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The only reason the Western culture has dominated for the last 200 years is that it's power has ascended greatly since the Industrial Revolution. Things are going to change in this century. Before the Industrial Revolution, Europe was basically a coping and adaptive culture. As you can see, the Greek civilization was not an ORIGINAL civilization like the Chinese civilization. The Greek civilization was heavily influenced by both Egyptian and Mesopotamian civilizations ( Greek myths and religion had their roots in various Mesopotamian beliefs).. The Greek architecture and medicine were adopted from Egypt and ancient Greeks extensively borrowed from Babylonians ( the ancestors of the present day Arabs) for it's astronomy and mathematics and even it's alphabet was based on the non- European semitic Phoenician alphabet. How about Christianity which was originated among non-European semitic people? As you can see, the Greeks were the biggest copycats in the ancient world. In this ancient time period, there were Confucius, Laozi, Mozi, Zhangzi, Mencius, Sun tsu, etc in China whose thoughts were at least as great as any Greek thinkers. Before you wrote this outdated Eurocentric trash, you should have read SCIENCE AND CIVILIZATION IN CHINA by Joseph Needham which was picked as one of the 100 best English language non-fictions of the 20th century by Random House. I'm going to list some of many Chinese inventions and ideas that backwards Europe copied from China before the Industrial Revolution. China invented compass, rudder, leeboard, centerboard, multi-mast, watertight compartments which Europe didn't use for their ships until the late 18th century. Without all these Chinese inventions, the European voyages of discovery wouldn't have been possible. Also China invented not only paper but also printing including the movable type about 400 years before Gutenberg who had been vey likely influenced by the movable type developments in China and Korea, developed one.
Without these Chinese inventions, the SPREAD of Renaissance would have been extremely difficult. China invented not only gunpowder but also gun, cannon, rocket including multi-stage ones, both land and sea mines, bomb, even hand grenade. All these Chinese military technologies were furiously copied by Europeans. Can you imagine the modern military without these Chinese inventions? Even the European Enlightenment was heavily influenced by many of Chinese thoughts. As a matter of fact, many Enlightenment thinkers such as Montaigne, Leibniz, Voltaire, Quesnay, etc. were enamored with the ancient Chinese idea of mandate of heaven that essentially declared that an UNFIT king should be overthrown. These European scholars thought the mandate of heaven idea was much more enlightening than the rigid and primitive European idea of the divine right of king to rule forever no matter what. This Chinese idea of mandate od heaven greatly influenced the French Revolution. Also these European thinkers had a high opinion of the Chinese bureaucratic system based on meritocracy through civil service examinations, while denouncing the privileges of the European hereditary aristocracy. Even the concept of laissez-faire was borne in the ancient China. Both Taoists and Confucian scholars believed in little or no state intervention in economic activities. From about 2nd century BC on, Chinese dynasties practiced free market economy while only intervening from time to time in iron and salt enterprises and also by and large they kept taxes low. The Chinese idea of laissez-faire greatly influenced the French economist Quesnay who in turn influenced Adam Smith. Also in the 18th century all things Chinese were a rage in Europe. Europeans copied Chinese architecture, interior decoration, tea-drinking, etc. As you can see it was the Europeans copying Chinese, not the other way around.
It's no accident China and India were the two biggest economies in the world from the 1st century to the end of the 18th century. Also China invented blast furnace, coking - coal, so called- Bessemer Steel Process, Siemens' Steel process, drilling techniques for oil and natural gas ( China drilled for natural gas and transferred it through pipelines for heating and lighting starting in the 4th century BC, on the other hand Europe didn't use natural gas until the late 19th century). Without all these Chinese inventions, the Industrial Revolution would have been impossible. These are just some of the ground- breaking Chinese inventions and ideas that backward Europe eagerly copied before the Industrial Revolution. Even science was born in the 11th century in the Islamic civilization with the birth of the EXPERIMENTAL SCIENTIFIC METHOD ( all ancient civilizations were pre-scientific) The backwards Europe again copied the experimental scientific method extensively thus bringing about the Scientific Revolution in Europe. The primitive Europeans copied not only science but also math, architecture, literature, etc from the Islamic civilization in the Middle Ages. As you can see Europe was basically a copying and adaptive culture before the Industrial Revolution. Even though Europe overtook China in science in the 17th century. China was still ahead of Europe in technology until the end of the 18th century because there was disconnect between nascent scientific theories and implementing them for technological developments. Before the Industrial Revolution, almost all the technological improvements were done by craftsmen or technicians not by scientists. Even Ancient China was far ahead of the Greco-Roman civilization in technology. According to Robert Temple, a well-respected scholar of the Oriental Studies, more than half of the inventions that laid foundations for the modern world before the Industrial Revolution came from China.
If China had not declined in the 19th century and had more powerful second industrial revolution ( China's first industrial revolution occurred in the 11th century under Sung dynasty), we might be speaking Mandarin now, instead of English also study Confucius, Laozi, Mozi, Mencius, instead of such overrated ancient Greeks as Socrates, Aristotle, Plato. What we are seeing now is the 200-- year Western domination is coming to an end and the world is going back to the original Asian predominance. The last 200 years of the Western domination was an aberration from the long-running Asian super- achievements.
eurocentrist scum
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Yeah well it was Portuguese that first sailed all the way to China, not the other way around. This was 450 years ago, not 200.
>>273172
eurocentric illiterate
>>273019
Gotta love how Japan is always left aside from muh asian master race
>>273019
no culture is an original culture, tech has been spreading back and forth throughout the old world for centuries
let's say the europeans invented pendulum clocks, arabs invented lusterware, indians invented zero and the chinese invented fireworks
all these inventions spread to all the other civilizations, soon every civilization has 3 inventions that originated outside and 1 invention that originated inside
do you see how meaningless this concept is?
Belief in european exceptionalism, whether you believe europeans are superior or inherently flawed or evil in some way, is, well, it's stupid.
>>273019
>>273019
European cultural development, climate, geography and other such things...
And no "Original cultures" (which eventually loses it's ground since arguing say modern Egypt is a direct descendant of ancient Egypt would be stupid) aren't more advanced or better, they simply are the cultures that developed in the most suitable areas for early human development: close to major rivers and with lots of arable lands. And then civilization spreads from there.
>>273402
Of course it is. By the time there is even the first mention of a Japanese kingdom Confucius has already been dead 600 years. Japan was only colonized by Koreans in 300 BC and had its first kingdom in 50AD. They also mostly copied the culture of China and Korea.
>>273026
No not really. Mao killed everything that made ancient china great. The only ones who retained a sense of class are the taiwanese and Hong Kong'ese.
Mainland china is filled with sociopaths and street shitters. They also can't into infrastructure, instead opting to cutting corners which is why we have weekly videos of chinamen being eaten by escalators or beheaded by faulty elevators.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1q0jtnDQ40
>>273924
>No not really. Mao killed everything that made ancient china great
It's not Mao it's Qing which failed to modernize and replace archaic feudalism.
>>273956
No you fuck off
>>273026
>Confucius, Laozi, Mozi, Mencius
literally all appeals to authority and fallacious arguments by analogy. But m-m-m-mm-m-muh sage kings!!!!!
The Legalists were literally the only halfway decent school that came out of China's piece of shit philosophical history.
>>273956
>The ROC would eventually have succeeded had not the Japanese invaded and had Mao stayed out of politics
But the Japanese invaded and Mao hadn't stayed out of politics...
>>273972
>literally all appeals to authority and fallacious arguments by analogy. But m-m-m-mm-m-muh sage kings!!!!!
>Mozi
>Laozi
>sage kings
>appeals to authority
>fallacious arguments
u wot m8
>>273019
I wish I could get a job shitposting about China on the internet.
>>274005
If you're willing to move to North Korea and shitpost about how Korea invented everything you can.
>>273924
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1q0jtnDQ40
>live into adulthood
>get offed by a fucking escalator or elevator
Christ, that must really be a massive downer.
>>273019
There is a lot to be said for inventing gunpower and not weaponizing it. If China was less concerned with agricultural production than all other industries, then perhaps they would be in charge of the world.
>>274100
>There is a lot to be said for inventing gunpower and not weaponizing it.
But they did weaponize it.
China invented guns in the Song dynasty. They had muskets in the Ming dynasty.
>>274129
The chinese weren't much for change. At least if their wuxia literature is anything to go by.
>>274129
Have you heard of something called the Manchu conquests you ignorant buffoon?
>>274100
>There is a lot to be said for inventing gunpower and not weaponizing it.
>things_that_didn't_happen.jpg
You know, the first application of gunpowder in its very infancy was military.
Because it didn't go BANG, but Fwooosh. It made stuff burn easier and the Chinese used it for incendiaries initially. The Bombs & Guns came a century later.
>>273485
This.
>>274258
Don't forget Lemuria, Atlantis, and Hyperborea.
>>273019
>implying Euros weren't the big dick kings of south east asia 400 years ago
>implying the Euros didn't subjugate a fucking hemisphere while the Chinese sat with their thumbs up their asses
>implying that China's self centered world view didn't result in their meteoric downfall when the European powers had enough of their shit in the 19th century
>implying that Chinese guns and muskets were at all comparable to European howitzers, mortars, or rifles
>implying Euro naval architecture and extensive use of cannon at sea wasn't innovative
>implying China's stifling government didn't discourage innovation or development of new techniques
Get fucked gook. Enjoy your $0.50
http://www.jstor.org/stable/30033648?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
>>273019
>invented everything
>weren't able to use their inventions to conquer the World
kek, is there more cucΠΊed nation?
>>274289
Edgy post, kiddo.
>>273956
The ROC would have also succeeded if Dr. Sun didn't fucking die at the absolute most crucial point of modern Chinese history, but look how things turned out.
>>274346
When you have everything you could want in one place why the fuck would you go anywhere else?
>As you can see, the Greek civilization was not an ORIGINAL civilization like the Chinese civilization
Burning all the history books doesn't make you original, Qin.
I stand with thee, brother.
>>273019
i believe ice cube invented western civilization
>>274440
RIP Dr. Sun
>>275309
this isn't funny, stop
>>273019
>>273021
>>273024
>>273026
>chinaboos
>>273026
Haha watch more anime you faggggggg
>>273019
Found who this guy works for. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party
Go back to your communist Chinese overlords and tell them you have failed in your attempt to curropt this fine board.
>>275789
/pol/ wishes they could be paid 50 cents per shitpost.
I take it this is /his/' 'PROUD ASIAN COSPLAYER'?
>>273192
Chinese siege engineers were used by the Mongols in their invasion of Europe in 1240-1242.
Chinese were the first to get into europe.
>>273026
Of the Chinese philosophers i've read:
>Kong Futzi
Pretty much just "don't be a dumbass, stability of the government is better than challenge or change."
His stuff really only makes any sense as a protest of the unstable political climate of China during his Childhood. His ideas have no relevancy to the modern day and his teachings are basically why China failed to innovate or conquer.
>Laotzi
Literally meme tier. The Dao is basically "how to sound like your saying a bunch of important philosophical shit without actually saying anything." The actual content of his message is essentially, "don't do shit so you nothing is your fault."
>Menicus
Basically just restated Kong Futzi's ideas and then added the incredibly shitty legalist twist. There is a reason the Qin dynasty lasted only two Emperors and it was this idiots ideas basically.
>>276058
>legalist
>shit
>legalist
>shit
>>276074
>There is a reason the Qin dynasty lasted only two Emperors
If your ideology is too hard core for the Chinese (a people often compared to ants for their hive mind mentality), then it's probably shit.
It's the same Confucius, Mencius readings that held them back. It's absurd for anyone to think that China would have beaten Europe.
Also anyone who claims that during the Song Dynasty, industrial revolution could have taken place is a fucking idiot.
>>276108
I would argue that if the Song had been politically stable and had not been fighting a bunch of loosing wars, China would have industrialized before Europe. Not by much, mind you, but I could see it happening.
>Europe copied all this shit and used it to their benefit to become the predominant power of the world for several centuries
>somehow this makes them shit
This is like that /pol/tumblr/ mentality, 'JEWS/MEN ARE EVIL/STUPID BECAUSE THEY CONTROL THE WORLD'
Well they must be better at something than you then.
>>276058
>>276098
>Confucianism held them back meme.
>His ideas have no relevancy to the modern day and his teachings are basically why China failed to innovate or conquer.
China failed to innovate due to the Middle Kingdom Philosophy which is pretty dismissive of foreigners. That idea is old as fuck and predated Confucius although there was no China yet and instead of Middle Kingdom it was called "Huaxia" Philosophy.
Confucianism prized education and innovations to make a state's & its people's life fucking easier. A lot of the great civic projects of China like the Grand Canal were products of Confucianism.
China failed to conquer because it-doesnt-need-to.jpg. Why would a country the size of Western Europe that already has everything it needs do that?
>>276112
Capitalism is something that seemed impossible for the Chinese just a hundred years ago. There was no such thing as free trade but rather you pay tribute to the Emperor. Sure the GDP was extremely high back in Song Dynasty but the monetary system was still at its basic level and caste system would have prevented the industrial revolution.
>>276138
>caste system would have prevented the industrial revolution.
>Imperial China
>Caste system
>>276127
I agree. δΈ means middle. Lack of competition was a big cause. However, I do like to point out that in terms of civil engineering, I do think Ancient Rome surpassed even Qing Dynasty
>>276152
Qing Dynasty didn't do much Civil Engineering? They merely maintained what the Ming already had. Torn down some even (i.e. some City Walls).
That said, Rome's roads are pretty impressive, but this doesn't mean Chinks don't have their own schtick. Their walls are stronger for one thing (Stone dressed rammed earth walls > pure stone walls), and they created artificial rivers to connect the shipping lanes of Yangtze & Huanghe. Which is still used by modern shipping today.
china > west
>>273192
The only reason China didn't continue its voyages was because of constant raids by barbarous sunniggers.
>>278460
Excuses.
If they were so great, some barbarians shouldn't have been a problem. But they weren't, so warfare was far more damaging to them than it proved to be to europeans.
>>278623
>Implying steppe nomads weren't the terror of every single civilization in Eurasia
Europe got its shit pushed in by these steppe nomads on more than one occasion but were spared the full terror and wrath of these peoples largely because Europe for most of its history was an undeveloped dirt poor shit hole with little loot to be had.
>>278623
>If they were so great, some barbarians shouldn't have been a problem
Except those Barbarians are pretty militarily competent. And numerous.
>>276168
>Supperior Walls
>Implying Chinese used concrete like the Romans
The chinks had magnesium concrete in the 1000s BC and failed to take advantages age of it.
>>279401
>Implying Roman concrete is better than/same in engineering as Modern one
>Implying wall strength = simply making it as hard as fuck as possible.
Roman walls of Constantinople were reduced by medieval artillery.
Chinese stone dressed rammed earth walls from the 1100's took direct hits by modern Jap artillery and still stood.
Chinese built their walls' core via rammed earth: meaning you lay on layer of wet clay then have a thousand guys pound it flat. Repeat layer after layer. Pretty labor intensive/requires shitloads of people. And then they dressed this with stone.
The end result is what is basically an "armored" elongated hill, with a hard shell and a hard-yet-absorbent earthwork core.
So its less like a typical Classical/Medieval European Stone wall, and more like those squat 1500's Star fort earthen walls.
>>274662
(Different anon here)
Because you can never have enough of what you want, especially markets and spoils of war.
>>276123
>comparing /pol/ and tumblr.
Don't even try to pretend /pol/ isn't on another higher plane of existence when compared to tumblr, even taking into account any anti-semitism.
>>279653
No you can it's called diminishing returns.
