DID THE HOLOCAUST REALLY HAPPEN?
While it may have happened, the numbers are HIGHLY exaggerated.
I'm pretty sure many here can accept that it did happen, but not at such an exaggerated scale. There were many other factors that lead to so many Jews being killed, and even then 6 million is a bit much.
>>27137
All history before 1970s was faked in order to control humans.
>>27170
What about the Vietnam War?
>>27156
>This Fucking image.
You fucking nigger this is the most easily debunked piece of holocaust denial ever, those numbers list survivors who died AFTER the war
>>27189
Some folks were born.
Yes, but figures are slightly inflated , the real issue are the other victims often go ignored
When you think holocaust you think Jews; not Soviet POWs, Soviet civilians, the disabled, the mentally handicapped, the homosexual, and snginre who didn't fit into the Nazi perfect vision
>>27190
Sure thing bud.
No
>>27190
What a retarded theory
>>27186
That paper is to do with Oranienburg concentration camp, one of the original detention and work camps, not an extermination camp, it was shutdown by 1936 too
>>27137
>>>/pol/
If the holocaust didn't happen then where did all the Jews go?
>>27253
Technically, the events in question are old enough to be history, and relatively unrelated to politics or current events.
>>27137
Not exactly
>>27276
here
This thread is one of the reasons why /his/ was a bad idea to begin with.
>>27283
yeah but this is obviously a /pol/ bait thread.
>>27276
Space
>>27137
Yes.
>>27276
If the holocaust didn't happen, why didn't East German Academics use this to support their model of a "Puppet Hitler?"
>>27298
>>27301
Let's not discuss things that we don't agree with! Yeah!
>>27137
Yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsy6BvNKj28
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_trials
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Solution
http://www.nizkor.org/features/qar/qar00.html
How many times are we going to have this thread?
Surely, the hundred thousand eye-witnesses must all be lying.
straight from the horses mouth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AFhwwgL-94
"During the time of my struggle for power it was in the first instance the Jewish race which only received my prophecies with laughter when I said that I would one day take over the leadership of the State, and with it that of the whole nation, and that I would then among many other things settle the Jewish problem. Their laughter was uproarious, but I think that for some time now they have been laughing on the other side of their face. Today I will once more be a prophet: If the international Jewish financiers in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into a world war, then the result will not be the Bolshevization of the earth, and thus the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe! "
~ t. hitler
January 30, 1939
Speech in front of the Reichstag
Blini thread?
>>27294
>Jewish Population of Palestine in 1931 : 175K
>In 1947 : 630K
LEAN MATH STORMNIGGER
>>27355
best cat coming through
>>27342
>the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe!
B-but he just meant that he was going to send them to Madagascar!
>>27340
>>27301
Even so, you'll rarely if ever see anyone present information contrary to their understanding of the period, or attempt to debunk their ideas in a normal /pol/ thread. It might actually lead to some interesting discussion -if both sides acknowledge each other and don't resort to arrows to other boards and websites, that is.
Can someone post evidence that it DID HAPPEN?
>>27190
Any proof? That's all I'm interested in, and this thread is making a pretty strong argument so far. Color me convinced. I'm definitely looking more into this.
>>27342
That's just Jewish lies. Hitler's original speech said nothing of that. It's been altered by cultural marxists.
Take the redpill
>>27137
Okay, actual /his/coolers, if you want to keep this board up, I suggest one of you takes up the minorly monumental task of preparing an inforgraphic with actually verified historical sources and urls, that can shut down the vast majority of /pol/ bait and stormfront shitposting. Holocaust denialism will just keep coming up, and you're not going to stop it because /pol/fags will just spout muh freespeech despite not realizing it's not that we're offended, we just believe them to be historically wrong and harming discourse. Is anyone up for this?
>>27405
>1943
To be fair, its pretty difficult to investigate any German camp when you haven't even occupied any yet
>>27328
> implying /pol/ is not one huge circle jerk
>>27391
>Novelist explains that autobiographical novel is semi-fictionalized.
I remember when Tim O'Brien screwed up and revealed the Vietnam War never happened.
>>27407
More proofs?
>>27422
Holy shit back to stormfront
>>27448
obvious sarcasm
Why did not a single nazi contest the charges brought against them in court? Every single instance that I know of they simply said they were following orders? Surely if they had not committed any crimes they would try to disprove the claims of the prosecutors, right?
8 million nazis were interviewed in a year after world war II, and thousands gave detailed accounts of their roles in the holocaust. If naziboos are to believed, EVERY SINGLE ONE of them were made under torture. If this is the case why has not a SINGLE nazi come out in the decades after world war II and recanted their testimony?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQjNs-Ght8s
>>27459
You can find people who'd actually say that with a straight face.
>>27459
Poe's law is in effect with stormtards
>>27394
No it wouldn't. For the same reason an interesting discussion would not happen out of someone claiming the Invasion of South Korea didn't happen.
It would just be stupid.
>ITT: Trying to debate one of the most documented events in human history with infographics made in stormfront
So far 0 evidence that it DID happen, I'll side with the deniers for now.
>>27427
> anyone up for this?
workin on it
>>27459
>Obvious sarcasm
Hello newfriend. That post is not distinguishable as obvious sarcasm or even just sarcasm on 4chan. We have a sizable population of retards who actually believe that, word for word.
>>27153
You're supposed to provide proof
>>27318
LMAOOOOO
Some people really wrote this ROFL
Fucking americans man
>>27497
really?
>>27422
>Take the redpill
the irony here being you boobs want the robot army on your side.
>>27496
Could you please post some of that documentation?
>>27441
Wow look at all those gassed Jews, there must be about 6 million. That's all the evidence I needed, thanks anon.
Did the 1958 FIFA World Cup really take place in Sweden?
>using the Institute of Historical Review as a source
>>27137
You know, I think I'll repost my thoughts on this matter from the last thread, in response to this pic.
>1. Why would the Nazi's want to kill Jews?
An excellent question, one that has been asked fore 70 years. While the decision to wipe the entire Jewish ethnic group from the face of the earth may never be fully answered, as many of the central figures of the Nazi heirarchy are dead, we do know that they did not begin their persecution with the intent to exterminate. When the Nazi's came to power they started to persecuting them in relatively small ways, such as IDing them and requiring them to wear the gold star. In the beginning it seemed they were more focused on disenfranchising them and excluding them from certain sectors of German society. At one point they attempted to exile them to nearby states, and later to Palestine when they had conquered said states. The exact reason the leaders of the Nazi Party abandoned this approach isn't fully clear, but could have been motivated by a desperation on their part, or the feeling they were sufficiently secure in their grip on power to pull it off without consequences, I'm not sure. In any case labor was hardly a resources Germany was severely lacking at that point. Their factories were getting bombed and they were scrambling for the resources to use in them, but they had enough workers for their needs, slave or otherwise.
>2. Why did they use such inefficient methods? Bullets are cheaper than gas.
I actually stopped and laughed at this. Despite what impression you might get from hollywood or vidya, bullets are really fucking expensive. A single 5.56 round that is the default bullet of infantry throughout NATO costs something like $1.50 today, and Germans were using all kinds of specialty rounds that caused hell for their logistics. Poison gasses, pound for pound, are way way cheaper for an industrial killing machine, that's half the reason the Germans started using it.
>>27533
See? You're just a typical mad tumblr/redditfag who cannot actually debate on this subject with PROOF and you resort to namecalling. What a coward.
>>27542
What's so shocking about this?
It's like modern Britons who refuse to ever vote Conservative because of how the evil Thatcher destroyed their parents and grandparents, and to this day they get angry whenever Conservatives are mentioned
>>27530
what about the Einsatzgruppen, what was their role during the second world war?
>>27542
>The Globe and Mail
>thousands of testimonies from every side involved, including Germans involved
>most researched subject in modern history
>almost every historian who's not pressured by ideology (like in Iran) agrees Holocaust did happen and that millions were killed
>most of dissidents simply disagree some minor issues, not that it happened
>tens of thousands of works, shitload of primary sources
>average /pol/tard refutes it all because he watched one YT video
Now seriously, get a fucking grip.
>>27496
Yet there is none of that documentation in this thread
>>27554
>now we have /pol/ tripshits
Fuck sake this board is doomed
>>27565
The other half of that reason was to dehumanize the experience for the men actually doing the killing. Ruthlessly gunning down entire villages of innocent women and children proved to be emotionally trying for many soldiers, some of whom knew their victims personally. I recall one report of a group of soldiers participating in such a massacre actually recognizing one of the corpses as a women who ran a cinema they liked to frequent. Having gas chambers only required one man to flip a switch without ever seeing the condemned, and killing so many of them he became jaded about what he was doing. Far more efficient, hence it's application to millions as an industry.
>3. How are we to believe such unreliable witness testimony?
Well, firstly because there's such an extreme abundance of it. Corroboration is a thing, and there are so many innumberable, independently verified cases that have come forward that I can't even come up with a description of how idiotic and biased one would have to be to question it with a straight face. Seriously. Even if you discount the Nuremburg testimonies, the survivors with numbers on their wrists, and the soldiers who found the camps, there is still an overwhelming amount of evidence. Paton forced an entire town to march the camps and see what was done there just to stop this kind of delusion, you can take a goddamn TOUR of the gas chambers today, and still you claim there is a lack of evidence. How much do you fucking need?
>>27565
This, and also, it's fucking hard to shoot dozens of kids and women a day. It brutalized the soldiers, even if they were indoctrinated and picked for such tasks.
>>27584
I saw 0 of all that you speak of in this thread so far.
>>27601
>4. Only Soviets found the death camps, are you really going to believe them?
Blatantly false. Numerous Allied armies encountered death camps on their march East. As mentioned above Patton found and went through much effort to document the Ohrdruf camps. It is true that the retreating Nazis attempted to disassemble the most incriminating pieces of evidence in the Western camps, but not all to the same extent and the second hand evidence of their operation was prolific. Heaps of emaciated corpses, mass graves, etc, etc.
>5. Why are only the Jews remembered, and other supposed victims forgotten?
Partly because no other ethnic groups were targeted so widely in the operation, but also because many Zionists have a vested interest in making sure everyone knows about what happened to them and have so many avenues in English speaking academia/media to do so. Yes, /pol/, you were right in part about this one, I'll give you that. The holocaust has become a core aspect of Israels founding story, and part of the justification they give for fighting so fiercely for it. Also many Jews high up in American media today. If there were a significant number of Gypsies or Slavs in the buisness I garuntee you we'd hear more of their story, they certainly talk about among themselves often enough.
>6. Why is the Holocaust so much more important than other genocides?
Because it was an advanced, sophisticated culture at the heart of the Western world that perpetrated it. Nobody quite believed a Christian, western country could do something like that, and completely sank the prominent idea at the time that science and progress would inevitably improve humanity in every way. Progress alone did nothing to weed out humankinds bottomless capacity for cruelty, so instead western society took the holocaust as a lesson we could never, ever afford to forget. Hence the reason it comes up all the time.
>mfw a /pol/tard thinks 6 million jews died in the gas chambers and no other methods of killing were used
>>27542
My supervisor did some research on this, it's a really interesting subject. And lots of research on the Dutch famine too.
It's epigenetics, not genetics though
>>27579
Sauce on this boy
>>27591
No, I've never been to /pol/. In fact, I called out their shit in the same post but your retarded leftist ass assumed I am pol/ because I also called out your shit.
I just want to see what you have to say about those posts. But again, they're not being refuted. Waiting for your ad hominem response.
>mfw a /pol/tard thinks a gas chamber has to be airtight to kill someone, when gas was used in open air to kill soldiers during the first world war.
>>27584
Yeah but look at all these red lines I drew in paint
>>27625
>>24018
>>24296
You want the initial reason Nazi's went after the Jews? My bad, assumed it was common knowledge. Short of it they were used as a target for some of the hate that helped unify and rally Germany behind the Nazis. They were richer than average Germans in completely crashed economy, they were more educated and a many of the hated communists were Jews. It was and easy connection to make. Then things sort of snowballed from there.
>7. Why is it illegal to doubt the holocaust? All free thinking societies should be free to express anything!
Didn't know this could land you in jail anywhere, but the reason everybody abhors the holocaust denialism is because of the statement above. I know it's legal to do where I live, but the reason it's taboo everywhere in the english speaking world is because people fear they could one day they could do something so appalling.
>>27276
hid under the earth
>>27636
some russian girl from the website called only tease or something
>mfw /pol/tards will never talk about the 7 year supply of Zyklon B ordered every month by major deathcamps in 1942-43
>>27621
Because you don't want to see it.
Read fucking Wikipedia article, article on Holocaust is extremely well written and cited.
Just Google it.
But thing is, you DON'T WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.
You want to force people to adopt your insane view.
>>27579
Eradicating Communists, including commissars and hunting partizans or other 'behind enemy lines' groups.
>>27499
Godspeed anon, /lit/ wishes you the best
>>27591
You should try to debunk their points instead of screaming /pol/! every time you see an argument from there.
>>27668
>9 leaders of the communist revolution were Jewish
>Now you might, more or less, know why Jews were later on despised in Germany.
>9 leaders
>9
>Now you might, more or less, know why Jews were later on despised in Germany.
Do you retards even read the shit you write? This is hilarious.
Oh for fuck's sake, all these stormfront macros.
>>27530
There are many evidences that could fill entire books, but that seems to me quite striking is that Nazi criminals did not deny the crimes. Neither the great leaders who were risking their lives in the Nuremberg trials, and in more than 20 trials before and after Nuremberg, neither the witnesses nor the participants in this systematic genocide, and its defenders, dared to say that the crime was nonexistent or even exaggerated, let alone to try to prove that point.
In short, those who committed the Holocaust admitted it.
>but muh torture
They agreed that the extermination program had happened because there were proofs. Incontrovertible, strong and fresh, so that their warm defense was that "they weren't aware of what was happening" (words of Albert Speer, Alfred Rosenberg used the same defense), or it was not their responsibility (Hans Frank said all extermination camps under its responsibility in Poland was in charge of Himmler), or tried to avoid proposing "humanitarian" measures such as mass sterilization (Wilhelm Stuckart) or that did not learn until Posen speech of Himmler in 1943 (August Frank, economic administrator Reich until 1943), or were powerless over the situation despite being very powerful (Hermann Goering), and even that "any personal code of ethics must surrender to the total character of war "(Karl Brandt) http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/nazi-germany/nazi-leaders/karl-brandt/ ... and some people like Irma Grese that after recognizing its role in selecting prisoners for the gas chambers, transferred the responsibility to Himmler.
Notable are the testimonies of those who were in charge of the camps, as Rudolph Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz from 1940 to 1943. In his statement, he detailed how he experimented with various poisons for killing more efficiently kill up to 2,000 people per hour (problem was what was burning, he said).
http://mailstar.net/Hoss-Memoirs.html
I could go on if you like.
Only 4 million jews died in the holocaust
prove me wrong
>>27713
They don't listen, I've tried on /pol/ before. They just want to circlejerk their retarded macros and scream JIDF KIKE NIGGER if you post anything against them.
>>27711
>mfw /pol/tards think reports sent back to himler's headquarters declaring entire regions or countries "judenfrei" means that partisans have been dealt with.
ITT tripfags, fatpill plebbitors, stormweenies
cancer has found this board fast
>>27212
the camps in east germany were inspected by the reds
or the ones in croatia that were inspected by the yugoslav army
>>27690
You do know the Nazi party attempted an armed uprising in Bavaria too?
The poor oppressed National Socialists
>>27725
That's the thing, it's impossible to discuss with them, they have 1000 pictures saved, and all of them are full of bullshit.
So he just posts picture, you try to disprove it, and then he posts another and you're too tired to respond to his idiocies so he ''wins''.
And then he repeats this little game of his over and over.
That's why Holocaust discussion should be fucking banned. It attracts retards who ruin discussion for everyone.
>>27708
>mfw you won't sauce anything of what you're spamming
>mfw no face
>stormfags demand a reliable proof
>themselves present unsourceable pics made in windows paint
This is just sad actually....
>A single 5.56 round that is the default bullet of infantry throughout NATO costs something like $1.50 today
Wrong. The average price of me, a Civilian buying this around comes out to about 37 cents each bullet.
>>27625
Good post.
Holocaust is relevant because it wasn't some commies killing millions of people through incompetence.
>>27727
Honestly please go on, those stormfronters aren't going to stop posting macros
>>27217
You know what, fine: I'll go ahead and try and treat this as a matter of honest engagement. You have 21 Questions, that I'm going to treat as honest Questions. I'm sure you'll be happy to have these laid to rest.
1) A variety of factors, the most obvious of which is that the annihilation of a people is an extremely intensive task. While the prisoners were awaiting annihilation, there was an effort to extract as much labor as possible from the prisoners, both for the war effort and the officials own personal enrichment.
This also is based on misinformation. Elie Wiesel was not a prisoner for several years. He was deported from Hungary in 1944, and freed in early 1945.
2) The answer is simple, and one of the most important problems in Holocaust Denial: It simply wasn't regarded as important at the time. It wasn't until the 1960s, and the Eichmann trial that the Holocaust became paramount among the Nazis crimes.
3) The camps were massive, sprawling enterprises enclosing thousands of people, working countless tasks. An infirmary would be needed to keep things orderly. As for the Brothel, it was created as a reward for the kapos, prisoners who would perform security functions on the other prisoners.
4) The Germans certainly did a lot of that. The definitive and incredibly well documented example of that is Reserve Police Battallion 101.
The general reasons are this:
Shooting people in the field is actually a lot more complicated and messy than is thought.
Soldiers maintain discipline by creating strict parameters about when and how they can apply lethal violence. The act of genocide breaks down those parameters, and with it, discipline.
Units deployed for mass executions began suffering from PTSD and alcoholism in large numbers, as well as facing increased rates of general offenses such as thieving, fighting and disrespect for officers.
>>27584
genetic fallacy
>>27710
did you just actually use WIKIPEDIA as a source for HOLOCAUST?
>arguing with jpgs, "info"graphics, and youtube videos
Board dead already?
>>27771
This. Hopefully gish galloping will be well understood and easily identified on this board.
>>27772
>mfw naziboos have an incredible burden of proof but then freely use sources such as David Irving, and the IHR to support their claims when such sources and their research have been deemed in a court of law to be rubbish (see Irving v Penguin Books Ltd)
>>27660
I'm pretty sure the point they're making is that Gas being let out like that is relatively dangerous for those outside, and thus not something that sounds like a good idea.
>>27820
kek the JIDF has already infiltrated this board
>>27820
He told you to go read the citation list
>>27822
Well of course, that requires the lowest possible effort for permavirgins.
>>27820
did you just ignore the part of his post which mentions sources
>>27838
Geee I wonder why
>>27838
>David Irving
>>27820
And why exactly is Wikipedia bad, if article is well cited?
Can you explain why without using ''Jewish propaganda'' bullshit arguments?
>>27604
This is something that needs to be said, actually machine gunning civilians en masse was pretty brutal on the troops doing so, suicides in those units were quite high. The Gas solution lessened the psychological burden on the murders.
>>27779
Yeah that was a mistake on my part, closer to 50 cents. Point being anytime you unload a full automatic weapon it's going to be costly. Lining people up in trenches and hosing them with lead simply isn't an economically efficient means of genocide, and we all know the Nazi's were sticklers for efficiency.
60,000,000 people died in world War 2. That was 2.5% of the population of the world. Encyclopedia Britannica estimated the world's jewish population at 6,200,000 in 1900. Next get a calculator and multiply 365 times 5. That gives us 1825 days in 5 yrs. Then we divide 6000000 by 1825. That gives us 3287 people to be exterminated every day without taking one day off. Today they say there were 6 death camps. Auschwitz had 15 cremation ovens. So we will use that number for ALL the camps. These ovens held one body at a time. 15 ovens times 6 camps is 90 ovens total. So 90 cremations could take place at once time in all. The top of the line crematorium today can cremate a body in 2 hours. Let's say that in the 1930s the Germans had it down and could duplicate todays best. So we multiply 90 times 12. That gives us 1080 possible cremations per day without wasting a second. When you subtract 1080 cremations from the mandatory 3287 deaths per day and we have 2207 bodies that didn't get cremated. If you multiply 2207 bodies times 1825 days in 5 years and you have 4,027,775 bodies that didn't get cremated. Where are the bodies?
>>27697
Who photoshopped these? Find some reference to all those images that suggests it was photoshopped by people intending to cover it up, rather than people producing those to push the narrative that all images are faked
You can't just post shit like this, regardless about your beliefs, otherwise this place is going to turn to shit
>>27859
You can literally dispute anything with ''conspiracy'' theory.
Like, Finland doesn't exist. It's just a Jewish conspiracy to make us think it exists.
Did any of you every visit Finland? See, no such place.
All information on internet and all ''Finns'' you see are simply fabrication.
You can't prove to me this isn't Jewish conspiracy.
>>27859
>court is jooz
>if i put gee in front of my obvious shilling everyone will just accept how obviously true my blatant lie is
ayyy
>>27859
>mfw naziboos think that all contrary opinions and all evidence against the nazis are part of some grand conspiracy pulled off by 0.12% of the world's population widely scattered throughout the world.
>>27340
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtlPlZGvgY0
Most of them aren't lying, they were just told that when they got separated from their families that their families were gassed. The families were simply transported to other camps or parts of Europe. The camps were shitty, but the Germans made an attempt at making them humane, with orchestras, hospitals, plays, etc.
>>27774
Vice versa too.
It doesn't end.
>>27797
> samefag
> everybody likes tripfags
plz leave
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtlPlZGvgY0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rygcAoiw_lI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruD4I4f5LkQ
>>27727
>>27793
Proud was also Fritz Klein, a physician at Bergen-Belsen, who said "My Hippocratic Oath tells me extirpates the gangrenous appendix in the body. The Jews are the gangrenous appendix of mankind. Therefore the Excise".
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/463589355363082978/
And there is the declaration of Alfred Trzebinski, supervisor of cruel medical experiments, that the children who were executed "Jews only" as if that would lower the atrocity.
In 1961, when the head of the deportation of Jews, Adolf Eichmann was captured in Argentina and brought to trial, he explicitly said he did not dispute the facts of the Holocaust, but he had acted simply "following orders".
He also admitted after trying to deny it, that in 1945 he said: "I'll jump into my grave laughing because the feel that five million human beings in my consciousness, is for me a source of extraordinary satisfaction."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/genocide/eichmann_01.shtml
Later, already condemned, in a private correspondence he regretted that they had not fulfilled the mission to kill Jews 10.3 million, the total number in occupied Europe.
The same happened in other specific judgments as 1996 Erich Priebke, who accepted his crimes as captain of the SS in Rome, but shied away from the responsibility also saying that "he was following only orders" and just in 2012 with the Hungarian Nazi Laszlo Csatary occurred the same was not his defense "did not happen", but "following orders".
I always thought the whole "blame everything on jews" was just a stupid meme. But recently I've started reading about the immense constrol of central banks, and who is behind the banks. On top of them all is the Rothschild family.
They control every single Central Bank on the planet, except two: Cuba and North Korea.
2000 that number was 7: Cuba, NK, Afghanistan, Lybia, Sudan, Iraq and Iran.
Is it really coincidence that exactly those countries have been in all Media for the past 15 years?
The leaders of Iraq, Sudan, Afghanistan and Lybia were taken down by the West (America and Britain), the puppets of the Rothschild. Iran was bribed with the atomic deal and increasing tensions with the West scared them of opposing the Jew. Cuba is now entering deals with the US and NK has been in the news lately as well.
The Rothschilds fortune, estimated between 500 and 700 TRILLION dollars, comes primarely from plunging all nations into debt. They control the money, the control the gold, they control the governments. They control or have deals with almost all banks everywhere, which in turn have control over the media. The reason why you see so much leftist propaganda in the media is because they orchestrate it. Leftist politics lead to debt and money printing, the business of the Rothschild.
Is it coincidence that Isreal is strangely backed by the US, for seemingly no reason?
Is it coincidence that Nazi Germany lost WW2?
Is it coincidence that every politician who aims to reduces the national debt (Lincoln, Kennedy, ...) or challenges the banks (Haider in this country) is assasinated?
Is it coincidence that every hot spot in the world right now is next to Europe? They want refugees to come here, to break Europe and the Euro. They want to create a single world currency. A drug on which everyone is dependant on.
>>27900
That's their sick logic, because they are mostly anti-social people who don't know how people interact and how world works.
In their mind, Jews, a persecuted group of 16 million, still hated in many parts of world, manages to control every court, every academician, every government, every media. They seriously think this is possible.
Though it's true Jews have disproportionate influence in media kek.
>>27933
I used to be afraid of that shit, but is there an actual source for their influence?
>>27946
Don't forget all the doctors too.
Visit /pol/, they literally think anyone who does a medical procedure is Jewish too.
>>27932
We have the testimony of the perpetrators, the testimony of the victims (survivors, some prominent as Primo Levi and Elie Wiesel, but mostly of thousands more), the testimony of the soldiers who liberated the camps, the gas chambers, invoices industrial designs and crematoria of Topf and Sons to burn thousands of bodies a day, the disappearance of millions of Jews and Gypsies of Europe, the declared Nazi attitude towards those considered "inferior" ... data to bore. Conclusive data. In fact, the Nazi genocide is one of the best documented crimes in history, partly because of bureaucratic thoroughness of the Nazis, who recorded in documents carefully who entered the camps, who was destined to die as a slave worker and who was exterminated immediately, belongings, etc.
>The Holocaust: A History of the Jews of Europe During the Second World War
Is probably the best one-volume history
>The Destruction of the European Jews
Is also good, but it's worth noting that it was published in the 60s and is missing on some recent historiography
On that note,
>Rethinking the Holocaust
Is good if you're interested in the recent stuff, although it assumes a good general knowledge of the period already.
>>27933
>for seemingly no reason
Only if you don't know shit about geopolitics.
Also, Jewish lobby is strong in USA. But reasons are mostly American interest.
Israel is/was American proxy in Middle East.
>>27929
Wow. What a great picture. Consider me 'redpilled' now.
This thread was predicted
>>27946
You'd be surprised how much in common /pol/autists have in common with SJWs. For starters, both of them unironically believe in ridiculous conspiracy theories that the world is controlled by a small group of people (Jews/The Patriarchy) and how they are always the 'victims' of their trickery. It's quite sad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kl9zbpv6ukh
>>27988
hmu
>>27897
I live on the border of the area marked as "Finland" on most maps.
You'd need to be stupid to believe a made up ethnolingual group not even indigenous to the area would have a nation state between two larger Indo-European populations.
>>27988
I'm not surprised. It's two sides of the same coin.
Irrational people with mental issues.
>>27933
Except there's no supporting evidence for this at all. The Rothschilds are just a get out of jail free card for whenever a stormfag is confronted with any of the countless non-Jews with huge amounts of power. They just scream MUH ROTHSCHILDS and any politician, banker, CEO, business owner, or other authority is now conveniently a Jewish puppet. Let's of course just ignore the fact that even if the Rothschild were the power behind everything, that would be the fucking Rothschilds, not "Jews."
I left 4chan for a while, came back, marvel at the new announcement about the creation of /his/, carefully read the rules about "no /pol/" on the sticky and this is literally the first thread I read. Good job, OP. The holocaust of my sides did happen at least.
Unless holocaust denialism is ban, this board will be over-run with it imo due to the demographics of certain parts of this site and their crank idea of history & them seeing this as a good place to "troll/convert/redpill" people
>>27642
don't worry, the naziboos will ignore any and all claims contrary to their ideas. That is the only way holocaust denialists can operate
>>27987
Every time someone asked for a /his/ board, the inevitable rampant Holocaust denialism was always the primary argument against it.
We should really just ban all discussion of the subject. It draws in so many obnoxious /pol/fags that it's simply absurd.
>>28039
lel +1 posting point tavorisch
>>28020
Rothschilds are pretty powerful family no doubt.
But they are fucking family, not hive-mind. There's hundreds of Rotschilds.
>>28044
>holocaust denialism is ban
Which should be done because of the rampant faggotry it causes, and not the idea itself. I hope you realize that.
>>28044
Maybe just only allow Holocaust denialism on /pol/. Don't let the loonies out of the asylum.
>>28074
Faggotry is inherent to Holocaust denialism, though.
>>28044
It's equal parts /pol/ and tumblr/reddit/SJW ruining this board.
Personally I've seen far more people claiming stuff is triggering them over inane shit than seen anyone talk about Jews irrationally.
>>27974
Unbiased authors when?
>>28044
No, I say we keep these threads. They always get BTFO by facts. The only thing they have going for them are some absurd and painfully easy to refute paint macros made in stormfront.
>>28074
"rampant faggotry"
ayy lmao
I don't like holocaust denialism because it's bullshit, you homophobic loser
>>28074
Honestly I agree with this and I've said so in /qa/ before, banning holocaust denial is a measure to prevent this board getting overrun and quality plummeting
>>28110
Literally being so 4channed that you can only separate the world into spheres of tumblr, reddit, SJW and /pol/
>>28139
Yes, but then they just reappear in the next thread about the Holocaust. It just keeps going around in circles. This topic has been discussed to hell and back on 4chan already and nothing has changed.
>>28153
NOT ALLOWED TO DISCUSS OUR PRECIOUS HISTORY STORY THAT DEFINITELY HAPPENED LIKE THE JEWS SAID NO LIES AT ALL OR GET TURNED INTO A LAMPSHADE GOY
Lmao @ the weak arguments for banning holocaust denialism. "Only cuz we get over-run" etc. Yeah that's a factor, a significant one. The other factor is that it's bullshit. Conceding the former and not the latter is giving the stormfags a conciliatory handjob.
>>28153
I'm pretty sure /his/ will die down a lot within a week, like what happened with /biz/.
>>278005
5) This isn't all that surprising. The Third Reich was a a tangled, lawless mess that worked on the principle of 'working towards the fuhrer'. That is, rather than waiting for orders from above, officials should anticipate the fuhrer's desires and work towards those on their own initiative. As such, it would be unnecesary and uncharacteristic for the Fuhrer-State to produce a single document outlining their plans for European Jewry. I would go so far as to say the Fuhrer-State was incapable of producing such a thing.
Further tens of thousands of people would not be required for such a plan to unfold. The usual list of those involved in direct planning is reserved to a few figures within the RHSA.
6) Well, the reason is very simple: Treblinka was the 'flagship' of the murderous enterprise, but it was hardly the only part. Early estimates on the death toll in Treblinka were based on estimates of the total number of Jews killed. As per your question number 4, it became apparent as time went on that loads of people never even made it to Treblinka, they were shot on the spot.
7) The use of euphemisms is common practice in other crimes against humanity, including Soviet, Rwandan, Japanese, and Chinese crimes.
Consider for example, the use of the term 'logs' by members of Unit 731 to refer to prisoners.
It is difficult and unnerving for people, people who consider themselves civilized to talk about mass murder, especially the mass murder of old men, women, and children.
8) The bodies were not burned in pits. When they were burned, it was in the Crematorium. When the Crematoria were overfilled, these were supplemented by open air burnings.
9) This question is too vague to give a proper answer to. If you can source specific claims about Dachau and Bergen-Belsen, I can do some research and trace the pattern of those specific claims.
10) I will admit, I do not have the relevant technical expertise to answer this question.
>>28199
True but then you trigger them so they start spamming pictures from Stormfront.
/pol/tards are same shit as SJW's, moronic people not interested in any discussion.
They just want their worldview to become norm for everyone.
If you disagree, you're a Jew shill kike.
Of course, shitload of people simply troll. That's why Holocaust discussion should be banned, for both reasons.
>ITT: Nazis dindu nuffin wrong, it was the jewtriarchy
>>28137
>not because it hurts your feelings.
The only hurt feelings I have are the ones caused by the horrible fucking historiographical understanding displayed by /pol/fags in this thread.
Holocaust denialism and anyone who takes it seriously have no understanding of how to study history. So whatever they have to say on other historical subjects is undoubtably shallow and worthless.
>>27727
See >>27998
>I am now referring to the evacuation of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish people. It's one of those things that is easily said: 'The Jewish people is to be exterminated', says every party member, 'this is very obvious, it's in our program, elimination of the Jews, extermination right, we'll do it'. And then they all come along 80 million good Germans, and each one has his decent Jew. Of course the others are all swines, but this particular one is a first-class Jew. Of all those who talk like this, not one has watched, not one has stood up to it. To have endured through this and yet, apart from a few exceptions, examples human weaknesses, to have remained decent, this has made us hard.This is a glorious chapter in our history that has never been written and shall never be written.....
hmu
>>28218
Where the fuck did my first post go?
>>28192
WELL THEN MAKE THE DISCUSSION INTERESTING BY READING OTHERS ARGUMENTS INSTEAD OF CIRCLEJERKING ON YOUR IMAGEMACROS
>>27137
Even jews themselves have told me that none of them believe the official story, there is too much that doesn't add up and seems to be the biggest lie ever told.
Pretty obvious that it was a way to demonise the german population so we don't feel bad about firebombing all their cities or possible nuking them.
>>28243
Or maybe your completely wrong and do not know how to separate fact from fiction.
If you studied history at a university I bet they were very careful to keep you sucking on their kool aid.
>>28270
Jesus fuck I'm trying to refrain myself but I just can't because of the hypocrisy. I've seen shit-flinging from both sides, and NEITHER has refuted a single of the other side's arguments. /pol/ isn't refuting any arguments, and even their sourced macros aren''t being refuted.
>>27647
>being historically accurate is being a leftist
lol
>>28326
Get the fuck out faggot
I like how this thread isn't even about Holocaust anymore, it's just shit-flinging contest between Holocaust-denying boogeyman that is /pol/ and Holocaust-admitting boogeyman that is 'the joos'.
>>28311
I hope you're being sarcastic right now.
>>27987
That was a blatant troll thread where the OP stated that he didn't care if there was overwhelming proof against it because muh nazis
>>28342
So you can keep circle-jerking and acting faux-superior?
Again, you're not refuting their arguments, and they're not refuting yours. Pure and simple.
>>28326
"Refuting arguments"
>4chan
There's a reason why it should be banned. It's bad for the kids who come here & read Neo-Nazi propaganda. Most of them are poorly socialised impressionable dweebs and the last thing their chances of getting laid needs is adoption of a Neo-Nazi ideology. /pol/ and /r9k/ are a homeostasis of celibacy and betadom.
>>28326
what am I fucking trying to say you think? There is no good discussion in this thread, this is PURE cancer, I was replying to a /pol/ack faggot
>be regular on /int/ because i enjoy other cultures and history
>see there's a new history and humanities board
>wew lad, perfect
>look at most active thread
>did le holocaust really happen?????? :oooo
You fucking niggers, you ruin everything
>>28273
>Pretty obvious that it was a way to demonise the german population so we don't feel bad about firebombing all their cities or possible nuking them.
That's so fucking retarded, they didn't give a fuck about firebombing the Germans for one thing, the logic was "They bombed us, so fuck those guys".
Secondly the bulk of the Revelations above the Holocaust only surfaced after the war, where is the good in justifying something years after it happened?
>>27159
It's this shit that puts a lot of doubt into my mind about a lot of info I hear.
The other big problem is how much of it is "eye witness" stuff but it's often contradictory. Instead of getting to the truth it seems like a lot of historians (or the public at least) has just taken the most common shit as fact.
I know the holocaust happened, I just want to know to what scale it was really at, and how many of those Jewish deaths were systematic executions rather than due to sickness.
What most of this thread is is just each side posting stuff that supports their opinion. What I'd love to see is explanations for why the opposing sides materials exists besides "theyre crazy"
>>27434
It's not, there's a fuck load of arguing and even discussion there. Infact it's often better than here because you don't have people constantly whining about /pol/ over there or shitposting like you, which just ruins debate
>>28366
Actually I said there isn't overwhelming proof and muh holocaust denialism has no defence. I wouldn't even bother to posit it as a hypothetical because of >>28381
It's about us grown ups being responsible internet users for kids who are probably going to shoot up their schools if we don't set responsible guidelines
>>28409
This.
I'm going back to /brit/. Fuck this shit.
>>28326
> nobody is debating muh holohoax meme
>>28311
>If you studied history at a university I bet they were very careful to keep you sucking on their kool aid.
You fucking moron, if you had ever studies history past fucking primary school you'd know that that most of what they teach you is HOW TO STUDY history, how to do research, how to look up primary sources, how to vett those sources. What do you think a degree in history is? Some guy lecturing about established doctrine for 8 semesters? Are you fucking stupid?
>>28451
Yet, people are complaining /pol/tards aren't responding to their arguments.
Hypocrisy at it's finest. You can see that, right?
>>28462
>The Holocaust happened makes you an SJW
Yeah only radical fucking leftists believe in the holocaust am I right?
>>28428
No.
You said
"Don't give a shit.
Fuck off Nazis."
>history board is less than a day old
>scum have already started the revisionism
>>28423
>contradictory
>people who went through fucking hellish conditions don't recall what happened with 100% accuracy
>it's Jewish conspiracy!
>shitload of German officials admit it
>they were forced!
>material evidence
>falsified by Jews!
>historians working with primary sources
>forced by Jews!
What kind of argument do you want?
Do you want us to invent a time travel machine so you can go to Auschwitz to see what happened, or to Babi Yar so you can see Einsatzgruppen shooting tens of thousands of people?
You know what the dumbest thing is, Holocaust doesn't even fucking matter. More Slavs were killed by Nazis than Jews.
1/4 of Belarus was extinguished by Germans. Hundreds of villages torched to the ground, some with inhabitants.
In Yugoslavia, in one day 3000 people were shot because some German soldiers were killed by partisans.
Even if everything about Holocaust is false, Nazis committed shitload of other crimes.
You simply can't whitewash them.
I guess mainstream historiography is an SJW-JEW plot.
Funny that idiots here are admitting tumblr is more academically sophisticated than 4chan
>>28458
Universities are brainwashing factories that churn out useless graduates that can barely think for themselves let alone research anything that isn't already approved by their Marxist peers.
>>28510
No that was the third response to the thread, not me (OP).
>>28489
/pol/tards haven't made any arguments. Their pics are just fucking autistic.
>>28074
Faggotry like a trip that contributes nothing more than an anon to the board?
Yeah, I agree
>>28517
What people also don't realize is, in the chance that the Holocaust didn't happen, it doesn't really matter because it's been so engrained into history over the past century.
>>28533
i've never read a more fedora laden sentence in my life.
>>28533
As a marxist academic I can authentically refute that "marxist graduate students" are a lilliputian minority. The mainstream ideological current in academia is a kind of vague and diffuse liberal progressivism. Marxists and conservatives are both thought of as "to the right" of the mainstream institutionalised French brainrot (Foucauldian, Postcolonial, Deconstructionist).
>>28555
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgHNtzxO0y8
>>28414
>Oh no not the terror bombing stukas! oh gee this is gonna be pure chaos!
>>28533
Translation:
>I'm a right wing sociopath historical revisionist nutcase and I have to alleviate the cognitive dissonance caused by the fact that I know I'm right even though no one smart actually agrees with me
>>28536
you know, why not refute their pics instead of just arguing around it?
I'm not a /pol/ user and I believe the holocaust happened, but rather than posting ad-hominens and argumentative fallacies, I think you should actually just point out why the holohoax shit is fake.
For example if someone insisted the world was flat, the easier way of refuting him would be to say 'well look at these evidences'. Simplying calling him autistic and saying 'hurr your argument is presented throuh a picture', doesn't really take away his credence. (it takes away yours)
>>28555
>it doesn't really matter because it's been so engrained into history over the past century
There is a reason for that. There are still a marginalized group of faggots trying to say nazis dindu nuffin. Also fuck off tripfag.
>>28517
Why won't you any of you ever acknowledge the crimes done to the german people by the soviets and Americans after the war?
Oh yes that right doesn't fit in with the WE GOOD GUYS THEY BAD GUYS narrative.
>>28595
He probably has experience with what refuting their infographs achieves.
Spoilers: It's more infographs and accusations that you're JIDF
>>28489
Why fucking bother arguing with holocaust deniers always falls back to "That's just Jew propaganda".
You can bring up the literally hundreds of thousands of survivors, the photographs, the psychical evidence, the perpetrators who confessed, the German records that record it, the fucking mass graves it doesn't matter the response is always the same.
>>28533
Confirmed for never having set foot inside inside a University, or probably even a high school
>>28555
Like Rome? Rome is also pretty "engrained" in history studies
I for one think that this whole "Rome" thing is just a conspiracy by wops to try and make us feel like they're superior to us
>>28470
Check this out
>>27217
>>27800
Literally someone trying to refute someone else but it gets ignored, no one even tries to refute him everyone just keeps posting macros, complaining or telling people to go back to /pol/
There is no discussion, just circlejerk, the reason why no one tries to uphold a discussion is because no one will participate
>>28605
>The Holocaust didn't happen!
>Yes it did.
>WELL THE GERMANS HAD IT REALLY HARD TOO!
Sore loser.
>>28175
>being so triggered you miss the point entirely
>>28510
That was not OP. The 2nd and 3rd responses were the same person sockpuppeting to derail the thread into equating the notion of banning holocaust denialism with dismissal of all evidence. In all likelihood, you are the very same sockpuppet.
>>28605
>i-i-if i turn the argument onto something else, it'll be like i'm winning!
>>28612
Try not to convince the opponent, try to convince onlookers.
At the moment, the opponent is more credible than you.
>>28605
Those crimes did happen. No one denies them. You dumb fucking retard.
However, people didn't suddenly start killing Germans. Germans did suddenly start invading lands and claiming their ''living space'' left and right.
Do you understand?
Germans started the chain of violence, not Slavs, or French, or British.
>>28558
>>28589
>I'm so smart look at me dont question anything that I say oy vey
To
>>28619
I graduated university it was awful, if you do not agree with everything they say you are basically ostracised, I was a good goy at the time though but I knew something wasn't right.
I think you boys need to think carefully about why you believe what you do.
>>28672
>the opponent is more credible than you.
In the eyes of a retard maybe. If you don't know how to think critically at a basic level then that's your problem. In reality, addressing them would be like acknowledging that they're human at all, which is already lending too much credibility to a /pol/ shill.
>>28647
There is no evidence for holocaust denial. All of it will be emitting a minute detail or ignoring something important. That's how 9/11 Truthers works. That's how Holocaust deniers work. /his/ does not deserve to become a second fucking /pol/. If you want to talk about your lunatic conspiracy theories, go circlejerk with the rest of the Nazis on /pol/.
>>28718
>oy vey
>good goy
Just lay off the shitty, overdone buzzwords and maybe we'll take you seriously.
>>28589
This is the most "I don't know where the fuck I am" post I've ever seen on 4chan.
>West did not long for war
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saar_Offensive
>assist poles who were both hunting jews and etnic germans.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1939)
http://www.thefuhrerbunker.com/WWII.htm
Some random shit to consider with "top notch" sources.
>>27212
Dude it even says so on the document. Do you even German?
>>28741
>waaah 4chan is muh sekrit club!! we are elite!!!
What is this? 2009?
