Let's talk about Eastern Africa. We know about the Axum Empire, but what other civilizations arose here?
>>269760
>eastern Africa
The legite place where blacks actually built a worthwhile empire(or empires) and of which no black SJW moron knows about because they don't know shit about shit.
Niggers.
Home of literally the first civilizations, so big props to them.
Thanks for picking the right females to fuck, East African hominids! You did a heck of a job.
>>269831
Oh fuck off it's not like anyone cares about Africa Pillsberry Fuckboy.
Also Aksum was not the only empire of note in Africa.
>>269836
>Home of literally the first civilizations
I thought that's Mesopotamia.
Nubia and the Swahilis are the other big ones. Strangely enough, the three were barely related to each other at all. Nubia was most closely tied with Egypt and Byzantium, Ethiopia with Yemen and Byzantium, and the Swahilis (much later) with Omanis and Muslim Indians.
Anyway, Nubia started off in the bronze age as the Kerma culture with the first urban center in the region but didn't rise to prominence until the decline of Egypt (who often ruled over them) in the Iron Age. They set up the kingdom of Kush, which was like Egypt-lite (they never had good land, so they never supported civilization on Egypt's scale) and conquered Egypt for a while in the 8th century BC before being kicked out by the Assyrians, who were basically fucking up everyone.
Around 590 they moved further south, setting up Meroe and building some nice pyramids. They were fairly prosperous until about 350 AD, and were essentially the last remnant of Pharaonic civilization.
Later on they reemerged as Orthodox Christians under the kingdom of Makuria, which famously knocked the shit out of the early Arab invaders and lasted through most of the medieval period, but towards the 13th century they gradually fell under Islamic and Egyptian/Ottoman domination. They've been Islamic ever since, later on setting up the Mahdist state in the 19th century.
The Swahili cities were basically a bunch of merchant colonies along the coast around Kenya and Tanzania, though stretching south to Mozambique too, growing rich by exporting African ivory and gold. They spoke Bantu and were mostly native, but they were Islamic and built in an Indo-Islamic fashion. They flourished especially from the 13th-16th centuries, after which they gradually came under Portuguese and Omani control. In the late 18th and 19th centuries they became the center of the huge Indian Ocean slave trade.
Pic related are the Meroitic pyramids after some Italian fuck went and blew them all up.
>>271113
Expanding on Makuria, it fell under muslim domination around the Fatimid times as th eroyal family gradually intermarried into the Banu Kanz tribe who were shia and vassals of the Fatimids
Makuria was not conquered by the muslims thanks to the Baqt treaty until Selim/Mamluks fucked them up later
>>269836
>Home of literally the first civilizations
Literally not.
Home of homo sapiens, sure, but not of civilization.
didn't Ethiopia or some other country have one of the oldest Christian communities? they were neither Catholics nor Orthodox nor any of the European branches
>>271686
Coptics, legend said they had the ark of the covenant
>>269760
Buganda was pretty fucking cool.
Europeans went full retard when they found it, started making up nonsensical biblical theories to explain it. They crossed load of barely habited, harsh deserts and mountains from all directions until they reached it and then just WHAM. Functioning agrarian civilization.
Couldn't have been the series of massive, peaceful lakes? Must have been King Solomon.
>>271714
The Bugandan king was a huge degenerate though.
He routinely killed and ate his enemies. Also he had the distasteful habit of sodomizing young boys.
The reports of early missionaries are one of utter shock and disgust.
>>271732
>He routinely killed and ate his enemies.
I wonder if that was a factor in the Idi Amin myths.
>>269954
It is.
>>269831
>implying there wherent any worth while empires in east africa
>>271732
>The Bugandan king was a huge degenerate though.
wich one there where like 38 of them all together
The Maasai were once genuinely fierce warriors, even sacking the swahili city states at one point. Wild animals can distinguish both the Maasai smell and language before fleeing immediately. Two little maasai schoolgirls were enough to terrify a hungry lioness.
The Nilotic migration into east africa began with the collapse of the Christian Nubian kingdoms. Refugees pushed the nilotic cattle herders out of Sudan and into the plains of the east.
In the great lakes region the Nilotic herders often conquered pre established kingdoms like Rwanda and set themselves up as the ruling class.
In Kenya the combined pressure of Nilotic and Cushitic raiders drove many Bantu tribes up into the easily defensible highlands.
The Swahili city states were inhabited since Greco-Roman times. And after the expansion of Arab and Persian culture came the Swahili culture. One point of interest is that Swahili has no tonal system like the overwhelming majority of African languages. An indicator of its origins as a traders pidgin.
>>271906
The one who lived in the 1880s, when Lugard visited Buganda.
>>271904
Ethiopia was once considered on par with Rome, Persia, and China.
Ibn Battuta called Mombassa one of the most magnificent and beautiful cities he'd ever visited.
>>271967
>Wild animals can distinguish both the Maasai smell and language before fleeing immediately. Two little maasai schoolgirls were enough to terrify a hungry lioness.
wait, this can actually happen?
>>271990
>Ethiopia was once considered on par with Rome, Persia, and China.
A single quote by a wannabe persian jesus.
Not supported by any historical evidence.
>>271967
>In the great lakes region the Nilotic herders often conquered pre established kingdoms like Rwanda and set themselves up as the ruling class.
Aaaaaaaaand I got to go dump a bunch of qualifiers onto that.Not saying you necessarily are advocating the unvarnished "TUTSI ARE ETHIOPIAN GOD-MEN, TWA ARE UNTOUCHED PRIMITIVES FROM THE PALEOLITHIC" narrative but...
So, for like, 1,000 years you could just become a Tutsi by buying some cows. That was literally it. And the fact that the Hutu, Tusti, Twa split based exclusively on craft roles exists in all three mythic traditions, despite a lot of other differences suggests some commonality of culture rather than imposition of this idea, or the co-existence of three monolithic entities.
>>271982
Never heard of Mwanga eating people.
But his dad was actually a pretty good politician. Played the Protestants, Catholics, and Muslims like a fiddle to keep Buganda's independence.
>>272051
You're understating the difference between Tutsis and their neighbors. For instance, tutsis are lactose tolerance.
They were basically bantu proto-indo-europeans.
There was a Somali kingdom called Punt that had open trade with Egypt. Some Egyptian pharaohs even visited it
>>272075
>They were basically bantu proto-indo-europeans.
Kirundi is in the Niger-Congo language grouping.
Hutu speak the same damn language, and so are also Bantu speakers.
>>272022
Yep.
They've done experiments where a white guy, maasai guy, a luo guy, and a miscellaneous Bantu guy step into a crowded savanna and begin to speak their mother tongue.
The Englishman was ignored, the Luo and Bantu made the animals alert, but the Maasai people always made them fly into a panic. Even more when Maasai was played from a loudspeaker, unlike the other languages which did nothing.
Rogue bull elephants try to target Maasai warriors first on their rampages.
>>272121
Sure, just like Bengali and Danish are both indo-european languages.
>>272096
Coastal Somalia was described as unbearably stinky by arab travelers. Although Mogadishu was once basically the Muslim version of Las Vegas.
>>272169
It's more like how Danish and Danish are both indo-european languages.
Because they both speak Kirundi.
>>272189
Well most bengalis speak english.
I guess bengalis are british now.
>>272169
The difference being that the Tutsi and Hutu speak one language.
>>272202
Bengalis aren't genetically identical to English people
Hutus and Tutsis are
>>272220
>Hutus and Tutsis are
They really aren't.
>historical affiliations, as opposed to the Hutu who were primarily Bantu agriculturalists.[1]
>However, a more recent study (Trombetta et al. 2015) found 22.2% E1b1b in a Tutsi sample from Burundi, but 0% in the Hutu and Twa of Burundi.[2] Particularly of the M293 variety associated with Southern Cushitic people and East African pastoralists.[3]
>>272202
You're the one that brought linguistic groups into this conversation.
And no, English is not the most common first language among Bangladeshis.
A better comparison would be "Peoples of the British Isles who are not noblemen are British."
>>272220
Hutus and Tutsis are genetically identical to English people?
I mean nowadays they kind of are, but 100 years ago they clearly were not.
>>272240
>You're the one that brought linguistic groups into this conversation.
No.
I meant proto-indo-european in a racial way.
>>272236
OK, so given this understanding of "Tutsi", only 22.2 of what we understand to be Tutsi are actually Tutsi?
>>272246
Oooooooh. You were just being retarded.
>>272236
What was the sample size?
>>272250
No, what it means is that 20% of Tutsis have a Y-DNA haplogroup which originates from the north. This is consistent with a hypothesis of a migration of pastoralists from the north who mixed with the local bantus. Hutus, however, have no such ancestry.
>>272276
>Paternal genetic influences associated with the Horn of Africa and North Africa are few (1% E1b1b), and are ascribed to much earlier inhabitants who were assimilated.
>Tishkoff et al. (2009) found their mixed Hutu and Tutsi samples from Rwanda to be predominately of Bantu origin, with minor gene flow from Afro-Asiatic communities (17.7% Afro-Asiatic genes found in the mixed Hutu/Tutsi population).
>>272390
>>Paternal genetic influences associated with the Horn of Africa and North Africa are few (1% E1b1b), and are ascribed to much earlier inhabitants who were assimilated.
Are you clinically retarded? Read two sentences below (recent study).
Here, I'll help :
>Trombetta et al. (2015) found 22.2% E1b1b in a Tutsi sample from Burundi, but 0% in the Hutu and Twa of Burundi.[2]
>>272418
>Hey look, Genetic studies not only don't answer the question, they can't agree on the non-answer to give!
Then I guess we can't conclusively say that the earth is spherical, according to you.
Fucking moron.
Ruins at Kilwa, on the southern Tanzanian coast, probably date from the 9th or perhaps from the 8th century. They have revealed an extensive pre-Muslim settlement standing on the edge of what was the finest harbor on the coast. Though there is little evidence to suggest that its inhabitants had any buildings to begin with, wattle-and-daub dwellings appeared in due course, and by the 10th century short lengths of coral masonry wall were being built. The inhabitants, whose main local currency was cowrie shells, traded with the peoples of the Persian Gulf and, by the early 11th century, had first come under Muslim influence. By 1300, like the inhabitants of neighboring Mafia, they were living in Muslim towns, the rulers of which were now Shia. Although no houses were being built of coral, stone mosques were being constructed.
External trade was increasing: glass beads were being imported from India, and porcelains, transshipped either in India or in the Persian Gulf, were arriving from China. There appears also to have been a rather extensive trade with the island of Madagascar.
>>272401
I see no contradiction here.
Tutsi people are largely Bantu with arachaic cushitic admixture.
Besides, your sample is from Burundi anyway.
>>272132
That is all very interesting, do you have a source?
The Nubians, who were largely uplifted by the Egyptians.
>>274903
http://www.nature.com/news/elephants-recognize-the-voices-of-their-enemies-1.14846
Somalia had gave rise to several powerful empires that were responsible with spreading Islam in the horn while establishing trade between East Africa and Asia.
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>A thread where we actually discuss regional africa
It's like Christmas came early. General "Africa" threads are as retarded as "Asia" threads.
