What is your favorite Italian city state?
Venice
Piedmont/Savoy.
I like how they became known as the land of backstabbing diplomats as they were seen by both the HRE and France as their puppet and just had to choose the side that would not kill them.
My family is from Trieste though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT8dNkD-Byc
>>16358
Florence was pretty based
>>16358
Genoa
>Fucking Venetians never forget War of Chioggia!
Pisa was the cutest city-state. They started out as a contender, but they ended up as Florence's bitch. They bungled up their tower, too. They're the Weegee of Italy.
>>16358
papal state best state
>>16423
>Piedmont/Savoy.
None of those is a city state, or a city.
>>16358
I love them all desu, Milan and Florence are top tier though
![venice1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/VqAMojd.jpg "venice1[1].jpg")
>>16358
So many of them are wonderful, but it has to Venice doesn't it? What could possibly compare?
Can anyone spoon feed me Milan during that era? I actually know every little about it.
On the OP: I believe it's Florence. being the center of the Italian renaissance it fully expressed what Italians are capable of and just feel like the 'most Italian' to me, if that makes sense.
Venice was quite important to but I mostly remember it for it's trading influence.
>>16358
Genoa salami is pretty good.
>>16358
Venice because it triggers the Byzantophiles.
>>16358
Sicily
Thanks to the Mafia it was probably one of the only places in Europe (in the past) where the working class could rise. I don't know why but i've always loved the idea of meritocracy
>>16358
Papal States are GOAT. Venice is runner up.
Venice. Both a functioning republic and the greediest backstabbers around. /pol/s image of the Jews has nothing on the (quite Christian, if loving money more than the Pope) Venetians.
Milan of course. Its not like they backstabbed anyone.
Pisa and Sienna are standout performers.
>>16358
Bologna
>1325 never forget
>Modena please gib back bucket
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Bucket
>>16358
Venice is obligatory
but Papal States is easily the best, just for what it claims to represent.
>>16864
George Soros trying to undermine the EU's economy in the pursuit of wealth trumps whatever the Venetians did
Florence
>>16358
For some reason I like Modena and Mantova, it's cool that they managed to survive for that long
Florence I guess
>>16358
idk, Is Amalfi considered Italian or Greek?
>>16864
>whole population excommunicated
>stole a corpse and put it in pig meat so muslims wouldn't check
>>16358
Amafi
>>16358
Milan or Venice.
>>16358
Venice
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>>16358
It's not a city-state, but the Sicilian kingdom I have always loved.
>>16760
>Can anyone spoon feed me Milan during that era? I actually know every little about it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Milan
A city-state opposed to the HRE that morphed into a dynastic state under the Visconti and then the Sforza condotierris, which was invaded into the Italian Wars and ultimately became part of the Habsburg Empire.
>>16358
Florence
Venice.
Genua delenda est.
>>16864
Nah /pol/ already beat you to it.
>>16358
San Marino, because it existed and just kept on existing more or less unchanged from then until now.
>>18114
You know nothing of the wiles of the Venetians. Their crowning achievement was the 4th crusade, for which they were excommunicated to a fucking man. And that was simply a particularly egregious example of their usual bullshit.
ducato di milano ftw
>>17201
>Modena won the Battle of Zappolino (the only battle of the war), and the bucket remains in Modena to this day.
fuck city states
PADANIA LIBERA
>>24677
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-hA5YgsZ7s
>>18211
Based florence
>>16358
Milan is the most beautiful city in Europe,it makes Paris look like Detroit.
Venezia a bestenzia, btfoing Ottomans and HRE at the same time
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Does anybody know any good books about it?
>>24845
Their technology is also top tier,their landsubs are revolutionary in wars against landlocked countries.
>>24973
kek
it was for a commercial
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doXqqiqV7vI
>>24882
City of Fortune: How Venice Ruled the Seas
>>16358
VENICE :DDD
>>16760
The duke Visconti died in 1447 so the Milanese declared a republic and fought all comers until a mecenary captin seized power.
Is Ragusa considered Croatian or Italian?
>Ragusa
>Italian
>>25378
It's Croatian, it was an independent republic but it's population consisted of Croatians unlike some cities in Dalmatia and Istria which had a mixed Italian/Croatian population.
>>16760
unfortunately, with the exception of rome, florence and venice, most scholarship on the other renaissance city-states is in Italian. Its especially ashame that Milan is not the focus of anglo-american scholarship because it was a huge played in italian renaissance politics baka senpai
>>16828
sicily wasn't a city-state ya dingus
>>18211
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that looks nothing like lorenzo de medici lmfao
>>25958
>spot the groat
R A G U S A
They did nothing wrong
They just wanted to trade and shit until fucking Napoleon annexed them, and after 1815 were given to Austria.
Has to be Venice.
The True heirs of Italy
Venice is the comfiest.
>>16423
No, city state, and in general is difficult use the term city state to describe everywhere and everytime prior the unification.
>>16358
San Marino, the only one left, besides the Vatican I guess. Oldest state still in existence, a a writte, republican constitution older than the U.S's
>Florence
>Venice
>Milan
fucking plebs
Rome is the only based city state in Italy
Da POPE will smite you with his holy army and besides it played a role in enforcing God's will in Italy! Habemus Papam!
>>30368
>San Marino
Isn't San Marino some ultra rich state just like Monaco?
>>30464
You sound like a 14 year old poltard irish/italian american
>>16358
wait so when did the italians get Sardinia?
>>30464
Pope is okay, but you can't let God overshadow things that actually matter in life, my edgy lad.
t. a true Catholic
>>31191
in 1720 it became part of Savoy
>>31191
in 1720 it was given to savoy
>>16358
Florence
>>30960
I think so, but it's fucking old, Allegedly founded in the 4th century AD.
>>16358
Florence. Based evil bankers.
>>16358
>Picking any but Florence
Although Venice was also rather badass.
>>21541
I agree, and I think that the existence of ancient micronations in europe, was planned by many states to have areas to do buffer affairs. From a logical point of view is a non sense, because is accepting that a little country that talk your language, with people that have a job in your country, married with people of your country, that receive all resources for survival from your country, that share laws, etc... can have citizen with a different treatment only because are a different country de jure but not de facto.
>>16358
I'm gonna have to go with Venice or Florence
>>19139
>be italian
>switch side
>>16358
No Visconti controlled Milan? I am ashamed...
