Was Allah a god from the pre-Islamic Arabian pantheon?
No, he was the primary deity of the Hebrew pantheon.
Allah is literally the arabic word for god
So unless the pre-islamic arabs had a god called "God" in their pagan pantheon, I doubt it
>>1409887
>So unless the pre-islamic arabs had a god called "God" in their pagan pantheon, I doubt it
Greeks had so - Zeus is actually etymological cognate od Theos. Same with Germanics and Tyr (derived from Tiwaz - god). Or Slavs with Dazbog (literally god-giver).
>>1409877
No he's the Abrahamic god. Mohammad was familiar with christianity
Islam was founded by followers of Judaism who lived in Saudi Arabia, basically the Arabic equivalent of Mormonism, only it got a lot more popular since its leaders were warlords.
Allah=al-Ilah=The God
Same etymological root as Eloh (known in its plural form Elohim) and El.
Sage for stupid thread.
>>1409902
There's also the Canaanite/Hebrew El.
Yes
He is the beast that was, and is, not.
>>1409902
No, Zeus and Tyr come from PIE *dyew- 'sky, heaven', theos comes from *dʰeh1- 'to do, put, place'', and Slavic daz- from *doh3- 'to give'
>>1409877
No, Allah is the God of Jews and Christians
All theories that Allah is secretly a pre-islamic God (which doesnt even begin to make sense, how you can be secretly believing in something you don't know you believe, if you as a Muslim believe Allah is the same god as Christians, then it is, origin regardless) have no weight behind them and are all put forward by extremely bias Christians.
Allah means God and Mohammad reformed pagan Arab to monotheism.
>>1409974
sup ahmed
>>1409981
Sup retarded christcuck.
t. not him
>>1409981
My names Robert and I'm Chinese Agnostic.
>>1409985
You're rude and should work on your vocabulry
>>1409877
It literally means god in arabic
Why the fuck is this even debatable?
>>1409877
Yes. He was the chief rock god of the Ka'abah among a patheon of 360 others. He is now just another name for the god of Abraham
Fun Fact: Muhammad included Manat, Uzza and Lat (traditionally the three daughters of pagan Allah) as the new Allah's intercessors briefly in the Quran to please the Quraysh idolators before removing it and blaming their inclusion on Satan casting words on his tongue
>>1410089
Because it bothers the Christians.
>>1410090
I bet that'd make an interesting and popular book, ever thought about writing about these satanic verses?
>>1410090
interesting. source?
>>1410089
Well desu the ancient finnish pantheon had a god called "jumala" which would later on turn to be the literal word for God.
Similar to how Christians appropriated the earlier name Yahweh for their Greek-influenced deity, Muslims appropriated the earlier name Allah for their Christianity-influenced deity. The Allah of pre-Islamic arabian paganism shares little in common with the Allah of Islam except for the name.
>>1410089
It didn't use to mean god, it was a personal name before Arabs coopted Biblical theology.
>>1409929
spot on, goodman
>mohomed was adopted by a tribe of jews, and lived with them
>mohomed lived as an unconverted jew and learned from his jewish adopted family
>he prayed together with his adopted jewish family
>the jews had an empire in arabia known as himyar
>jews were a majority populace in arabia and were numerous
>most arabians can trace their ancestry to arabian jewish tribes/clans, much like the saudi royal family
in those days, the jews of arabia have been trying to fill the void of power between the romans and persians, for quite some time and have planned for a resurgent jewish empire. the talmudist community achieved that with neo-talmudism (islam)
scholars have made extensive comparative studies and have shown commonality between Islamic teachings with what is in the Talmud and concluded that the Prophet took a major portion of his teachings, if not all, from this literature.
>>1411799
Mohammed was influenced by Christianity more than Judaism, hence the fact he included Jesus as a prophet (considered a monumental heretic by the Jews) and the entire apocalyptic nature of islam with end of the world, heaven and hell.
>>1411799
That's too extreme. He definitely had a lot of contact with Jews and Christians since he knew so much about those religions but to say Jews were the majority is wrong. They were a significant minority, there were tribes which were entirely Jewish or Christian, but they were not the majority of tribes.
>>1409877
"Allah" isn't a name, it just means "the god". Probably, the god in question is El, the supreme deity of the region since very ancient times.
>>1410395
>it was a personal name before Arabs coopted Biblical theology
Then why christian arabs in muhammad time use له;
>>1411976
Because they took it from muslims. Might as well ask why do Syrians or Tunisians speak Arabic to begin with.
>>1411979
>Might as well ask why do Syrians or Tunisians speak Arabic to begin with.
Syrians spoke Arabic before Islam... They were Arabs..
>>1411986
>(You)
>>1411986
>Syrians spoke Arabic before Islam... They were Arabs..
t. idiot
>>1411986
>what is Aramaic?
>muslim education
>>1412016
Best be trolling nigger.
>>1411953
>>1411944
>not knowing of Jews who accepted Jesus as a cool rabbi, but not divine
Some Jews regarded Jesus of Nazareth as the Messiah while rejecting his divinity
The 12th-century Muslim historian Muhammad al-Shahrastani mentions Jews living in nearby Medina and Hejaz who accepted Jesus as a prophetic figure and followed traditional Judaism, rejecting mainstream Christian views.[34] Some scholars argue that they contributed to the development of the Islamic view of Jesus due to exchanges of Ebionite remnants with the first Muslims.[13][35]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebionites
The Jewish community of Arabia was one of the largest ancient Jewish communities in the history of the Jewish people.
When Mohammed fled from Mecca in 622, he went to Medina. At first, he entered into an alliance with the Jews. He studied in their yeshivas and adopted their religion. But when, after two years, Mohammed could not convince the Jews that he was their leader and to bow down to him as a prophet and convert to his own religion, his attitude turned toward open hostility.
http://www.aish.com/h/9av/ju/What_Happened_to_the_Jews_of_Arabia.html
tl;dr Ebionites lived in Arabia and created Islam
>>1412474
Waraqa bin Naufal, who was both a scholar and the leader of the Ebionites in Mecca, took a special interest in his young relative the orphaned Muhammad.
He saw in him qualities of leadership, spent much time with him, and over the years taught Muhammad the Gospel of the Ebionites as well as the contents of the Torah. Waraqa bin Naufal performed Muhammad's marriage to Khadijah, and groomed Muhammad to replace him as the Ebionite spiritual leader in Mecca.
When Muhammad first announced that he was receiving revelations from God, the revelations were in large part the stories he had learned from Waraqa bin Naufal. Waraqa encouraged Muhammad to consider himself a Prophet, with the understanding that just as Abraham had been the Prophet to call the Jews back to Allah, and Jesus the Prophet who called his generation back to Allah, so Muhammad would be the Prophet who could call the Arabs back to Allah. It is interesting to note that at this time Muhammad did not see himself as founding a new religion, but only in calling people back to the Islam of Abraham, Moses, and Jesus.
>>1412474
Jesus in islam was born from a virgin, performed miracles, got crucified, rose from the dead and will come back in the end of days to rain fire on sinners. So literally identical to Christian Jesus except for the whole being God thing.
>>1413564
>got crucified, rose from the dead
He ascended directly into heaven without dying, like Elijah.
>>1409974
>All theories that Allah is secretly a pre-islamic God (which doesnt even begin to make sense, how you can be secretly believing in something you don't know you believe, if you as a Muslim believe Allah is the same god as Christians, then it is, origin regardless) have no weight behind them and are all put forward by extremely bias Christians.
It's called Qur'an.
The Qur'an doesn't even consider the possibilty of polytheism existing outside shared worship involving The [High] God, king of the Arabic pantheon and other associated objects of worship.
Indeed it says شرك, not چندخدایی.
>>1413564
>Jesus in islam
>got crucified, rose from the dead
No, he didn't.
>>1409980
>Mohammad reformed pagan Arab to monotheism.
What kind of bullshit is this? Stop trying to apply made up concepts from video games to real life
>>1411799
>>1412474
it is striking to find how heavily Muhammad relied on his Jewish contacts for the passages and teachings he ultimately set forth as part of the divine revelation.
So much, indeed, was Muhammad indebted to the Jews that the Qur'an has been described as a compendium of Talmudic Judaism. (Blair, The Sources of Islam, p. 55).
Qur'anic narratives contain elements of Biblical truths confounded with folklore and fables extracted from the Talmud and in some cases (such as the story of Abraham and the idols which we shall presently consider) the sources are entirely Midrashic/Haggadic and are accordingly purely fictitious.
This accounts for the seeming discrepancies between the stories of :he Bible and the Koranic version of the same narratives. However, in relating the Koranic version of the biblical story to the Haggadic source as indicated in our study, the discrepancies almost entirely disappear. For, astonishingly enough, the biblical narratives are reproduced in the Koran in true Haggadic cloak. (Katsh, Judaism in Islam, p. xvii).
An example can be cited from “Judaism in Islam” by Abraham I. Katsh, a one time Chairman of the Hebrew (and other) studies of the New York University. He has a thesis to his credit proving that the Prophet derived Islamic teachings from the Talmud. With reference to the origin of Adhan (Islamic five daily prayer call) he writes:
This Muslim practice may be traced to an ancient custom followed in the Temple in Jerusalem. According to a Talmudic passage an appointed crier used to announce, “Arise, ye priests to your service, ye Levites to your platform, and ye Israelites to your stands.” (Bloach Publishing company, 1954).
He cites hundreds of passages of the Qur’an that have their origin in Talmudic and other ancient Judaic literature.
>>1413687
not true. there were no jews or christians in the middle east
>>1409934
>>1409925
>>1409887
>>1409886
>look at me, i am so smrt!
I think OP obviously meant if he was a some arab god repurposed into Allah (which plenty of early preachers did when trying to spread monotheistic religion).
Probably to some extent. But of coure, 6th century Arabs certainly knew about Christianity, if only in a vague sense, and likely knew of Jews and perhaps had an inkling of the Roman pantheon. Of course, it depends if we mean the illiterate goat-fucking laity or scholars and such.
>>1415814
wut, Muhammad signed a treaty with Jews and Christians in Medina which we still have
If anyone want to read an least to say interesting description on the rise of Islam I recommend Jack Chick's "The Prophet"
>>1415907
wait what i thought that muslims owned jerusalem before the first crusade started, wasn't that the whole point?
If you mean the god El and how Judaism worshipped him solely, the closet Arabic version of El is I think Al-lat However allah, just means god, the oath muslims take to become a muslim uses Allah twice, one in general form to mean any god, and one in specific form, to represent the Abrahamic God.
>>1410395
No, it always meant god. Just not God.
>>1412474
Wut. Muhammed had been preaching for over 10 years before he went to Yathrib.
>>1416628
Elohim is based on Eloh which is a cognate of Allah - all based on El
also read up on the new age Elois
http://altreligion.about.com/od/mythologicalfigures/p/Elohim.htm
http://usbible.com/Creation/AlienGods.htm
