Why are Asians so good at committing to war?
What makes you think they are?
Overcompensation.
>>377504
they're culturally very strict, rigorous and disciplined in everything they do - specially the japs, hence bushido (prior to the bombings, now they're just lost people with no cultural identity at all - just like the chinks after the communist brainwash)
and that's why they nuked japan - if they didn't the us army would be viciously destroyed if they decided to do a land invasion; even with worse hardware, not very advanced tactics or competent generals they would be dugged in like a tick and probably have deployed an unbreakable steel defense.
so yeah, they very commited to following orders (specially the lowest ranks/common people) too bad the rulling elite usually doesn't deserve them.
>>377548
rekt russia
>>377504
>the us army would be viciously destroyed
Destroyed? No.
Massive Casualties? Perhaps, though Air and Naval Bombardments would be relied on, and far more Japanese civilians would have died.
>and probably have deployed an unbreakable steel defense
In Spirit, at least. The Japanese were so diminished they actually considered use of blackpowder weapons, even bows. Civilians were being taught the use of a spear.
>>377741
That's it?
>>377629
>if they didn't the us army would be viciously destroyed if they decided to do a land invasion
Stop this meme. The high command was ready to surrender but Tojo and his bros were fanatical psychopaths.
>>377815
Exactly, the high command could do nothing
>>377629
>this whole post
>>377504
Easy, the willingness to do whatever it takes to win. Land wars in Asia are extremely brutal affairs, that's why almost every war Westerners have fought in Asia are deeply ingrained in the memory of participating Western nations because they're unaccustomed to the level of violence and brutality common in Asian warfare.
>>377504
>asians
>good a war
oh i b laffin
>you have 10 seconds to list one war china has won that wasn't against itself.
>>377970
Ezy.
Japanese invasion of Korea
>teice
Ming Kotte War
>2000 Chinese led by a guy with no balls beat the entire kingdom of Kotte
some war against the Dutch
>16th century I think
Some more I cant remember.
China only started sucking in the 19th century when they fell behind the West and went through a period of instability.
>>378056
MANCHU FUCKING SHITS
>>377504
They're not really.
It's just that most asian cultures have been nationalistic dictatorships with an absurd amount of power at the top.
It's not that the asians are any better or more committed than any other group of people... It's that their nations are usually led by people who have little regard for the wellfare of their people. You'll find similar traits in fascist Germany or Soviet Russia.
Other nations were just as committed to war but most of them tried not to die for their country but make the other asshole die for his.
>>378056
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koxinga
Koxinga vs. Dutch?
>>377629
>they're culturally very strict, rigorous and disciplined in everything they do
Are you aware that mainland Chinamen exist?
>>378452
>Implying it's not the same shit in the West
Underneath the facade of democracy and "human rights" it's the exact same power structure. Real difference is that Asian culture stresses community and self-sacrifice for the greater good, as opposed to the extreme individualism practiced in the West.
>>378071
>mfw watching some '70s Chinese kung fu film about the Manchu period and every Manchu-related line was some variant of "filthy Manchus!"
>>378528
I'd argue that western civilizations view human lives as a resource and are more economic in their martial pursuits. This is what gives them the upper hand. Death for glorys sake is stupid.
>>378557
>I'd argue that western civilizations view human lives as a resource and are more economic in their martial pursuits.
Then you don't know shit about Eastern civilizations because they have the exact same attitude.
>Death for glorys sake is stupid.
Glory in death was vogue in the West until the mid 20th century thanks for WWII.
>>378578
Death in combat was the greatest honor achievable by the bushido code of the japanese.
>>377741
Relevant pic
You're still wrong though
>>377629
>if they didn't the us army would be viciously destroyed
toppest kek
The only reason the US nuked Japan is because they wanted to finish the war a bit sooner, and didn't really "give a damn about gooks".
Dedication doesn't win wars. Superior equipment does.
>>379293
You mean the code nobody gave a shit about but romantic WWII leaders used to drum up morale?
>>377504
Opium wars anyone. Seriously asains record against Europeans is no better than anyone else's apart from Japan which through a combination of the situation in Japan and its culture was able to westernize very quickly. Japan was no more commited to ww2 than germany, soviets, america, or the empire. Who won?
>>377504
Projection. We're just as good if not better.
>>377970
Vietnam.
>but they just violated a treaty
It was technically a war of attrition
>>377948
Apart from us Brits. OPIUM WARS! FUCK YEAH!
>>377970
The one where they beat Xiongnu's ass
>>377970
>Tibet
>Caliphate
>Vietnam
>>379356
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_holdout
>adamantly doubted the veracity of the formal surrender due to strong dogmatic or militaristic principles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_holdout
>adamantly doubted the veracity of the formal surrender due to strong dogmatic or militaristic principles
Bonsai charges come to mind, however im not entirely sure what the connection is with that and Bushido.
i was never sure if these principles came from the Bushido code or if they came from the praise and faith of their "god emperor"
>>378513
>not strict, rigorous and disciplined
Your /pol/ worldview doesn't match reality. You don't rise out two hundred years of civil war and become an economic power house if you're not strict and disciplined.
![intelligent-design[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/QRMltA2.gif "intelligent-design[1].gif")
>>379312
>unleashing the most powerful weapon in the history of mankind
>changing the way war was made from that point on
>used out of boredom because meh they're so shitty they don't even deserve our attention :\
us schooling at its best
>>379439
The Bushido of the WWII period was more a creation of Japanese nationalists using very selective readings of Japanese history and samurai philosophy to convince thousands of peasants to join the army and fight for the emperor.
>>379312
I have always thought sending a message to the Soviets was a large part in the nuking since Japan seemed ready to surrender as long as they kept Hirohito.
Because you only the remember the ones that are good and forget the rest
>>377629
>if they didn't the us army would be viciously destroyed if they decided to do a land invasion
You do realize we had thousands of men well fed and well armed while Japan was training starving women and children with bamboo sticks.
They had no food, no weapons, no fighting spirit, rebellion was immanent.
Truman knew this, But, but we needed to show the Reds who was boss, this is why Stalin got all pissy when Truman Met with ol' Winny and "forgot" to keep The Soviet in the loop.
>>379367
No there were plenty of instances before the Victorian era where Europeans got too uppity in Asia and got their shit pushed in by the local powers. Western history books are just too embarrassed to talk about them.
>>379439
I suggest you look up the actual history of Bushido instead of using it in the context of a popular meme. It's nothing more than a modern invention adopted by the nationalist movement in Japan to boost morale. It never existed in the time of the samurai.
>>379383
What is Afghanistan
>>379537
It wasn't even created by the nationalists, it was created by a Japanese-Anglophile who mixed Japanese and Christian beliefs to make Japan more appealing and less foreign to Westerners.
Only central Asians are good at war, desu. The other Asians are too beta to be effective.
>inb4 some retard says japan
Japan has been castrated and the men now look and act like chicks.
>>379293
One asian country, and bushido was a concept mostly unique to the samurai class. Average line infantry wouldn't have given many shits during, say, the russo-japanese war.
>>379403
the caliphate won at Talas though
For you.
>>379383
What are your wars against the Mughals.
>>379566
and then communism died by itself. kek
>>377504
>Minamoto in 12th century
>Temujin in 13th century
>Simo Häyhä in 1939
>Khmer Empire in 12th century
The Asians weren't only the Japs, can we talk about others?
>>380560
>Simo
>>378578
>Then you don't know shit about Eastern civilizations because they have the exact same attitude.
Broadly speaking, no they don't. In fact, many eastern cultures (i'm specifically thinking of the Japanese here, I guess) viewed human life as something to be thrown at the enemy at immense casualties because of lack of other resources. They actively promoted the myth of sacrifice. As did Germans, of course, in the same war.
They believed that society is literally more substantial than they were individually on a metaphysical level and took it too deeply to heart.
>>381794
No your knowledge of Eastern cultures is based on Western misconceptions and lack of understanding of Asia, based on poor observations and perceived in a more critical light because of the foreign nature of the East. You see Asian culture through an ethnocentric viewpoint and therefore flawed.
The reality is Asian cultures were no more callous at throwing away human lives than Europe was and the immense causalities of land wars in Asia is due to the fact that the region has always had a larger population than Europe and therefore could field larger armies.
> (i'm specifically thinking of the Japanese here, I guess) viewed human life as something to be thrown at the enemy at immense casualties because of lack of other resources.
Stop using WWII Japan as an example, an aberration is not reflective of an entire group. Bushido is a modern invention and if you've actually read anything on the samurai you'd know that many samurai clans didn't believe in ritual suicide and recklessly throwing away the lives of men.
>>382948
The only good post in this thread
