>Nationalism
>Religion
>Race
>Gender
>Government
>Property
>Rights
>Morality
Wew lad.
>>1422952
Rights don't exist?
Sweet. Then the genocides of history were OK
>But that's Genocide!
Hahaha, just a spook
>>1422956
>Then the genocides of history were OK
Well the people getting genocide'd didn't think so.
>>1422952
>contrarianism
Wew lad.
>>1422978
>It is contrary to general consensus therefore it is wrong
Slow down there, fella.
>national borders
Gets me every time
>>1422952
>Nationalism
>Religion
>Race
>Gender
Pretty ironic considering spookposters only hate straight white christian men and are fine with everyone else staying spooked.
>>1422993
Nah, all nationalists and religious people are equally spooked. Some are spooked by these without even being nationalists or religious. Race in general is a spook that's not really specific to anyone.
Feminists however historically seem to know what's up.
>>1422993
Says who? You?
Kill yourself.
>>1422993
>Straight
You've reminded me of another great spook
>Sexuality
>>1422993
says who nigger
>>1422970
Too bad for them.
>>1423018
Now you get it.
>>1422956
>If Rights don't exist, then the Genocides of history were OK
Demonstrate how you arrived at this statement.
>>1423056
there is no morality and no rights so you dont have the right to life and you have no moral ground to argue otherwise
>>1423000
Hahahah
Hahahahahahhaahha
Hahahahahahahahahhahahahahah
Is this why they are completely missing the point nowadays? To make up for lost time being wrong?
lol dude concepts are not real am I being deep yet
>>1423070
>Is this why they are completely missing the point nowadays? To make up for lost time being wrong?
u wot?
>>1423061
I don't want to get killed therefore my continued existence is justified.
Spooks server a purpose. Now you can argue the value of a spook but just calling something a spook does not nullify it.
>>1423077
>server
god dammit
SPOOOOOOOK
>>1423094
i second this
>>1423076
I really want to kill you, so my desire is justified
Hitler did nothing wrong
>>1423116
Now you get it.
>>1423094
>anti-white
top spook.
Communism failed, deal with it.
>>1423189
All the more reason to try harder next time.
>>1423189
>Stirner=communism
Wew lad.
>>1423224
Stirner's philosophy is basically libertarian/anarchism/nihilism but for some reason communists and tankies from /leftypol/ have latched onto him.
>>1422956
They're weren't OK, but they weren't not OK either. They simply were, and the judgement of the matter belongs entirely to the individual.
There are sound, egoistic reasons to not consider genocide OK (the most basic is empathy, though a more distant one is that a society that considers genocide OK is a society more likely to genocide any particular individual).
This is something people miss about Stirner's thinking. You're totally valid in making moral judgements or holding dear ideas, they're just not something with external validity.
>>1423233
Tankies generally don't like Stirner. Some other communists do but generally they ignore the moralistic premises that communism holds.
Is there any single "best"/most accurate translation of The Ego and Its Own?
>>1422952
But
>Racism
>Internationalism
>Collectivism
>Feminism
Are undeniable fundamental truths according to Stirnerfags, so I've noticed...
>>1423288
They aren't, they're spooks too.
But perhaps spooks you're better off consciously choosing.
>>1423288
>Collectivism
wut
Stirner is as individualistic as you can possibly get.
>>1423189
I make sure to commie it up because fuck you shitheads go back to /pol/
All you fascist bound to lose
>>1423326
>All you fascist bound to lose
I find it hilarious that commies think the enemy is "fascism".
>>1423331
On 4chan it generally is.
>lol fuck everyone and everything it's just spooks XDDDDD
>well better start a milk shop to make money in this spooked world
>whoops! It failed, but who cares, milk shopsbare a spook
>well denbts collector is here, better change my name again because money is a spook topkek lol XD
>well I'm poor, lonely and starving, but who cares society is a spook toppity kek rofl
>le me is ded
>le me is sad ;_;
>oh wait, sadness is a spook!
Why was Stirner such a pathetic human being and generally a societal tumor, coz he a strong independent boi and he ansur 2 no man coz man be spooks nigguh
>>1423094
>anti-whites
2spooky4me
>>1423338
You think you have "enemies" on 4chan? On an anonymous cambodian basket weaving newsletter?
How fucking stupid are you? I bet you wear Che Guevara T shirts and pretend as if you're some kind of revolutionary.
>>1423354
The tankies and anarkiddies that infest /his/ genuinely believe everyone who disagrees with them are fascists.
>>1423357
I guess since leftism is now the common orthodoxy they have to hunt for "fascists" wherever they can find them (or think they find them).
>>1423360
>Anarchism and communism
>Common orthodoxy
>sage
>>1423354
Yes.
Everyone on here who disagrees with me and makes posts I don't like is my nemesis. Including all /pol/yps.
>>1423006
That drawing of Stirner was literally done by Engels.
>>1423342
Sounds like he was living the life when you put it that way.
>>1423373
Engels and Marx are different people, you know.
They're not conjoined at the hip.
>>1423365
Go to any american college campus and tell people you're a communist. Now do the same telling all people you're a nazi.
>Individualism
>Self
>Anarchy
>Great man theory
>>1423399
>It's more socially acceptable than Nazism
>Therefore it is common orthodoxy
>>1423414
Yes, that's the definition of "common orthodorxy".
>>1423420
>Yes, that's the definition of "common orthodorxy".
>>1423445
>I'm just going to greentext because I've been BTFO.
>>1423420
I don't know if you are trolling or actually believe this statement
>>1423453
>look my special snowflake is so revolutionary that it's widely accepted and even preached by all my college professors!
>I'm such a rebel!
>>1422952
>meme
Wew lad.
>nothing is real because I say so arn't I helpful and intelligent :^)
>>1423459
Where the fuck do you live that Communism is 'widely accepted'?
>>1423470
California.
>>1423470
He doesn't even know what the word orthodoxy means.
>>1423094
>he participates in identity politics
>>>/tumblr/
>>1423420
My Ass English Dictionary
Common Orthodoxy
Adjective
More socially acceptable than Nazism.
>>1423479
Newsflash : you're not counterculture.
If communism is common orthodoxy then how come like nowhere on Earth is communist?
>>1423342
>failed milkshop business
>translates a capitalist book to survive
>dies of an insect bites
I don't see the potential of this meme character
>>1423519
Because communism doesn't work. Doesn't prevent braindead retards from peddling it.
>>1423528
But surely if it was popular enough to be orthodoxy it would be the ruling doctrine of society.
As a matter of fact I'm quite positive being the ruling doctrine is literally what orthodoxy means.
>>1423513
Just because they're not as fringe as you doesn't mean Che shirts made in China sold at Hot Topic aren't counter culture.
>>1423224
Most Stirner fanboys are communists who realized their ideology is a failure, but don't want to admit it, so they call everything non-communist a "spook" and try to convince everyone to adopt communism on that basis.
>>1423566
Egoist anarchism is pretty communist-y, but that's because a society where everyone pursues their self-interest would more closely resemble communism than capitalism.
>>1423519
It depends on your definition of communism.
If you define communism as communists define their own ideology, the common ownership of the means of production, then nowhere on earth is communist.
But if you analyse communism as an historical phenomenom, like we do with every other ideology (nowhere takes Filmer definitions seriously when discussing the divine rights of kings, for example), then we will realize that communism historically is not an economical system, but a political and cultural situation where every single aspect of society is under control of the communist party.
Now, if we take the Gramscian definition of the communist party as the collective of the organized intelligentsia, then it's argable that the entire Western world is communist, since every most aspects of society, from politics to culture, passing through societal norms, is determined by the approval or disapproval of the intelligentsia through their control of universities. The only single aspect of society that escapes their grasp is economics, and they are so used to have absolute power that they consider this relative lack of power over economic matters as proof they have no power at all.
>>1423574
And communism failed. The last attempt, Venezuela, was praised by every single leftist in 2006, and it's now experiencing shortages and starvation.
Just admit it and stop hiding before "muh spook" bullshit.
>>1423586
>Venezuela
>Attempt at communism
I think you're reaching a bit there.
In any case I'm not a communist.
>>1423475
can't confirm this tbqh
>>1423579
But very few places in the planet are under the control of a communist party.
>>1423094
Nah they are just anti-you
rejecting everything without physical presence as a spook is the ultimate spook desu
Its easy to brag about not believing in spooks when you live in a society built and preserved by them.
>>1422956
There was literally nothing wrong with the Holocaust you mron
>>1423634
But, that's the exact opposite of a spook.
>>1423651
>society
Biggest spook of all right there.
>>1423659
Yet you Stirnerfaggots continue to leech off of it.
Spookleeches.
>>1423676
There are those who are slaves to spokes and those who are masters of spooks, my property.
>>1423676
>Not being a leech
Woah, how spooked do you have to be.
>>1422952
Here's some more while you're at it.
>Morality
>Culture
>Philosophy
>Logic
>Reason
>literature
>History
>Russian Grammar
>Purpose
Wwwwweeeeew lllllaaad
>>1423681
And then there are the masters who attempt to become as independent as possible from the spooks.
A spook master is not a master.
>>1423683
>being dependent on the spook
wew lad
>>1423708
NEETbux are no spook. They're right there, as real as the ground you walk on.
Furthermore I don't wanna be a primmie, so I have to choose which spooks I'm going to buy into. Will I be spooky wagecuck? Or will I be spooky leech?
The choice is clear.
>>1423719
Bux by definition are a spook. They're a spook that everyone else believes in and translate into being able to get real things, like milk, which is not a spook.
>>1423729
Currency as a concept is indeed a spook. However money itself isn't a spook, I can pick up the nice printed note in my hand and feel it.
Yeah some people are willing to give me stuff in exchange for the notes, how convenient for me that everyone wants the money I get for free.
>>1423734
>However money itself isn't a spook, I can pick up the nice printed note in my hand and feel it.
Not the way the world is going, me lad. Soon your neetbux will be ones and zeros. We're heading into full spookdom.
>>1423752
Maybe so, but in the meantime my neetbux are free coupons for stuff.
Stirner was a mistake.
>>1423778
Stirner was the best thing to happen to the world ever.
He's like Jesus.
>>1423006
Stirner was a Socialist.
>>1423811
No he fucking wasn't, I already debunked this ridiculous statement yesterday (you are probably the same guy)
>>1423813
Do you have a single fact to back that up?
>>1423813
Err, yes he was.
>>1423816
Mate, you don't have a single fact to back up that Stirner was a socialist, therefore he was not a socialist.
>>1423824
>Quotes from Stirner pointing out that if workers were to act in their interest (aka be egoists) then socialism would ensue aren't facts.
>>1423824
That has absolutely nothing to do with being a socialist you simple minded fool. He is just stating that if people decided to stop labour, the state is lost.
He is stating this, he is not calling for this to happen. Here is the vital mistake you are making.
>>1423828
Who are you quoting?
>>1423831
Abraham Lincoln.
>>1423830
Yes, but what he's observing is that if they decided to follow his philosophy then it's what would happen. The result of a popular acceptance of his philosophy is socialism in his own words.
>>1423830
>you simple minded fool
>>1423844
Here, in non-meme format.
>>1423844
Lmao.
Listen laddie whether you want to believe it or not I can assume you that wasn't me yesterday. Stirner is accepted as a socialist by many people. I'm sorry you can't accept the fact that there's more than one person on all of /his/ who knows this too.
>>1423852
Assure you*
>>1423860
Yes, it does. It's a more wordy way of saying "To act in your self-interest is to seize the means of production".
>>1423866
It literally says 'if labour becomes free, the state is lost'
it does not say 'if labour becomes free, the state becomes socialist'
just stop it with your nonsense
>>1423860
Deny this
http://anarchism.pageabode.com/afaq/secG6.html
>>1423873
And what does it mean for labour to become free
>they would only have to stop labour, regard the product of labour as theirs, and enjoy it.
The state doesn't need to be socialist, under Stirner's philosophy it shouldn't exist. But socialism doesn't need a state to exist.
>>1423873
>Insisting everything be spelled out word for word
Not that guy but this is serious autism
>>1423881
He's probably an American or a /pol/tard that thinks socialism/communism means totalitarian dictatorship where everything is redistributed equally among everyone.
>>1423888
>Insists for an article about Stirner being a Socialist
>Gets one
>Refuses to read it
>>1423888
It means workers own the means of production.
Stirner has some rather unorthodox views on property, which extends to the private ownership of capital. Capitalism, and the private property it is based on, it a spook.
>>1423888
Socialism is the worker control of the means of production
>>1423888
>Socialism needs a state to exist
>>1423912
Stirner doesn't exactly call for anything, that's not really his style. He's pointing out what would be the logical move were you to accept his viewpoint. In this case saying that were the workers of the world to accept his viewpoint, they would unite (for lack of a better word) and seize the means of production.
>>1423917
He doesn't call out for anything, because he doesn't believe in anyone but himself. You can't perform socialism on your own, you need other people for this. Therefore an egoist is not a socialist.
>>1423071
>I still don't understand Stirner
>>1422952
>>1422952
>race
>gender
>spook
biology is not a spook
continental philosophers are so fucking retarded
its really sad watching the left forced to squirm on the floor with a broken back.
they are so desperate to support leftism that they are willing to undo 10,000 years of human history, flatly deny science, and undo the foundations of civilization.
its just pathetic to watch
>>1423897
>Socialism is the worker control of the means of production
Only in capitalism can a worker own the means of production, because in capitalism the state doesn't stop anyone from owning a means of production.
In a socialistic society the state will inevitably own the means of production, as is evidenced by any state that has called itself socialist since the beginning of the 21st century.
>>1424294
since the beginning of the 20th century*
>>1422952
Trans-Afrikaans
Peruvian Buddhist
Human
Loli (male)
US government
My house in ohio
US constitutional rights
Chaotic neutral
Who /stirner poster but hates niggers/ here?
>>1424283
it can work, just for the advantage of the few, and intelligence to back as perpetual as you can argumentum ad baculum, which you can achieve by selective breeding & epigenetics, with enough snowball of capitalfrom le past
>>1424307
Niggers = spooks
Is personal property a spook?
>>1422952
>ctrl+f
>type in spook
>6,000,000 results
Wheter Stiner was a socialist himself is irrelevant. His fans in the 21st century are socialists, and more than that, they approached Stirner exactly because of that socialism.
As I said, it's basically.
>"Marxism-Leninism and dialectical materialism are the foundations for a scientific worldview of mankind and it's place in history. Socialist countries are on the right side of history and Stalin is the leader of Progressive Mankind.
>Socialism fails
>E-everything is a spook anyways
>>1424466
Only other peoples
>>1422956
There is no concept of 'ok' since OK derives from one's perception of morality.
Since morality doesn't exist, they were neither OK nor bad. They simply happened.
>>1423824
This has nothing to do with Socialism. This can be true in a purely capitalistic society. The people have as much power as they think they do. If all the Walmart workers, for instance, stopped working, Walmart's American market would crumble within a week.
>>1423923
You can't have a party on your own either, this is not to say anyone who goes to parties is not an egoist.
The point of egoism isn't to be a totally atomized individual who shuns any co-operation or involvement with anyone else. The case for the overwhelming majority of the world's population is that co-operating with fellow proles to overthrow the state and the capitalist system would be in their self-interest whether or not they realize it, whether or not they choose to take this opportunity may be of no concern to an egoist. But were enough people to be egoists there would be literally no reason not to embrace socialism.
>>1424283
Having a penis is not a spook.
Being white is not a spook.
The societal emphasis that is placed on these things however is a spook.
>>1424294
>own
Notice how I never said "own" or "a worker", I said "control" and "the workers". If someone owns the means of production like property then clearly it is they who control it and not the workers.
Additionally
>In a socialistic society the state will inevitably own the means of production
>the state
You see, that's the point of contention. There shouldn't be a state and we certainly shouldn't be listening to fucking Lenin like every 20th century abortion of a state.
>>1424491
>People recognize they're wrong and revise their opinions
>This is bad for some reason
Assuming your strawman is true I still don't get your point.
>>1425356
But they never engaged in self-criticism of their public support for genocidal regimes either. They just changed the subject. You see the same in much of Latin American left. 10 years ago it was praising the Bolivarian Revolution in Venezuela and advocating the adoption of similar policies in countries like Argentina and Brazil. Now that Venezuela is completely fucked up and it's people are starving, they just talk about feminism, anti-racism and gay rights activism instead.
It's not that they revised their opinions, but they bury their previous fuck-ups under change of rhetorics, and that's why Stirner means for some Western leftists.
>>1424466
Le capitalism spook
>>1424491
Democracy failed several times too.
>>1423816
What about the chapter in his fucking book where he calls socialists a bunch of spooky ragamuffins
>>1424283
Having a penis or a vagina is not a spook.
What's a spook is thinking that liking penises as a man or vaginas as a woman is "wrong"
>>1423811
yeahhhhh niggaaaaaaaa you dabbin some dank shit
>>1425842
That's because utopian socialists were a bunch of spooky ragamuffins. Socialism is not really a coherent ideology or system, and it especially was not before Marx.
>>1422956
Rights are literally just opinions. And you assuming that genocides are "okay" is missing the point, the concept of "ok" is a spook, and when you take all spooks away all you're left with is everything being neutral. Genocide is just something that happened because some people decided it should, while a bunch of other people think it shouldn't happen.
>>1423094
>being this paranoid
>>1423331
>implying fascists aren't the enemies of commies
>>1423452
>him greentexting makes him a retard but I can greentext without being a retard because I'm being *~~IRONIC~~*
>>1424283
Race and gender are not inherent biological things, rather they're categorical classifications based on biological patterns.
>>1424298
>he thought the op was a form to fill out
>>1425855
>Letting your property dictate rules to you
>not a spook.
Haunting.
>>1425761
>They didn't engage in public self-criticism sessions.
Maoists, please go.
>>1424466
Everything opposed to the political desires of the communist intelligentsia is a spook according to Stirnerites.
>>1423338
most of 4chan is not even serious about what they say and it is an insignificant portion of the population as well.
>>1425761
>and that's why Stirner means for some Western leftists.
Says who? You?
>>1424013
apparently the meme spouters do not either
>>1426068
>political desires
>communist intelligentsia
Nice spooks.
>identity politics
>government
>political politics
>race
>everything
No meme but you are really fucking spooked, you dumb shits.
>>1423342
To be fair the milk shop failed because people were seriously too spooked to walk in because they thought it was above them.
Today I met with my undergraduate advisor to discuss my major, or lackthereof. I still haven't declared anything. For the past two and a half years I've taken six courses per semester across a wide variety of fields. Mathematics, thermodynamics, film analysis, fiction writing, philosophy, middle eastern history, native american history, linguistics, german language, cognitive psychology. Whatever seemed interesting I'd take it. I aced every class that I didn't drop, always for being too boring.
My professor said, "What the hell do you want to do, though?"
I said, "I don't know. Go to the woods. Write stories and paint. I like animals. Maybe I'll adopt a raccoon or something."
"But realistically," he said, "What do you see yourself doing five years from now?"
"I don't know. Why would I care about that? If there were something I wanted to do five years from now, why don't I just start doing it now?"
"That's exactly my point. You need to find something to focus on, and start focusing on it now. With a job market like this, you need at least a year's worth of internship to get hired at any decent company."
"I refuse to work for any company."
"What?"
"I will not work any job where a manager dictates what I may do and how I may do it, and I refuse to take any managerial position. I work alone, on my own terms, at my own pace."
"The real world doesn't work like that."
"Fine. I have no interest in the real world anyways. I think I'll go into the woods after all."
Dumb spook could barely even speak. Not that I would have cared what he had to say. I was already writing my manuscript in my head while filling out the forms to drop out of that spookhouse.
>>1423657
lol
think we need a world filter for spook it is a shit memespout. How about you use your big boy words to explain things.
>>1425982
>Race and gender are not inherent biological things, rather they're categorical classifications based on biological patterns.
So therefore completely logical?
>>1425761
this post is very good
>>1426229
things are spooks
no need to explain
>>1422952
You forgot democracy.
Democracy is the biggest spook of them all.
How do I start a milk shop?
>>1426270
Hmm, that's true but it basically comes under the government spook banner.
>Random Stirner shitpost
>Almost 200 replies
Classic /his/.
>>1426247
>logic
SPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK
