What would the Song Dynasty of China be like if the Jurchens didn't fuck them sideways and take the north for the Great Jin?
Theyd be less fucked up I guess.
>>416088
>generally more resources
>norther Chinese plain fertile for horse herding
>former Jin controlled area makes good wheat farming land
>in Jurchen homeland, tons of wild game and fish-rich waters
Basically they would have more resources and room for economic expansion which would push their industrialization a bit further and give them more leverage against the Mongols.
The Song might even end up surviving the full brunt of the Mongol horde.
>>416088
Perhaps hitting the industrial revolution somewhere in the 1500s
>>416125
They might have also saved Western Xia from being totally fucked by the Mongols
>>416135
What, would they just masturbate for three hundred years before industrializing or something?
>>416180
MANCHU
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SHITS
>>416088
>Song Dynasty.
It was already hopeless. Those pen-pushers were too pen-pushy.
>>416579
>save their mortal enemies
I don't think you understand how this works
>>416669
>be Song
>enjoying peace with Liao for almsot 100 years
>Jin rised
>helped Jin defeating Liao
>got buttfucked by Jin
>enjoyed another 100 peaceful years
>Mongols rised
>helped Mongols defeating Jin
>got fucked by the Mongols
And they say hitler's Russian invasion was the dumbest strategic mistake.
>>418963
Song actually was defeated by Liao and had to pay tribute to keep the peace. Later, Song was defeated by Jin and had to pay tribute.
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>>419384
Calm down dere, Cow Cow.
>>418963
Nobody took the Mongols seriously during their infancy. Everyone saw them as yet another niggerous steppe nomad tribe.
This is why you had shit like Song China allying with the Mongols hoping to use them and Khwarezmians beheading Mongol Ambassadors.
>>418963
without hindsight they probably didn't think the mongols would go that far
I suppose if they made a mistake it was not energetically mounting a full scale invasion of their own, the letting the mongols take the liao and xia region in that map maybe while they themselves go for beijing
>tfw half Korean from Pyongan and half Liaoning Manchu/Mongol from Yellow and Blue Banners
>tfw descended mostly from Jurchens
>tfw extremely skilled at shooting guns as well as good at riding bikes, surfing, snowboarding. you name it
>tfw extremely good grades in chinese happy merchant business skills at top UC
>tfw 6'2," 7.5" cock and routinely cuck chinese guys, korean guys, japanese guys, and white guys with my huge jurchen penis
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>>418963
>>enjoyed another 100 peaceful years
No.
Jin and Song were embroiled in constant warfare.
>>enjoying peace with Liao for almsot 100 years
After Liao fucked up the Song army and stolen vital Song land.
>>419426
>huge jurchen penis
>tungus dick
>big
Gud joke lmao
>>420020
t. Jurchen
