatre?
>>280026
>these kind of people can leave at anytime
Lets impeach op so we can actually get an economy going
>>280055
This
>shoving immigrants into other countries like they wont notice
>murder some guy I dont like
>get exiled
>move to france
Ayy lmao
>>280109
This is the answer.
>>279877
>No jail or death penalty for serious crimes, only exile.
That's a terrible idea. The vast majority of criminals have no real ties to their country, so exile has little deterrent value.
Exile was mostly used in times when a colonial power was looking to populate its frontier holdings, such as British Australia, or where the criminal was of noble birth and punishing them more severely would be politically problematic.
>>280026
>This kind of people can leave anytime.
And then you'll have no workers.
Great logic!
H E L L O .
— "AGE OF MAJORITY" SET AT EIGHTEEN YEARS OF AGE, FOR MALES, AND FEMALES.
— "DEATH PENALTY" FOR "CAPITAL CRIMES" FOR "ADULTS", AND "MINORS".
— JAILTIME AND COMPULSORY "PUBLIC LABOUR" FOR "MINOR CRIMES" FOR "ADULTS", AND "MINORS".
— ABSOLUTE STATECONTROL OVER REPRODUCTION.
— ABSOLUTE STATECONTROL OVER AGRICULTURE.
— ABSOLUTE STATECONTROL OVER EDUCATION.
— ABSOLUTE STATECONTROL OVER MEDIA.
— ABSOLUTE STATECONTROL OVER CENTRALIZED ECONOMY.
— REGARDING LANDSPACE, SEASPACE, AIRSPACE, AND PRODUCTION OF "GOODS":
SOCIALIZATION OF PRODUCTION, COLLECTIVIZATION OF OWNERSHIP, PRIVATIZATION OF DISTRIBUTION.
— COMPULSORY INSTITUTIONALIZATION FOR MENTALLY, AND/OR PHYSICALLY, IMPAIRED PERSONS.
— COMPULSORY NEUTERIZATION FOR MENTALLY, AND/OR PHYSICALLY, IMPAIRED PERSONS, AND FOR PARENTS OF MORE THAN ONE MENTALLY, AND/OR PHYSICALLY, IMPAIRED PERSON.
— "ABORTION" LEGAL WITHIN THE FIRST SEVEN WEEKS AND SIX DAYS OF PREGNANCY.
— ALL RECREATIONAL DRUGS, NATURAL, AND SYNTHETIC, ARE DECRIMINALIZED.
— "AGE OF CONSENT" SET AT FOURTEEN YEARS OF AGE FOR FEMALES, AND SIXTEEN YEARS OF AGE FOR MALES.
— COMPULSORY "YOUTH SERVICE" FOR MALES, AND FEMALES, AT AGE NINE, UNTIL AGE SEVENTEEN.
— COMPULSORY MILITARY SERVICE FOR MALES, AND FEMALES, AT AGE SEVENTEEN, FOR A MINIMUM OF TWO YEARS.
— COMPULSORY RETIREMENT FROM WORKFORCE AT AGE FIFTYSEVEN, FOR ALL PERSONS.
— COMPULSORY OWNERSHIP OF AT LEAST ONE FIREARM FOR ALL "ADULTS".
— CITIZENSHIP AUTOMATICALLY GRANTED TO ANYONE BORN WITHIN NATIONAL BORDERS.
— CITIZENSHIP TO FOREIGNERS GRANTED UPON APPROVAL, OR REJECTED UPON DENIAL, ACCORDING TO CRITERIA OF APTITUDE, AND PERSONALITY.
— TEMPORARY RESIDENCE TO FOREIGNERS GRANTED UPON APPROVAL, OR REJECTED UPON DENIAL, ACCORDING TO CRITERIA OF APTITUDE, AND PERSONALITY.
— NUCLEAR ENERGY: ILLEGAL.
— CARBON ENERGY: ILLEGAL.
— NUCLEAR TECHNOLOGY: BANNED.
— CARBON TECHNOLOGY: BANNED.
— BODILY INVASIVE RELIGIOUS PRACTICES: ILLEGAL.
— RELIGIOUS ANIMAL SLAUGHTER: ILLEGAL.
— THE BREEDING OF MAMMALS, BIRDS, REPTILES, AND FISH, FOR CONSUMPTION, SALE, BARTER, LABOUR, "GAME HUNTING", RITUAL OR RELIGIOUS SLAUGHTER, MEDICAL OR SCIENTIFIC EXPERIMENTATION, STUDY, BIOGENETIC MANIPULATION, OR DISTRIBUTION: ILLEGAL.
W E L C O M E !
>>280653
>Where is this from?
FROM MY MYSELF.
>sounds like some bad anime.
HOW SO?
>>279974
>economy
It's just a modern meme, it's secondary.
Full on mercantilism
>>280678
That's it? That's your country? "full on mercantilism"? What do you even mean by just posting that? Learn to fucking read, idiot.
>>279877
>location
an island West of Portugal, half the size of Great Britain with a few smaller Islands around it.
>Population size
12 million
>Resources
Few, but abundant in rare earth minerals
>climate and wildlife
Subtropical, predominately deforested, but small Islands are mostly preserved (possible tourist attraction)
>race/culture/history
??? (you guys decide)
>economy/ideology
???
keep adding things please guys. Also, OP's idea of exile instead of jail is stupid.
What side did this country support during WW1/WW2?
>>280450
>>280455
>>280666
Good work CENSORBOT3000
>>279877
>banning native religion
>no hereditary monarch
>weak diplomacy
This thread should be titled, "Let's imagine losing a war and having really harsh conditions imposed on us by the conquerors."
Also, how do I find and marry that girl?
>>280455
>— NUCLEAR ENERGY: ILLEGAL.
>— NUCLEAR TECHNOLOGY: BANNED.
Are you stupid? Nuclear energy is the future and best option when the technology improves.
>>280711
>Race: Portuguese/Moorish/Italian Mix
>Culture: Traditionalist
>Religion: Islam
>History: Colonized in Roman times by a legendary founder, was the last places practising Roman paganism until Islamic conquest by the Umayyads.
>>280775
NO; YOUR OPINION IS ERRONEOUS; I AM NOT ENGAGING IN A DISCUSSION, OR IN AN ARGUMENT, WITH YOU, OR WITH ANYONE ELSE, REGARDING NUCLEAR ENERGY; YOU ARE SIMPLY MISTAKEN.
>>280781
>>History: Colonized in Roman times by a legendary founder, was the last places practising Roman paganism until Islamic conquest by the Umayyads
The nation becomes independent,under the rule of a popular army officer,after the Reconquista but retains a syncretic version of Islam and Roman Paganism. It's coast cities thrive and a powerful Navy is built, it discovers the Americas first.
>Location
Siberia
>Population size
500 million
>Resources
All of Siberia's resources
>Government
Totalitarian that fully embraces Communism. Leader is also a Fascist
>Military
Country is very militaristic with every male 16 or older requiring to serve up to 5 years. Access to Nuclear Weapons
>Society
Extremely nationalistic with every man, women and child willing to fight to the death for their country (think WW2 Japan but greater) Every citizen is required to contribute one way or another for their country. Homosexuality is banned and comes with a death sentence if one is discovered to be gay. If a child is found defective from birth it is immediately cast aside. Education is free but is very propaganda based to ensure loyalty to the government.
>Foreign policy
Imperialistic Allies with North Korea.
How did I do?
>>280905
So literally a more populated,fascist Russia? Unless it's somewhere else in Siberia, but Siberia is a bretty big place.
>>279877
>Criminality:
No death penalty, "average" sentences (no eye for an eye bullshit)
sociopaths/pedophiles are locked up forever, but treated differently depending on crimes
>Sexuality
Same as OP
>Society:
Guns will be illegal
Religion will be ALLOWED, but religious leaders have limits in politics.
People who score high in IQ tests and are generally healthy/good looking will be paid by government to have more children.
>Education
>Government:
No military since sided with Axis during WW2.
Leaders are bred to be leaders from birth. All children go through thorough testing during childhood and a selected few with good leading skills/High IQ/incorruptibly go on to a special program, where they live with lower classes and then upper classes. These few can then run for political positions after they reach 18 and democratic voting ensues.
>International:
Allied with US and western Europe
>>280711
>race/culture
Primarily Tartessian, but with historic Punic and Portuguese minorities in cities of the eastern coast.
>history
Colonized during the late iron age by Tartessians from the south of Iberia – periodic incursions by Celts from Lusitania were repulsed, though Punic merchants were allowed to establish colonies along the coast. Roman invasion plans of the mid-late empire were never brought to fruition due to the island's relative isolation, a factor which similarly frustrated the designs of Islamic conquest. Largely governed by several petty kingdoms and coastal city-states, periodically coalescing into one kingdom or confederacy before collapsing along tribal lines. Native religion persisted until the middle ages, when an Iberian crusade took advantage of such a collapse and introduced Christianity, along with Portuguese colonists. Governance was soon retaken by the natives, though the nation remained unified under the Portuguese colonial model.
>religion
Originally Iberian, then Roman Catholic. Due to the strong influence of native traditions, multiple heresies took hold of the island, and eventually the nation broke away from Rome and a syncretic church was established.
>government
Constitutional elective monarchy, in the form of a national governor chosen from the inland tribal nobility or the hereditary merchant-nobility of the coast. I would assume the "constitutional" bit would be a relatively recent development.
>>280956
>No death penalty
I agree it should not be prominent, but in some cases it's the best option. An unrepentant murderer would only pose a problem to other inmates, inmates who are looking for rehabilitation. Keeping them separated from the major populace in their own facilities would be too expensive.
>Guns will be illegal
Disagree. Guns and shooting ranges are a fun hobby, and banning them would leave the average populace gimped in the case of a rise in crime or home break-ins.
What was that website where you could make a country and go through choices and stuff that would slowly mold your country? I remember I had mandatory nudity one time.
>>281067
Nation States?
>>281067
nationstates
>>281044
>Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. For even the wise cannot see all ends.
The safest countries in the world don't allow guns. Guns also induce the "eye for an eye" mentality. Not all criminals deserve death.
>>279877
This is some sonic oc levels of bullshit.
>>281090
then come up with a better idea and contribute to the thread faggot
>>280455
>>280450
>mfw
>>279877
The fact your second topic is identity politics makes me want to put a bomb under your parliament.
>>279877
Some mix between NatSoc and Monarchism I suppose.
>Religion will be banned or discouraged (due to its promotion of ignorant behaviour).
*tips*
>>279877
Is this something to be implemented in real life or a hypothetical utopia?
>every year, the government will determine the minimal amount of money required for a person to live above the poverty line
>this amount will be paid to each citizen under an opt-out system and replaces all other welfare
Could it work?
>>281157
All of these created nations are hypothetical utopias(for the creator), the world is so complex and has so many variables influencing it that implementing something like a nation artificially is going to have pretty shitty results.
>>281188
Why doesn't every go on the 'opt-out' system seeing as they're not going to be living in poverty and also don't need to work.
You need big incentives for people to work if you're that generous, unless everything is automated then potential human workers opting out doesn't really matter.
>>281193
I figured as such, considering the anti religion clause in OP's idea. That in it self would cause an up hill battle for any real implementation.
>>281044
>GUNS R FUN HURR
ameritards
>>281210
>minimally above the poverty line
You won't starve if you budget for food well, rent a room in a cheap house and rarely go out. Not exactly living it up. Anybody with the slightest ounce of ambition would look for work. Obviously I'd encourage automation but I'm not assuming any leaps forward in technology.
>>281253
Repeating somebody's post with poor grammar, caps lock and 'hurr' at the end doesn't actually constitute a rebuttal.
>>279877
we need to colonize some ''unihabited'' and start anew
OP here. I created this thread as something serious. It's not a thread where people can suggest utopias or fictional countries, but the pillars of a better country, where people who think like us is welcome. A country free of religions (that leads to hate, violence and unproductivity), free of sexual taboos (while the partners can give verbal consent, nobody should give a fuck), and oriented to create a better and happier society (better education, energetically self-sustainable...). All this together leads to a real free country, not ruled by fanatics, companies or personal and foreign interests.
Some drugs are allowed to combat outlaw gangs promotion. Nobody can win the war on drugs, and this is also applied to sexual orientations. This is what most countries tried, with useless results (I'm not even going to talk about all the money they've spent).
Also, somebody asked for the first pic. She's Kübra Kapan, a turkish girl.
>>280450
What utter shit. Socialism doesn't work you nonce
>>279877
>exile for serious crimes
That creates a hostile army at your borders over time, or a groing number of people influecing neighbouring states to become hostile.
>Transexuality is not recognized as a gender.
Two things:
1. Nobody ever claimed that transsexuality was a gender.
2. How would such a measure improve matters for anyone, if it made sense?
>Non-lethal drugs
What's a non-lethal drug, as opposed to one that can produce lethal effects? Too much of almost anything can be lethal.
> transexuality isn't recognized as a gender
seems arbitrary
>>279877
This is the stupidest shit I've heard in a short while.
>>279877
this sounds like some obese pedo autists magical realm
>oh wait
>>283357
it kinda seems like a desperate way to seem "not tumblr" which strikes me as tryhardish.
>>283062
Well, you're wrong.The pillars of a country aren't ethical, they're based on power, i.e. economy, diplomacy, political influence, military (maybe), etc.
Actually, I'm not sure if these are the main pillars for a country, but religion (or lack of) and sexual taboos are far from the most important.
>>283429
haha why would someone even equate those? I'm trans, and Tumblr SJW bullshit is fucked. I'm just trying to chill and live my life.
>>283963
Its unfortunately pretty common in 4chan since people don't realize tumblr is a small but really loud minority of people.
>>283978
people need to get out more
>>279877
>Religion will be banned or discouraged (due to its promotion of ignorant behaviour)
>Banning religion because it triggers you
Your society is shit and doesnt even value the rights of the indivdual, the Rule of law or Freedom of religion. 0/10 society that would likely devolve into widespread abuse of power desu senpai
>>279877
>No jail or death penalty for serious crimes, only exile.
If the punishment for murder is exile, people would probably do it, and know that the worst they would risk is a trip to Paris.
>Religion will be banned or discouraged (due to its promotion of ignorant behaviour).
Nice. I see you don't value freedom of thought. This seems a little contradictionary, because the rest of your sugggestions seem to focus more on personal liberty and individual choice. Except this one, which uses some fucked up collectivist definition of "ignorant."
>Leaders are chosen by a raffle, between citizens that meet certain requirements. Economically retributed only during its mandate.
Who decides what these requirements are? The leaders already in power?
And anyway, how is a raffle really going to decide who's BEST for the job? That wouldn't select for skill or competency at all, it would just be random.
>All sexual behaviours are legal (while the partners can give verbal consent).
You need to include a clear definition of consent, because rape laws are supposed to define what consent is.
>Adulthood is granted by passing a multi-disciplinary test, not by arbitrary age. This gives social rights, like the capability of getting a driving license.
Who makes this test? Who determines what makes someone an adult?
>Name
The Strange Plains
>Characteristics
It's an empty plot of land where people are encouraged to make errors of every kind
If you exile enough they will make their own group and destroy yours
>>284440
This.
This is /his/, we need to learn from history.
>>281086
I live in a small(ish) town in PA, and everyone here owns atleast 2 guns. For some reason we haven't had a murder for quite some time now. Don't even know why, it's almost like the robberies don't happen because we all know we're armed.
Also, the goverment is there to provide for the people, not the other way around. If our fuck nut of a goverment over steps it's bounds, they deserve to be overthrown.
>>279877
Fuck off with this. You cannot even say this is tangentially on topic.
>>284539
Too many to count.
>>279877
>No jail or death penalty for serious crimes, only exile.
Exile to where? Do you think that you'll be popular using other countries as a dumping ground?
>>279877
>Child porn is fine
>"consensual" pedophilia is fine
Found the kiddie fiddler.
>>279877
Where do I sign up?
A large country where you have to be of above average intelligence and creativity to be a citizen.
People would be rigorously tested from birth to figure out whether they would fit into Nerdtopia, and then would be given the option of moving there.
It would be a forested land filled with mountains and lakes and Swiss-like mountain valleys and glacial mountains like the Pacific Northwest.
People would be sorted into different castes based on their abilities. Artists and musicians would be given the ability to actually make a living doing what they love, same with historians and anyone else. The country as a whole would be obsessed with psychological testing and cordoning people off into specialized areas where they can be with people most like themselves after they figure out what their personality is like and what they're good at. There would probably be a lot of robots doing the work to make sure people are allowed to pursue their passions, and being nerds, we would probably have a good space program too.
>>285916
The most intelligent and leadership-oriented people would be guiding the country, ever present and working for the benefit of all, but not having much final say over the mostly decentralized country.
Other than the general focus on castes and psychological testing, the governments of the various areas would run the gamut from highly urbanized, futuristic Star Trek socialism to racist monarchical tribes in the mountains.
Obviously, crime would be very low, as well as drug use/alcoholism. Keeping up a good birth rate would probably be an issue, since smart people don't like to have kids. Traditionally "jock" things like sports would fall to the wayside, though we would have a military.
Speaking eloquently would be highly prized, and people would eventually develop a very refined, verbose manner of speech that most people today would consider cringeworthy. People would wear various forms of clothing related to various nerd subcultures or fantasy or historical periods that they enjoy. This can include emo styles, punk rock, fancy JRPG clothes, Elven robes, witch and wizard outfits, Roman togas, etc.
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