How is WWII taught in Germany and Japan? What about Fance and Italy?
>>429835
German here:
Hardly any. In school itself I hardly learned anything about WWII itself, it's more focused on the state of the third Reich.
You have to understand the way history is thought in Germany though:
From year 5 (approximate age 10) to year 10 the churriculum is teaching history backwards, so in year 5 you have stone age and neolithic revolution, year 6 is old Greece, year 7 the Roman Empire, 8 the middle ages (mostly HRE), 9 the 19th century and 10 the 20th. However alot of it is up to the individual teacher and often enough they won't manage to teach you everything they should (for example I remember my history book having chapters for the late Roman/Byzantine/early Holy Roman Empire, despite us never actually reaching it. Teachers tend to know this so they focus on the more important stuff (or what they regard as such). For example I didn't have too much about the WW2 era and more about the division of Germany.
After year 10 it's closer to a university style system with the teachers selecting certain 'structures' and then picking examples over time. For example for year 11 my teacher choose Imperialism (or something like that) and we mostly focused the spanish Empire and a bit on the Imperialism in China.
All of this is for the Gymnasium, I don't know if Haupt- and Realschule teach it differently.
The thing is that it's not quite as 'MUH 6 MILLION' as people would like you to believe but it's still a pretty big part. However I would say that the real focus is on Hitlers rise to power and understanding how this was possible. The actual reign and the War are secondary topics (and considering most documentaries focus on these I don't really mind it too much)
tl;dr: Not very much, hardly anything about the war, more about the state itself.
>>429835
German was viewed as the primary antagonist of world war 2. The result is that they were treated harsher in the post-war world. Germany was subjected to de-nazification processes which were meant to re-educate people. It was a bit of a hypocracy tho because in some places were competent organizers were needed, some of the war era nazis were just allowed to keep their jobs if there was a shortage of organizers.
Add to that the Korean war, in which Japan suddenly found itself as the primary base for Allied military planning and organization just a few years after World war 2. As a result, pro-Imperial sentiments in Japan was actually brushed aside to an extent that Naziism was not in Germany.
Today, Germany views World War 2 as it's fault and that nazis are bad and must never happen again and this is why the rise of Naziism is a bigger issue in Germany than in other countries.
In Japan, the emperor was allowed to keep his job and people go to pray to statues of Kamikaze pilots. You see, there was very little re-education done in Japan...
>>429835
France here
Basically, we heroically stood against the Germans but lost because of British betrayal.
Then we resisted for 4 years until we liberated ourselves (with little help from USA) in 1944 and invaded Germany
>>430070
laughed internally. why the pride?
at least you managed to rid yourself of the red pants. shame it didnt help!
>>430070
De Gaulle please go
>>430070
My great-grandfather never stopped fighting simply because he was never in Axis controlled french territory during the whole war. I think the last important battle he participated in was helping Americans get past some point in Italy(a hill or something), he was eventually station in France controlled Germany section. And even he was royally butthurt and ashamed at all the people who celebrate "France's victory" each year.
He thought people should remember the hard truth that France lost and feel ashamed and not celebrate that "we happened to be on the winning side".
>>430070
To the gas chambers with you, pepe
We hardly learned about WW2 in the US. I don't count elementary school education, because that's not serious education anyways.
Freshman year of high school was world history, from the start of civilization in the Indus/Mesopotamia valleys, up through Rome and the middle ages. Very broad stuff and it was taught by the basketball coach.
Sophomore Year was a political science class. We just learned civics, but my teacher was a miserable coal burner who flirted with the black students and always played episodes of CSI. She got arrested last year for chimping out at a basketball game and it pleased me.
Junior year was the best history course I ever took: AP US History. The teacher really cared about his job. We started at Jamestown and went up through WW1, but we ran out of time before the end of the year and the time the AP test had to be taken, so we didn't cover WW2 or after hardly at all. It was heavily glossed over, since the APUSH test tends to focus much more on unknown parts of US history such as between1812 and the civil war, or between the civil war and the first world war.
>>429944
>However I would say that the real focus is on Hitlers rise to power and understanding how this was possible.
That sounds like the more important part to actually teach in schooling anyway.
>>430191
>He thought people should remember the hard truth that France lost and feel ashamed and not celebrate that "we happened to be on the winning side".
Well, he'd love how entire French military history is now seen worldwide thank to Iraq War butthurt combined with US cultural superpower statut
Pretty sure even his cuck self couldnt have dreamed of so much unwarranted shaming
>>430214
It really is.
Military History is pretty useless for the average citizen (and arguably in general), even though it is what the average hobby-historian jacks off to.
>>430228
What happened in 2003 to cause the drop?
>>431692
"Coalition of the willing"
What they teach us about ww2
Western betrayal
Heydrich is kill
""""Liberation""""
Retribution and removal of Germans
>>431692
France refused to join the US in its invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. A lot of American felt betrayed and some did stupid shit like buying French wine and then dumping it.
>>432953
>buying French wine and dumping it
Lmao. Supporting their economy.
>>429835
>How is WWII taught in Japan?
NANJING NEVER HAPPEN COMFORT WOMAN IS A LIE
Okay all jokes aside. Japanese textbook do shy away from the subject. I've talked to some Japanese friends and they mention that the Nanjing massacre only got a one page mention, most of the WW2 history being taught is all about logistics and statistics which bores the hell out of the students and make them hate the subject.
So in a far, the Japanese department of education have found a clever way to hide all the warcrimes from the youth.
>>433708
>So in a far
Fuck I meant 'so in a way'
>>429835
The war itself isn't talked about extensively here in Germany. The focus lies on the Weimar Republic and its fall, most importantly which aspects of the Weimar constitution and political landscape made the rise of the Nazi party possible.
>>429944
>The thing is that it's not quite as 'MUH 6 MILLION' as people would like you to believe but it's still a pretty big part.
lol i dont even recall how many documentaries and books we had forced down our throats about muh ebul germans gassing 60000000 trillion of g-ds chosen people, not only in history class but also in german, religious education and politics
but, then again NRW here, might be different elsewhere
>>432953
>France refused to join the US in its invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan.
But that's false you monkey
France joined in Afghanistan since it was linked to 9/11 (and thus considered a response to an attack against the US).
But they refused to join in Iraq, an useless aggression war that achieved nothing but fuck up the country and create ISIS
And since Bush government had heavily relied on the average American's unability to make the difference between two muslim countries to gain support for Iraq, people conveniently forgot the fact France was helping in Afghanistan and declared they were traitors who refused to help their ally after an attack
This is easily one of the most shameful moment in US history
Never before had it been proven to that extend how easily the American people could be deceived and controlled by its government
>>433727
That seems appropriate really.
>>433773
Oh yes it was a strange transition period in germany when nobody realy knew how to react to america seemingly going crazy before our Eyes, small things like the "Freedom Fries" name change or the "they hate our freedom" argument were what pushed out big parts of the sympaty after 9/11
>>429835
Don't Italians learn a lot about Italian Civil War which is ignored anywhere else in exchange for muh Yugoslav/French resistance.
>>429835
Italian here
History education in secondary school in Italy is very extensive. We spend about 2 hours a week for 5 years studying the entire history of western civilization starting from the Ice Age. The education we were given in my class on the second world war was really good. Although we focussed a bit more on what happened within Italy with the Partisans and Fascism and all that we went over pretty much all the other major countries, the USA, Britain, France, Japan, the USSR. Studying both their internal politics during the period and what they did in the war.
And it was all very objective, our teacher didn't shy away from telling us how shit we were militarily and how cucked we ended up from it.
>>433841
Oh and Germany of course.
>>430070
You mustn't have been to school much.
The first theme that is studied in the last year of high school is actually dealing with the conflicting memories of WWII, and a large part of this is dedicated to the myth of resistancialism put forward by De Gaulle and by commies.
Before that, WWII is studied from three angles :
- From an international point of view, with a complete overview of the conflict (with focuses on the Pacific war and Stalingrad, operation Overlord, the Blitz and the Allies' bombings, Hiroshima and Nagasaki)
- The extermination process of the mentally-ill, the gipsies and the jews is studied quite extensively.
- Then there's a focus on France during WWII, with both Résistance and Collaboration being presented.
This is all part of a nationally defined curriculum that every public school and 99% of private ones must follow (almost all private schools are mostly state-funded)
t. history teacher in a French high school
>>433889
>t. history teacher in a French high school
do they teach about France betrayal of Czechoslovakia ?
>>433894
I do explain how Chamberlain and Daladier were cucked, but it's not mandatory and has to be done rather fast, so I don't think most students remember it in the long term.
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>>433933
Do you say much about this guy?
>>433951
Of course, we teach how much of a great statesman and Patriot he was. Fighting degeneracy and making the best of an awful situation, none of the Jewish Bolshevism revisionism "academia" is plagued with.
>>433951
When dealing with Vichy France, we explain why he got the job, the Montoire meeting with Hitler, and how a cult of personality was organized around him.
The year after that, his trial and "legacy" are studied in the chapter about the memories of WWII that I mentioned earlier.
>>430070
>lost because of British betrayal
What? Should they have stayed and fought to the last man?
>>434005
>Be allies with the French
>Still get to sink their fleet
Just can't pass up a chance like that.
