What happened to the idea of building beautiful cities?
pic is Adelaide Grand Central Hotel demolished for a multi-storey carpark
>>234577
Wish I knew, London is becoming oddly shaped glass and steel.
I wouldn't object so much if the first 5-6 stories were designed in a more 'conservative' fashion, I want cherubs, naked ladies, strange faces, all that cool 17-19th century stuff.
Instead I get a building that melts cars
>not even on purpose
>>234803
Yeah, there's something depressing about the idea that although we've progressed in so many areas (poverty, disease, etc) we've somehow regressed on city aesthetics and architecture
You only think old stuff looks cool because it's old stuff, and you pine for a return of traditional life.
Function over form.
Simple as that.
>>234577
They still do, you just don't share their opinion on beauty.
Architectural styles change. We don't build aqueducts and coliseums anymore.
Deal with it.
Not even sure your thread is related to /his/.
>>235118
This. If that old stuff were commonplace, it would be seen as banal and soulless as you see our current architecture.
>>235118
But tradition-inspired modern stuff looks horrendous too.
Cheap, Glass and steel costs less then stone, And setting it up cost less than brick laying,
Also the fucking architectures are having a field day when ever something "modern" is being built.
>>235161
fucking mecca i swear
baka desu
>>235721
And remember, they destroyed this 300 years old fortress to build it
>this triggers the turk
>>235118
>>235157
Fuck you two, modern architecture is intrinsically connected to modernist urban planning, which through neglect and obsession with self-expression of the artist leads to terrible cities in terms of livability. This in turn contributes further to modern society's anomie, by having the place you live physically enforce it.
>>235161
haha wow that is some awful architecture. I don't even see inspiration from islamic forms. It looks like a shitty take on stalinist architecture
>technicity dictates that function is over form
>art has dictated for a while now that meaning is above form
>economy dictates that rentability and efficiency should be above appreciation
Mix all of this and you have either designs made from strict concepts with super duper deep symbolism and meaning that adds nothing, blandness with peak efficiency or cheap construction
>>235161
This was, undoubtedly, the worst attack ever committed by a Bin Laden
>>235161
>>236131
This is painful to look at.
Say what you will about muh degeneracy, if there is one civilisation currently heading towards decadence, that would be the arabic one. At this point they are taking something that is sacred to them, an important place that their religion value, cash in on it and make it the Disneyworld of islam full of overly fancy hotels so you can go cleanse your soul betwee two bubble-baths.
Disgusting.
>>236262
Yup, a ton of modern architecture modern architecture is based around cost and not much else, mostly because of how easy it's become to produce the materials required to build. People say that we only like old things because they're old, but really that's not true, older things are almost always nicer because unlike today, there wasn't a whole lot of building going on and more care was taken in designing buildings.
>>236359
>I don't even see inspiration from islamic forms
the windows idiot
>>234577
Life today is alienating, depressing and traditionless, it only makes sense that buildings match
>>236989
Can't wait for this clean forms + glass meme to die
>>234577
>What happened to the idea of building beautiful cities?
what happened to the idea of building beautiful cathedrals ?
oh can't do that worshipping god
so instead let's worship ourselves and build big cities
I don't see much difference.....
The people holding the power changed.
At some point in history, the church and other religious authority had massive influence and richnesses, so they built huge monuments to serve their purposes.
At some other point, it was the nobility that acted this way, sometimes it were the states, etc.
Now, it's corporations who use architecture as a dick-mesuring contest. They don't need symbolism, they just need the best price/quality value.
>>236808
Saudis are trying to turn their kingdom into Disney land, trade ports, and some science research centers how well this will turn in well find out in a few years
>>236989
Fucking triangle thing
>>235161
there is literally nothing wrong with this.
>>236925
but the highest towers dont have them. and anyway the windows looked like they were just shoehorned onto an apartment building without any regard for how they look. tacky as fuck
>>235161
scale is all fucked the bottom tenth actually looks good
>>234577
yeah but its got that big rainbow glowy thing going on m8
can't hate that
>>234577
>Adelaide
>carpark
The idea of building beautiful cities only exists in the hearts of the proletariat. Bourgeois art is dead.
>>236262
>>236657
>>236890
All of this. My city is now a disgusting mixture of well-kept 19th century houses, beautiful old buildings on the brink of collapse, grey communist rectangles and 'modern' architecture aka shitty concrete and glass constructions, sometimes fused with aforementioned 19th century buildings. It's a mess and no one with sufficient power and money cares, so they keep destroying and building.
>>234577
Rest assured that in whatever era you think was the golden age, people complained
why do those ugly postmodern structures keep getting built? WHO actually likes them?
Any idea where this is?
>>238509
postmodernists
>>238509
>WHO actually likes them?
The bourgeoisie in control of the state, specifically the architectural and artistic bourgeois.
not only are they hideous as hell, but they also double-triple costs of maintenance and A/C
next Palladio when?
>>238560
why do the bourgeoisie seem to like ugly shit so much? the bourgeois aesthetic was always an imitation of the aristocratic aesthetic.
>>238509
I like strange modern architecture, especially brutalism
>>238610
forgot pic
Modernism is fucking beautiful
>>238610
Brutalism is fucking trash. Spent my high school and college years in brutalist architecture. Fucking terrible to live and work in.
>>238628
It's pretty dystopian sometimes but it has its moments.
It's weird I don't care for brutalism in general and I really despise PoMo architcture, but the two combined is sort of charming.
>>238621
>posts a rendering instead of the real thing
>>238546
bern, switzerland
>>238546
Bern Switzerland.
Google search is useful.
My guess would've been heaven.
That looks so beautiful, in a way that it continues at the sides ruins it a bit.
>>236989
Is this a joke? The Louvre pyramid looks fine as always.
>>234577
Some standardized building designs and the demolition of older businesses are just side effects of progress.
Regardless, I personally prefer more modern styled buildings. Architectural marvels are still being made, just out of steel and concrete rather than wood and marble.
>>235161
Is that Las Vegas?
>>238845
Saudi Arabia I believe.
>>238621
But this building is literal shit even if the photo itself is good?
>>236942
I know this feel too well.
there's noting stoping you from building le beautiful city if you want
Who /comfy/ here?
>>238987
>hyper realism in a world saturated with cameras
you literally have autism if you decide to paint like this
>>236942
i dont understand though, making buildings match establishes a tradition of what is an acceptable building. its when you have these random skyscrapers and other such buildings with totally different styles standing next to each other that life becomes "alienating, depressing and traditionless," unless that is what you were trying to say.
This was burned down and replaced with...
>>239197
This.
>>239070
>It's autistic to create a work of art based on the world around you
>>239197
wow I had never known about this. the guy did a beautiful job of mimicking venetian (?) architecture. didn't know mormons could be good at stuff like this
also:
>Saltair was a family place, intended to provide a safe and wholesome atmosphere with the open supervision of Church leaders. While some of the other resorts in the area were seen as "spiritually bleak", a young courting Mormon couple could visit Saltair without worrying about gossip. Trains left from Salt Lake City every 45 minutes,[1] and so long as the boy got the girl home at a reasonable time after the train arrived, parents weren't worried – in part because, from the moment of arriving at the station before the outing until they left the station coming home, they were usually never out of sight of trusted members of the community.
lel
![231350_9rirIZOdbpFOe2xe92k90hn5S[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/nSin4NR.jpg "231350_9rirIZOdbpFOe2xe92k90hn5S[1].jpg")
>>239070
>mfw that passes as hyper-realism
>Be architecture major
>Live in Houston
>>239431
UH?
>>239436
Nah. Overseas and then came home.
>>238509
Rich capitalists.
>>234577
R A D E L A I D E
seriously tho most fucking ugly city on the planet
and i live here
>>237254
EXACTLY. It's just people desperate for any exucse to shit on Islam 2bh. I hate Islam myself, but I don't see what's so bad about this. It's not as terrible as brutalism and half the college campuses in the USA.
posting more shitty brutalism
What are the names of some other shitty architecture styles besides Brutalism? Was there an economic boom in the 1970s that spurred all this awful construction?
>>238546
I love cities surrounded by water. Part of the reason I love Pittsburgh, PA and Manhattan so much.
>>236751
lel
If I were a muslim I'd be buttblasted as fuck about this, especially when they literally bulldozed important historical sites to build it
>>238730
are the posts above this one considered brutalist?
For anyone looking for a nice doco on this, have a gander: https://vimeo.com/112655231
>>238845
>tfw living in Las Vegas and pretending the Paris hotel is an actually decent building from a distance instead of cheesy plaster bullshit
It helps when the mountains have some snow on them.
This city is so ugly, especially if you're not a tourist, but even then the Strip itself is too cheesy and covered in advertising to appreciate past the initial novelty. Every building outside of the Strip is beige stucco suburban cookie-cutters, beige stucco shopping centers, and beige stucco apartment complexes with beige metal sun-blockers over the parking spaces. There are 2 neighborhoods within a 10 mile radius that have some houses with actual siding and varying colors in paint and I need to visit them once every few weeks to keep myself from going completely insane.
I'll admit the valley itself is gorgeous during storms, but rain often comes no more than 5-10 times a year, to an annual average of 2-4 inches. Storms even less so, and they almost always hit at night. I at least hoped to see some of the architecture and signage of old Vegas, but most of the downtown has been converted into the worst tourist-trap lightshow/casino crawl and all of the decent signs are in storage in the neon graveyard. Never move to Las Vegas if you appreciate any sort of beauty in your life that isn't gaudy neon and plaster or the dusty starkness of the desert, dozens to hundreds of miles in any direction.
Wow, that was a rant. I miss living near New York.
>>236989
Opus Dei confirmed
>>238509
They're quick and relatively easy to build, without construction teams having to worry about debris from statues and the like. Plus, in certain countries, their design helps make them more robust against natural disasters - see Japan.
A more interesting answer, at least for some of the world, can be found in China. I remember seeing a video about how a Chinese construction team had to build a 15-story apartment complex in two weeks, just to keep up with the massive influx of people from the country-side. And that's the case literally all year round.
>>239212
jesus...
there is literally nothing wrong with international style
>>236808
>At this point they are taking something that is sacred to them, an important place that their religion value
Part of the reason for this is because they consider going out of their way to preserve those sites to be a form of idolatry.
>>239958
Looking at that building makes me fucking nauseous. and yeah, all the shitty buildings in Australia come from the 70s so whoever was studying/teaching architecture in the 60s deserves to be shot
I yearn for a return to the days of old
>>238614
over the site of the glorious Prussian red brick castle, fucking soviets.
>>238509
postmodernist or "modern art" people are now in the position which they fought against in few centuries ago. Now they're "the man"
>>240969
>postmodernist or "modern art"
> centuries ago
Is this the real /his/
>>235118
Actually, you're wrong. The architecture makes people feel good, most architecture that makes people feel good is based on nature, these buildings however do not sacrifice function for their natural looking form, thus you have your definition of what is good architecture. Buildings that built with good architecture are the ones that last.
Art noveau is pretty cool, too bad I live in a commieblock.
>>240992
Modern art has roots in 1700's lad.
I like most forms of architecture, but most especially neo-futurism. Pic related.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-futurism
>>234577
>>236942
Cities were always built with practicality in mind first. The only reason you imagine the past was different was that:
>Beautiful public buildings were kept around while most were demolished.
>Modern culture is so far reaching and diverse with so many influences that whenever a beautiful building or structure is made, it contrasts heavily with most of the architecture around it.
Most old cities were horrifying shit-filled monstrosities with a few beautiful buildings here and there. The best just kept the same architectural style throughout, without being all that special looking.
>>241114
Which is why i specifically used "modern art"
>>239986
God I know what you mean. I actually miss growing up in Jersey by comparison.
But then I lived far from the cities.
Reminder that people thought the flat iron building was hideous in its day.
>>235161
100,000 people can live in this. Supertall skyscrapers are truly awesome. It seems like we are well on the road to arcologies.
>>239212
Ok but was it burned down for the purpose of replacing that?
Because if it just happened to have burned down, then whatever.
Back in the 1950's and 1960's the people in power were obssessed with American cities, as they perceived them to be the best examples of modernity. Back then the idea was to make the Australian capitals in to American style cities. In the 1960's there was a plan to make the Adelaide CBD a place only for offices and light industry. No citizens would live in the CBD and the plan was for giant freeways to take the workers to their suburban homes, leaving the CBD empty by 5:30 pm.
It is also important to note, that in the 1950's and 1960's building such as the Exhibition building and the Grand Central Hotel were seen as ugly.
Many elegant buildings were destroyed in Melbourne in the lead up to the 1956 olympics, as the city authorities wanted the world to perceive Melbourne as a modern city. In the 1960's there was also a plan to destroy the historic Rocks area in Sydney and replace it with brutalist apartment towers.
>>238845
no, it's actually Mecca and it overlooks the giant black cube thing
>this was built in Guatemala City in the last 5 years
>>241270
>>241270
>>241283
>>241270
>>241283
>>241284
>>234946
>black tower
holy fuck someone gas the architect, that's fucking hideous.
>>241209
I don't know how it really is in Melbourne, but it looks like it came out really well. It has an awesome looking core, good levels of parks, and plenty of mass transit.
>>239070
you can't exactly just go and take a picture of the 1920's.
>>240908
>I yearn for a return to the days of old
Ah, back when cholera made everyone shit and polio took every third child.
Those were the days ~
>>239958
Looks like they had to put plants and bright colors on the stairs to stop the students wanting to kill themselves every time they look at it
I think Japan's got a pretty good hang of this modern-traditional stuff. This is Kyoto though, so I'm cheating.
Meanwhile, Tokyo is not exempt from shitty ideas like the upper Nihonbashi absolutely no one likes.You could actually see Fuji from the bridge before it was built.
>>234577
The new building looks better here.
>>234577
Post modernism is a bitch
>>235161
if you look at the people and the mosque courtyard at the bottom, then 'look up' to the clock tower, i bet your neck will feel sore
>>241358
Kyoto is different, it purposely decided to keep its old style for the sake of preservation.
That's why so much of Tokyo is ugly
>>239964
>muzzles
>giving a shit about history
If it ain't mecca they plow it over.
>>241530
But it IS Mecca.
That's the problem.
>>235145
>Function over form.
Are you yet to reach the 50s in your dimension? Decostructivism and related shit is all about form. There's remarkably little function in modern architecture.
>>236942
Yeah, I used to think old people were dumb in that regard and while the "good old days" weren't necessarily objectively better, the modern world just seems completely soulless. There was a thread on /co/ last night and someone mentioned getting basically no trick or treaters this year and I realized that I've watched the number of people trick or treating in my neighborhood trickle down to basically nothing as well.
The architecture, city layouts and the like are a symbol of that. A lot of that seems to reflect the sterilization and alienation of society that's really ramped up in the last ten years. Even CARS look cold and sterile with no sense of visual design to them anymore.
>>241120
Are you really saying Beijing is at least as, if not more, pleasant to live in as, say, Copenhagen or Amsterdam?
My guess would be cities are trying to look 'modern' and sadly those of us who would want our cities looking pretty would be the minority.
>>237720
I kind of like the fucked up shape of that one, desu.
>>235161
What is wrong? I think this looks amazing.
>>234577
>What happened to the idea of building beautiful cities?
We aren't permitted to use slave labor to build things anymore.
>>243290
meh trick or treating sucks, though i guess it does contribute to neighorliness.
Been to Rotterdam this weekend.
Every building except church was destroyed in WWII
the city is now one of the most well-known places for modern architecture
it is shit
ITT: Prince Charles
There's literally nothing wrong with modern architecture. People were complaining about the building's you're posting and saying they were eyesores when they were first built.
>>240908
90% sure this is a map in Battlefield 2
>>238596
Because the culturless nouveau riche gauche caviar bourgeoisie is not the old grande bourgeoisie and they disdain each other at the highest degree.
>>239070
>you literally have autism if you decide to paint like this
you literally have autism if you decide to post like this
I liked this building when I was a stupid kid.
>>245655
hodgepodge buildings fair
>>239070
>art is no longer about skill, talent, and dedication but about feelings and message
Fitting.
>>246433
You're talking about the "modern" buildings in this thread, I guess, as close to no classical/beaux arts buildings were posted?
Seriously your point is invalid, no one complained about the aesthetics of "Haussmanian" (Beaux arts would be more exact) buildings, they complained mostly about the massive destruction of popular areas to build bourgeois housing. No one treated these buildings as eyesores and even critics of the Haussmanian refurbishment of Paris found the end result beautiful (whilst still criticizing the opulence in a time where slums still existed), just look at Zola's descriptions of Paris.
And please, don't start arguing that Cathedrals or Palaces were treated as eyesores, excluding extremely over the top Rococo examples that didn't last long as a style.
>>246825
It looks like a melting cake.
![Poggenpohl_Project_-_New_Orleans__Rotterdam__Nethe[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/KQfNqvd.jpg "Poggenpohl_Project_-_New_Orleans__Rotterdam__Nethe[1].jpg")
>>245655
Rotterdam here, i understand what you mean it's like there isn't really a theme.
it's going all over the place, desu everything the goverment planned went to shit like that calypso tower.
markthal is a meme location and will be died in maby in a year, Erasmusbrug is a keeper tho best design they should have thought for that one.
problem is every new building is focused on that side of the city, their trying to outmeme the
>we the only city in NL with a skyline.
and let me not talk about the south part of the city, all these good plans they had for the city in terms of building got wrecked because of the recession a few years back.
now they are trying to scrape everything together and plan shit again,imo only decent thing i have seen thats new is old places that got abandonded and they are converting for new shit. while not demolishing it.
>>247012
btw this picture is old maby 5-6 years.
>>235161
its ok
>>241153
Have fun dragging your couch up there when you move in.
>>234577
Both of those buildings are boring and ugly though
>>247183
I think that's a problem we solved over a century ago with the invention of the elevator.
>>247012
This image encapsulates what is wrong with modern architecture. In the old days, architects designed buildings that fit with the motif of the existing buildings, but managed to contribute to the city's aesthetic while matching with its surroundings.
Modern architects are only interested in creating some ugly monstrosity that sticks out like a sore thumb juxtaposed against the surroundings for the sake of shock value. What's worse is that every architect is now trying to outdo the other buildings. The result is a dissonant skyline of unattractive buildings with no architectural motif to bind them.
>>243290
lol the reason there are less trick or treaters is because the country is getting older.
>>241372
>>241358
In most cities in Japan, buildings are expected to be torn down and rebuilt every 20 years. Zoning codes are quite permissive, as well. This leads to Tokyo approaching maximum economic efficiency in terms of land use - dense, tall apartments, offices, and retail stores cluster around train stations where land value is highest, tapering off block by block down to single-family homes on quiet, narrow side streets. Most of this construction is firmly in the utilitarian mold, with earthquake resistance and speed of construction prioritized over aesthetics. It still ends up quite cozy, IMO, because all the nondescript buildings combine into a cohesive urban fabric.
>>247220
There's an elevator in my building. Couldn't fit my queen sized bed in it, had to carry it upstairs.
Thing's gotta have massive elevators, and the wait times are probably awful.
>>247412
Anything of that size would have a dedicated freight elevator. It would likely be a single shaft with an awful wait time, but it's not like you move furniture more than once a year.
>>239004
Bucharest?
>>239070
That's like saying there's no point in cooking amazing food at home when you could just order pizza or go to McDonald's.
Why put effort into anything, then?
>>247475
That's the flatiron building anon. Times square in NYC.
time for some penn station, nyc
before (exterior)...
>>247554
before (interior)...
>>247554
...after (exterior)
>>247556
...after (interior)
>>247556
another interior pic
>>247302
When I lived in Taiepi this could have been my neighborhood. Despite everything being made out of concrete, it managed to not feel like an oppressive presence and fit pretty organically with the environment.
>>247580
Detroit still has part of it's old station standing.
>>239899
Kill yourself
>people shitting on brutalism and calling it dystopian
as much as I hate hearing people say this, I think its actually true in this case: you hate it because you are ignorant and don't understand it fully
Literally "just kek my desu up senpai" the city. Every year a dozen new soulless glass condos go up that look like trash and blot out the skyline, and the last bastions of tasteful architecture like Union Station and old city hall are swamped with new development or "expanded" to include bland new addons that look like tumours attached to the building.
Don't even get me started on the Royal Ontario Museum...
>>241315
>implying there's a point to living longer if there's nothing to live for
>>248343
not really specific to Toronto. That's just most cities on the continent that are driven by urban sprawl right now. Same with the additions. They put up cheap to construct additions under the guise of being minimalist, sleek, and modern
>>248153
Nigger it's literally called brutalism how the fuck is that not dystopian?
>>248516
lmao
there's no way someone could be this dumb
>>246825
>Am I Gaudi yet?
could they have tried any harder?
And failed even harder?
>>248565
penis pinched commie sympathizer detected
>>248621
good to know this board is headed towards /pol/ 2: retard boogaloo
>>240948
To be fair, the Allies had already bombed Königsberg past the stone age by the time it became a Russian possession. True, they didn't rebuild the castle from the pile of rubble it had become, and they certainly raised an abomination over it... but they did rebuild the Königsberger Dom, the beautiful cathedral of the old city, which had likewise been destroyed.
So blame the RAF that blew it to smithereens, and Brezhnev who ordered the remains destroyed and built over.
>>247756
Thanks, vegetation.
Say what you will about "muh azn zen memelosophy" and all but giving water and flora a place even in massively urbanized zones does wonder at making things a bit more humane.
Except if you're in China, but hey, it's hard to grow anything when you have that little oxygen in your CO2
>>238546
Novigrad, in Velen.
>>238693
Oppressive/10 would live there
>>234577
That car park lights up beautifully at night time and with its large combination of colored and programmable lights can be used to express numerous displays.
It is a far greater work of beauty and adaptability than the old hotel.
Brutalism a shit
Fucking commie tasteless rats
Architecture should add to a place and compliment it
>brutalism is so deep you bourgeois just don't understand it
Retards
>>235161
I think this looks cool, aside from the cheap ass plastic crystal on the clock tower. It shouldn't be near a holy site though. Although I do wonder if there is some symbolism behind that. Like Islam should be as accessible as possible to commoners, and that's why the holiest mosque isn't segregated from a bunch of high rises.
>>236989
The Louvre pyramid is beautiful. The contrast between old and modern works, probably because the pyramid is simplistic and doesn't invade the old buildings. Also the Pyramid is an ancient symbol of civilisation and enlightenment that harkens back to the old European reverance of the Egyptians.
>>237020
Ugh, the Gherkin is so ugly and out of place. Paris has a better looking Gherkin in their La Defense. But the Shard and the Cheese grater look even worse I think.
>>247580
>>247556
This is probably my favorite style of architecture, but I don't know what it's called. But I love the curved shapes of the glass and steel beams. Also I love glass ceilings.
>>247574
I don't mind this though, looks cozy. Maybe because I'm from Sweden where an arched ceiling is considered an architectural feat...
>>247250
>Tips fedora
I notice a lot of people in this thread aren't acknowledging the elephant in the room: Practicality.
Modern buildings are designed the way they are because they need the maximum occupancy while keeping cost low. Architects can only work within those requirements. They can't just say "MOAR STONE" any more, there are more considerations than that.
>>249818
Some of them are sure, where housing is concerned anyway, and ironically that's where you find the most neo this or neo that buildings because after all if your city follows an old city plan, you just have to make the façade appealing to fit in.
However the new "monuments" if you could call them as such are an utter waste of space on the contrary, more often than not, just to amplify the feeling of space and grandeur of their interiors at a minimal cost and effort. But in the end, it 's just another example of ressources being wasted.
>>249836
No, they're making the most out of the limited space offered to them in a city. They can't just flatten a load of other buildings, they have to work with what they have. Which means they need to build high. High is safer, easier, and more cost effective when it's done using metal and glass than when it's using a shitload of fucking stone.
Times change. Methods change. Styles change. Live with it.
>>249852
In the outskirts of the city, sure, i don't care as long as they are a speck in the horizon or grouped up together outside the old city.
Problem is where I live, old buildings and gardens are still flattened to make way modern concrete cubes. In the 2000s there was a revival of the city's traditional architecture, mixing in glass and steel with the stone on occasion, and effectively creating a good blend of modern and old. The reason our new mayor has gone on a concrete spree is because she wants to fill commieblock (sorry, "social housing") quotas within the city, it's not a question of styles or methods changing, it's politics.
I don't mind "in your face" modern architecture or skyscrapers much, although I'm sure better alternatives could exist, I just don't want them to JUST old city centers for the sake of a few juicy contracts.
>>248667
This is why I like a lot of Australian cities even when the architecture is uninspiring, they're green places.
>>236989
I like the Louvre.
ITT: Narrow-minded autists. Architecture moves on, get with the times. Keep on jacking off to your Medieval castles. I agree Brutalism was a mistake though, however it can sort of work sometimes, look at the Barbican centre in London.
>>249779
>but I don't know what it's called
Its generally called cast-iron and glass architecture.
Its in the same building system as the old Crystal Palace from the 19th century.
It was a big influence in modern architecture
daily reminder that less is more
posting some Aalto
>>250075
>>243290
Now observe a similar trend developing in microcosm with regards to how people respond to your post.
>>>/8ch/
>>250077
>>250080
Fun fact: During KuK days, Budapest and Vienna were having an architecture-off that lasted for decades. The two cities were trying to outarchitecture one other by building more and more ornate buildings.
[spoiler]Budapest won.[/spoiler]
>>250095
neogothic is disgusting
>>250107
Your opinion is invalid.
>>250120
It is possible to estimate a country's culture by the amount of scrawling on lavatory walls. In children this is a natural phenomenon: their first artistic expression is scribbling erotic symbols on walls. But what is natural for, a Papuan and a child, is degenerate for modern man. I have discovered the following truth and present it to the world: cultural evolution is equivalent to tbe removal of Ornament from articles in daily use. I thought I was giving the world a new source of pleasure with this; it did not thank me for it. People were sad and despondent. What oppressed them was the realization that no new ornament could be created. What every Negro can do, what all nations and ages have been able to do, why should that be denied to us, men of the nineteenth century? What humanity had achieved in earlier millennia without decoration has been carelessly tossed aside and consigned to destruction. We no longer possess carpenters' benches from the Carolingian period, but any trash that exhibited the merest trace of decoration was collected and cleaned up, and splendid palaces built to house it. People walked sadly around the showcases, ashamed of their own impotence. Shall every age have a style of its own and our age alone be denied one? By style they meant decoration. But I said: Don't weep! Don't you see that the greatness of our age lies in its inability to produce a new form of decoration? We have conquered ornament, we have won through to lack of ornamentation. Look, the time is nigh, fulfilment awaits us. Soon the streets of the town will glisten like white walls. Like Zion, the holy city, the metropolis of heaven. Then we shall have fulfillment
>>250123
But there are some pessimists who will not permit this. Humanity must be kept down in the slavery of decoration. People progressed far enough for ornament to give them pleasure no longer, indeed so far that a tattooed face no longer heightened their aesthetic sensibility, as it did with the Papuans, but diminished it. They were sophisticated enough to feel pleasure at the sight of a smooth cigarette case while they passed over a decorated one, even at the same price. They were happy with their clothes and glad that they did not have to walk about in red velvet pants with gold' braid like monkeys at a fair. And I said: look, Goethe's death chamber is more magnificent than all the Renaissance grandeur and a smooth piece of furniture more beautiful than all the inlaid and carved museum pieces. Goethe's language is finer than all the florid similes of the Pegnitz Shepherds.
The pessimist heard this with displeasure and the State, whose task it is to retard the cultural progress of the people, took up the fight for the development and revival of ornament. Woe to the State whose revolutions are made by Privy Councillors! A sideboard was soon on show in the Vienna Museum of Arts and Crafts called 'The Rich Haul of Fish', soon there were cupboards called 'The Enchanted Princess' or something similar, relating to the ornament that covered these unfortunate pieces. The Austrian government takes its task so seriously that it makes sure that puttees do not disappear from the borders of the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy. It forces every civilized twenty-year-old man to wear puttees instead of knitted hose for three years. For every government still labours under the supposition that a nation on a low standard is easier to govern.
>>250125
All right, then, the plague of ornament is recognized by the State and subsidized by State finds. But I look on this as retrogression. I do not allow the objection that ornament heightens a cultivated man's joy in life; I do not allow the objection: 'but what if the ornament is beautiful...' As far as I am concerned, and this goes for all cultivated people, ornament does not give zest to life. If I want to eat some gingerbread, I choose a piece that is quite plain, and not in the shape of a heart or a baby or a horseman, and gilded all over. The man from the fifteenth century will not understand me. But all modem people will. The advocate of ornament believes that my urge for simplicity is equivalent to a mortification of the flesh. No, my dear art school professor, I'm not mortifying myself. I prefer it that way. The spectacular menus of past centuries, which all include decorations to make peacocks, pheasants and lobsters appear even tastier, produce the opposite effect on me. I walk though a culinary display with revulsion at the thought that I am supposed to eat these stuffed animal corpses. I eat roast beef.
The immense damage and devastation wrought on aesthetic development by the revival of decoration could easily be overcome, for no one, not even governments, can arrest the evolution of mankind. It can only be retarded We can wait. But it is a crime against the national economy that human labour, money and material should thereby be ruined. This kind of damage cannot be put right by time.
>>250129
The tempo of cultural progress suffers through stragglers. I may be living in 1908, yet my neighbour still lives in 1900 and that one over there in 1880. It is a misfortune for a country if the cultural development of its people is spread over such a long period. The peasant from Kals lives in the twelfth century. And in the jubilee procession there were contingents from national groups which would have been thought backward even in the period of the migrations of the tribes. Happy the country that has no such stragglers and marauders! Happy America! In our country there are old-fashioned people even in the cities, stragglers from the eighteenth century, who are shocked by a picture with violet shadows because they can't yet see violet. They prefer the pheasant on which the chef has had to work for days, and cigarette cases with Renaissance decoration please them better than smooth ones. And how is it in the country? clothes and furniture belong entirely to earlier centuries. The farmer is not a Christian, he is still a heathen.
>>250132
Stragglers slow down the cultural progress of nations and humanity; for ornament is not only produced by criminals; it itself commits a crime, by damaging men's health, the national economy and cultural development. where two people live side by side with the same needs, the same demands on life and the same income, and yet belong to different cultures, the following process may be observed from the economic point of view: the man from the twentieth century becomes ever richer, the one from the eighteenth ever poorer. I am supposing that each lives according to his inclinations. The twentieth century man can pay for his needs with much less capital and can therefore save. The vegetables he likes are simply boiled in water and then served with a little melted butter. The other man doesn't enjoy them until honey and nuts have been added and someone has been busy cooking them for hours. Decorated plates are very dear, while the plain white china that the modem man likes is cheap. One man accumulates savings, the other one debts. So it is with whole nations. Woe to the country that lags behind in cultural development! The English become richer and we poorer...
Even greater is the damage ornament inflicts on the workers. As ornament is no longer a natural product of our civilization, it accordingly represents backwardness or degeneration, and the labour of the man who makes it is not adequately remunerated.
>>250135
Conditions in the woodcarving and turning trades, the criminally low prices paid to embroiderers and lacemakers, are well known. The producers of ornament must work twenty hours to earn the wages a modern worker gets in eight. Decoration adds to the price of an object as a rule, and yet it can happen that a decorated object, with the same outlay in materials and demonstrably three times as much work, is offered for sale at half the price of a plain object. The lack of ornament means shorter working hours and consequently higher wages. Chinese carvers work sixteen hours, American workers eight. If I pay as much for a smooth box as for a decorated one, the difference in labour time belongs to the worker. And if there were no ornament at all - a circumstance that will perhaps come true in a few millennia - a man would have to work only four hours instead of eight, for half the work done at present is still for ornamentation.
Ornament is wasted labour and hence wasted health. That's how it has always been. Today, however, it is also wasted material, and both together add up to wasted capital.
>>250142
As ornament is no longer organically linked with our culture, it is also no longer an expression of our culture. Ornament as created today has no connection with us, has no human connections at all, no connection with the world as it is constituted. It cannot be developed. What has happened to the decorations of Otto Eckmann and those of Van de Velde? The artist always used to stand at the forefront of humanity, full of health and vigour. But the modem ornamentalist is a straggler, or a pathological case. He rejects even his own products within three years. To cultivated people they are unbearable immediately, others are aware of their unbearableness only after some years. Where are the works of Otto Eckmann today? Where will Olbrich's work be in ten years' time? Modern ornament has no forbears and no descendants, no past and no future. It is joyfully welcomed by uncultivated people, to whom the true greatness of our time is a closed book, and after a short period is rejected.
Mankind today is healthier than ever, only a few people are sick. But these few tyrannize over the worker who is so healthy that he cannot invent ornament. They force him to make the ornaments they have invented in the greatest variety of materials.
Changes in decoration account for the quick devaluation of the product of labour. The worker's time and the material used are capital items that are being wasted. I have coined an aphorism: The form of an object should last (i.e., should be bearable) as long as the object lasts physically. I shall try to clarify this: A suit will change in fashion more often than a valuable fur. A ball gown for a lady, only meant for one night, will change its form more speedily than a desk But woe to the desk that has to be changed as quickly as a ball gown because its shape has become unbearable, for than the money spent on the desk will have been wasted.
>>250150
well, you're a dummy
>this triggers the modernist
>>250167
this looks pretty soulless actually
as bad as most contemporary architecture nowadays.
We're really repeating the late 19th century
>>250178
>>250186
like I said, soulless.
Looks incredibly fake and forced as fuck
If you're gonna post neo-stuff, at least post neo-classic architecture or something
They build a new library at my university. It's an ugly cube that basically houses another cube inside it. Between those cubes they left much free space which they filled with nothing. The first days you could see students sitting between the shelves, because they didn't knew where to sit down. I was one of them.
In the middle you have big ass stairs. If you take the stairs to the left, it will lead you to the second floor. If you take the stairs to the right, it will lead you to the second, third and fourth floor. Why? I don't know. So much for functionality.
>>250075
Based Aalto
>>250197
>soulless
>literally chock a block full of calls to the tradition and heritage of hungary
>>238546
Give me this over Brooklyn anyday.
>>241209
>the plan was for giant freeways to take the workers to their suburban homes
>adelaide
>giant freeways
lmao
Is this when they came up with the genius idea to have a freeway that can only have traffic flowing in one direction?
>>250202
>that retarded nonsensical arrangement of windows
Disgusting.
When brutalism and post-modernism combine, nobody wins.
>>248343
Don't forget about the OCAD building
>>248667
Shouldn't high co2 be good for vegetation though?
>>250125
>glad that they did not have to walk about in red velvet pants
I would drape myself in velvet if it was socially acceptable.
>>248667
Specifically speaking to Japan and Taiwan, I think part of it is because there is so little suitable land to build on so you get vertical cities placed in river valleys, and between mountains.
In Taipei you can go from major metropolitan city to a mountainside with dense tropical forests in the distance of a city block. Even in the heart of downtown you can manage to look between some buildings and see green mountains.
As a culture they also love green spaces and parks, with every neighborhood community having their own that they take care of and maintain.
Also in the case of Taiwan they have shitloads of cheap, quality marble (down south the sidewalks are made of it). That helps to not make everything feel like it was shot out of a concrete mold.
>>250371
>gothic
>hungarian
next youll try to say hungary is know for its high quality olive oil
>>250716
it should, but that was just a way to say the air is way too polluted to get some good vegetation. they try hard to keep Beijing somewhat green because that's part of the town's identity but in the end, the atmospheric pollution in modern chinese cities is very nefast to vegetal life, not that much because of what is in the air but because it blocks a lot of light.
>>237020
This thing looks cool as fuck.
>>250711
This is literally the worst building ever. Ever. Architecture so bad it would make Dutch people cry.
>>251406
It's completely out of place though
>inb4 that's the point
>>250901
Actually Japan has quite a bit of wilderness and empty nature. Most Japanese are downright concentrated in huge cities. Their apartments can be very small, but thanks to amazing city planning it doesn't look like Kowloon City on the outside, but rather clean, inviting and spacious.
>>250711
Holy shit that's disgusting.
I don't like the glass and geometric shapes meme, but at least in general, they TRY to be aesthetically pleasing.
>>251535
But it being out of place is what I find so beautiful.
It looks alien and I like it.
>>248516
It's named after the concrete. It's French.
>>251540
Sure, but look at a map of the country. Mountains, mountains, mountains, cities on the coast, cities in river valleys, more mountains.
So yes there is plenty of undeveloped land, but its not really good for anything but being undeveloped land. The problem of having enough land to grow food and subsist on has always been a limiting factor for the Japanese, and is a big reason they draw so much from the sea.
On top of that mother nature has always been IRL Godzilla for them. Volcanoes, earth quakes, tsunamis, landslides, and typhoons.
But you only see cities start to go vertical when they run out of room to expand laterally. Look at hong kong, or new york versus LA, Beijing, or Houston. Physical boundaries check urban sprawl and force it to go up.
>>251737
I'd say transportation is a greater driver of land use patterns, followed by legislation. The mod of transportation available to a city determines what its citizens find convenient, and thus influences land value. In Japan and New York, land value is highest within walking distance of train and subway stations, so buildings are built more densely there to extract as much of that value as possible.
In contrast, LA had its rail transit system bought and destroyed by GM, replaced by federally subsidized highways. Urban planning that assumes people will drive everywhere leads to land use that forces people to drive everywhere, so mass transit is now barely viable in that city, and people continue to sprawl outwards on the urban frontier as more cul-de-sac subdivisions go up.
In Houston, this process has been exacerbated by policy. While Houston has very permissive zoning laws by American standards, they still require minimum building setbacks, minimum on-site parking, and minimum lot sizes. The highways and flat plains predispose the city to sprawl, but the legal environment makes it a guarantee.
On top of all that, every city in America is incentivized towards low-density sprawl by the Interstate highway system, low gas taxes, and the federal income tax mortgage deduction. The government subsidizes automotive travel and single-family home ownership at the expense of everyone else.
>>250072
If less is more, then why did you post an image of browser-crashing proportions?
>>236989
Architecture done right
>>248814
kek beat me to it
>>247554
>beautiful beaux-arts architecture designed by renowned neo-classical firm McKim, Mead and White torn down barely decades after being constructed and turned into a shitty sports stadium
rip
>>253195
>>253276
also these are some future wank plans submitted for a new Penn Station once Madison Square Garden gtfo's from its current lease
I kinda like it, but its completely infeasible
Best possible architecture for public/government buildings I think.
>>250711
I feel like with some additional exterior and paintwork/material work applied this could look better but dear god right now its just 100% eyesore.
>>248343
wow, Berlin is not looking so good
>>250095
Viennas more refined and less gothic looking architecture is better in my opinion.
>>248343
To be real with you, Toronto has always been a super generic city. There is a reason TV and movies have been using it as a location for every other city on the planet for decades. I like Toronto as a city, and Canadians as a people, but it's meh-tropolis/10.
Compare and contrast to Vancouver, which has very much its own personality (and is used to film for every location they didn't use Toronto for).
>>236942
>big expensive stone buildings with small windows and claustrophobic interiors
>big relatively cheap glass and steal buildings with large glinting windows
Fuck no. The present and future is great.
>>235717
> And setting it up cost less than brick laying,
>implying we couldn't design machines to do that.
>>253513
This machine is witchcraft. We all know it.
>>253418
I really like the contrast here. The modern city in the background makes the castle feel like a timeless piece of the landscape.
>>253541
Yeah Japan is on point with that.
>>253563
Don't forget Grand Central, very claustrophobic
Unlike Penn Stations underground passageways >>247574
mmm yes, very open and majestic
