Was the French Revolution a positive or negative event (on France, on Europe, on liberty)?
>>427636
It was the worst thing that ever happened.
The ever memorable and blessed revolution, which swept a thousand years of villainy away in one swift tidal wave of blood — one: a settlement of that hoary debt in the proportion of half a drop of blood for each hogshead of it that had been pressed by slow tortures out of that people in the weary stretch of ten centuries of wrong and shame and misery the like of which was not to be mated but in hell.
There were two Reigns of Terror, if we would but remember it and consider it: the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death on ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the horrors of the minor Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty and heartbreak? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror, which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over, but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.
The greatest event in the history of civilization.
>>427636
>a positive or negative event
>>>/pol/spuriousvaluejudgements
We don't do this shit in history, fuck off to where you belong.
>>427698
Historical events can be interpreted
>>427636
Only edgy reactionary fedora tippers think it was negative.
everything was going fine until they betrayed the girondists
>>427698
/lit/shit detected
>muh moral relativism
>>427733
>1793
>siding with reactionaries and counter-revolutionarymonarchists
>>427636
Negative. It brought more poisonous politicians and Jews to power in Europe, in addiditon to causing a better government to wither away.
>>427636
Negative, it was the birth of modern leftism.
Great. Don't let reactionaries tell you otherwise. They'll twist facts and words in order to support their desire to be cucked by the monarch.
>>427805
More people died in 9/11, than in the entirety of the Inquisition.
Dumbass.
French Revolution is the single worst event in European history after the fall of Rome
It is the point at which everything starts going wrong for Europe
>>427843
this is not a numbers issue
>>427843
this is not a killcount issue
>>427805
The irony is that the revolutionaries themselves ended up under the guillotine, what am I even doing, like you don't know pretty much every revolution ends up in a failure. American revolution is the one exception and then again you could argue whether it was a proper revolution to begin with.
>>427871
i have no strong feelings about the revolutionaries themselves one way or the other, im just happy to know that enlightment thinking fought and survived to this day
>>427805
>MUH HORRIBLE INQUISITION
Yet another post-revolutionary revisionist horseshit, on par with "everyone in the middle ages believed the Earth was flat" and "every peasant was cucked by the king on a wedding night."
>>427884
just a wee bit of death and torture, no biggie
>>427843
Raw numbers don't matter. It's the quality of the people who were killed that matters.
100 nobles being executed for nothing is far more heinous than 10,000 peasants dying in a revolution.
>>427848
Um, lol no. The fall of Rome wasn't actually that bad.
The Empire had grown extremely corrupt and depleted of its resources. It wasn't so much as a violent fall, but a much needed "transformation" into more decentralized kingdoms. These "barbarian" kings who'd become the future monarchs of Europe were able to govern their domains much more effectively than the nepotistic governors of the emperor. The rise of the church also ended slavery, opened countless universities, and began the idea of separating religion from interference by the state.
>>427894
*tips monocle*
>>427892
>just a wee bit of made up shit
Yeah don't forget anon:
Hundreds of thousands of innocents died because of inquisition, mostly because they were believed to be witches.
Nobles had a right to rape every peasant girl on her wedding night, who wouldn't want to remove those assholes? Are you a monarchist cuck?
Every single royal ever was inbred while the peasants were the pinnacle of gene diversity.
Everyone believed the Earth is flat. If you dared to mention it was round, you got burned at the stake. For being a witch.
Nobody took baths, ever. Everyone walked around coated in pig shit until the enlightement philosophers invented hygiene.
All in all only a retard wouldn't want to remove the filthy, and we rational gentlemen enligthened by our own intelligence are no retards *tips powdered wig*
>>427920
nice strawman, monarcuck
>>427957
Nice copout, peasant.
>>427967
Thats bourgeoisie for you.
>>427977
Even worse.
>we'll remove the aristocracy!
>and then we'll emulate them!
Problem with the French Revolution is that it became a quasi-religious one. As much as the Revolutionaries like have claimed, any shred of "enlightenment" was discarded once it turned into a zealous, emotional and irrational bloodbath.
The attempt to decentralise thought and reasoning failed and in place of the Old Regime, came a new, fearsome force, the nation-state. One that centralised all thought and reasoning and censored and doctored things it didn't agree with.
>>427987
This desu.
Marxism is a good example too, originally intended to be scientific, yet ended up being retarded dogmatic faith.
>>427702
Interpretation isn't judgement, "wie es eigentlich gewesen" much cunt?
>>427706
>positive
Is still a value judgement.
>>427746
"Wie es eigentlich gewesen" and fuck off to >>>/pol/ isn't moral relativism mate, it says that morality is the proper business of politics, for which we have a delightful and entertaining image board. fuck off to it.
>>427998
Do you think any of us can speak German? Fuck off sperg.
>>427992
Holy shit you're fucking retarded. Marx and Engels were fucking geniuses of their time, and developed an entirely new level of socio-economic study. The left hasn't made any serious intellectual advancement after them because it's not possible after these men were so unequivocally right about human society.
I wish you guys could pull your heads out of your asses for a second and accept that Marx was literally right about everything. It's just embarrassing to still disagree at this point.
>>428019
...ok
>>428019
>this delusion
Holy shit you guys really do live like cult members, don't you? You're just like Christians and Muslims.
>>428019
>revolutionary state socialism
>>428019
>>428019
This should become a copypasta.
>>427848
Everything was going great for Europe between the French revolution and German unification. German unification was the real beginning of the end.
>>428073
>Everything was going great
Uh ... Napoleonic wars? The 48-49 nationalist revolutions?
>>428018
>Do you think any of us can speak German? Fuck off sperg.
If you can't identify the quote, you have no business in history.
>>427636
The positive benefit was that it greatly centralized and streamlined French bureaucracy, and scared the rest of Europe from accepting radical populism.
Also, when talking about the French Revolution, everyone forgets about the decade of war that event sparked.
>>427920
>invented hygiene
Don't make me laugh :^)
It was terrorism and treasonous.
>>427992
>Marxism is a good example too, originally intended to be scientific, yet ended up being retarded dogmatic faith.
>>428019
>The left hasn't made any serious intellectual advancement after them
>>428169
That Twain quote is retarded, he advocates looking at the big picture and not just the single revolutionary event, yet in the big picture, that revolution caused things like:
>socialist/communist movement
Literally dozens of millions of victims all in the name of ending class differences and inequality
>nation state
Napoleonic wars, several nationalist revolutions, Franco-Prussian war, WW1, WW2, Yugoslav wars, you name it
It's understandable, because Twain couldn't foresee to which direction would all revolutionary this monstrosity eventually spin, but to think TODAY that he was right is beyond laughable.
Negative. It was a natural consequence of absolutism that was even more corrupted. Spanish Habsburg monarchy is where it's at, every town ruling itself by its own Cabildo while the king made the federal law and supervised the kingdom. Sadly Charles II became king and everything went to shit..
>>428189
I think you're being an obtuse reactionary for no reason. He's talking about the reason why revolution is justified to begin with and calling out the hypocrisy of idiots balking at the "violence" of the terror but the vaster violence that justifies it. And it was justified, fuck your monarchs and tsars and aristocracies.
>>428246
That's exactly what I'm getting at, the chain of events triggered by the revolution had a higher death toll in just 200 years than anything that happened in the previous 1000. You're basically saying LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE while ignoring the big picture yourself.
>>427636
The worst thing to happen to western civilization since Constantine.
>>427899
>Um, lol no. The fall of Rome wasn't actually that bad.
It didn't really even "fall" properly until Islam started sacking the entire near east and eastern med.
>>427636
So economically, and gas not need.
>>427920
sources to back up your shit?
>>428295
It's sarcasm in case you didn't notice.
>>427636
it is the apology of the leisure industry with the fantasy that people will refuse leisure to be citizen.
>>428270
>plebs believe this
