So now that we are no longer bound by the mind matter dualism but are facing a resurgent metaphysics based on emergence and vertical and horizontal pluralism(i.e. different levels of being: physics, chemistry, biology, psych, culture all with their own emergent and unique proporties and seperate non reducible ontology) and religion is coming back to the forfront as a driving force should we update our understanding of god as well? In what way?
After all, god is a personification, a literary subject through which we express our frustrations or that stands for the powers which we cannot control or cannot make sense of.
The ancient personal addressing towards problems in personified form might still have a place as long as we set the rules of interaction with such god or gods properly as a result of our contemporary understanding of the world.
>>1409365
>religion is coming back to the forfront as a driving force
How so?
The personal, theistic god is for babby's.
God is and has always essentially been the Absolute, the Unconditioned.
>>1409365
are you talking about new-agers? it's already happening and can't be stopped.
>>1409379
Thats is impractical.
We keep substrating things from the abolute as we expand our understanding and it is exactly the boundary between the unknown and known that is of interest to us.
>>1409405
No, I am talking about the important role that the idea of god played in ancient societies, so important in fact to their attempts to deal with the world as a commuinity that it cannot be ignored now that we have abandoned foundationalism.
Start here
>>1409370
Instant global communications and online media is conductive for the spreading of religious ideas.
The west world is seeing a ressurgence in religiosity with influxes of religious persons, thje return to religion of eastern europe and soon china.
>>1409416
>I have a jpg
Yeah, thanks for letting us know but shitposting should at least be funny.
OP got blown the fuck out in his other thread so he makes this new one to try to brush the matter under the rug.
>>1409416
>get your shit straight
>freud
>graves
lol
>>1409365
You should do internet comics. That's funnier than anything can possibly be.
>>1409458
There is another similar thread? Thats surprising given that /his/ philosophical knowledge usually ends at existential anxienties of atheist NEETs.
Read Heidegger's essay, "What is metaphysics?", and then read Being and Time before you make threads like this please.
>>1409379
Fuck off hegel nobody buys your humbug any more
>>1409365
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwCaZaSon9A
>>1409370
Population dynamics. The atheists in Europe aren't breeding and the Chinese are rediscovering the religions that Mao kept from them.
>>1409421
>Instant global communications and online media is conductive for the spreading of religious ideas.
Are you sure about this though? If anything, the opposite seems to be true with online media facilitating the spread of nihilism.
>The west world is seeing a ressurgence in religiosity with influxes of religious persons,
No it's not. Religiousity in Western nations is at an all-time low and is continuing on a down trend.
>thje return to religion of eastern europe and soon china.
Neither of these regions are exactly what you think of when you say the West.
>>1409414
>>the important role that the idea of god played in ancient societies
>>singular god
>>ancient societies
Does not compute.
>>1409562
The Christians in Europe aren't exactly breeding either, in relative terms as far as the world is concerned.
>>1409520
>im dumb
Late heidegger essentially attacked foundationalism. But philosophy ost foundationalism has ben salavaged by more contemporary thinkers. You should progress with your reading instead of referring others to century old essays.
I know its fun to jsut say "x is not relevant anymore" so you dont have to think about it but not everyone is as lazy.
>>1409583
>You should progress with your reading instead of referring others to century old essays.
Century old essays and books everyone who even cares a bit about philosophy should read.
Are you this dismissive of Plato and Aristotle too, which is 2400 years old?
>CURRENT YEAR
>>1409568
>Are you sure about this though? If anything, the opposite seems to be true with online media facilitating the spread of nihilism.
Dont confuse the absorbtion of post modern thought by the mainstream public with nihilism.
>No it's not. Religiousity in Western nations is at an all-time low and is continuing on a down trend.
I answered it, muslim immigration, a return to religion in eastern europe and the loosening communism in China.
You can doubt but fact is Europe is now talking about religion again and after the critique of foundationalism and the changes in epistemic thought Religion is back on the menu boyz.
>>1409600
I have nothing against heidegger, he was one of the most important post modern thinkers(in his later years). Now, however, new horizons have appeared.
In fact, post modern thought has spawned a lot of critiques of modernity and the enlightment project and thus a return to older more traditional views of antiquity and the middle ages.
>>1409524
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMHos7BcG0g
>>1409646
what is wrong with that dude's face?
it's like it got squashed to one side
>>1409606
>>I answered it, muslim immigration,
This is the only thing that is actually relevant to what the average person considers to be the west and frankly it's a lot more likely that muslims will secularize then that the west will become religious again.
>>1409606
>I answered it, muslim immigration
So you think Muslims are going to become the majority in Western Europe to the point that they become the mainstream culture?
>>1409365
>So now that we are no longer bound by the mind matter dualism but are facing a resurgent metaphysics based on emergence and vertical and horizontal pluralism(i.e. different levels of being: physics, chemistry, biology, psych, culture all with their own emergent and unique proporties and seperate non reducible ontology) and religion is coming back to the forfront as a driving force should we update our understanding of god as well? In what way?
Was there some miracle/revelation/alien invasion that I missed?
>>1409682
I think that it is inevitable that a big group of people that is religious joining a community of non religious people will result in either some sort of compromise or a struggle. Both options result in a resurfacing of questions about religion and its place in the westenr world.
>>1409694
You missed post modern philosophy.
>>1409715
Except the trend has been for Muslims in the West to secularize. I don't see how this supports your idea at all. Religiousity in the West has been falling across the board for all demographics.
>>1409365
>So now that we are no longer bound by the mind matter dualism but are facing a resurgent metaphysics based on emergence and vertical and horizontal pluralism(i.e. different levels of being: physics, chemistry, biology, psych, culture all with their own emergent and unique proporties and seperate non reducible ontology) and religion is coming back to the forfront as a driving force should we update our understanding of god as well? In what way?
Not in the way you mentioned in your post before.
Moving out from dualism to pluralism and a generally open ended and expansive ontology is God. It helps us move out from the problem of people assuming that because God is not matter that he must just be some disembodied mind, instead of something much more sublime and unique than that.
>>1410725
>After all, god is a personification, a literary subject through which we express our frustrations or that stands for the powers which we cannot control or cannot make sense of.
I meant to say: Not according to this conception above. There is no reason to turn God into a metaphor. It is just nice that we open our ontology a bit so to get a better understanding of what he is. It is mainly just about undoing the damage caused by the enlightenment and their half assed understanding of the scientific revolution that predated them.
I like when people post a real philosophy instead of /pol/ tier baits, christatheist fighst and a meme threads. Great work, OP!
>>1409463
Get your shit straight in regards to mythology/religion. Understanding what's in those books would eliminate half of retarded threads (honestly no offense op) on /his/ and /lit/.
It's like 25% of the threads on both boards consist of false premises based on misunderstanding. That wouldn't be so bad if when you pointed this out to those OPs there wasn't some huge backlash in vengeful support of false premise.
As Freud, yes, he is just a stepping stone to Jung essentially. Jung is not the final step, this is a continuing discovery, but he brings to light observations that bring deeper understanding of all the prior works in that list.
Graves is only half-way to be taken seriously. His personal feelings disconnected from the material is obviously inserted ever so often. But he is important for his model disconnected from his personal extrapolations on the triple goddess theme, he formulated it and associated it to poetic formula that's what matters. He's a stepping stone, like Freud.
Gebser and Jung are the co-final step in what you'd want to call beginner-intermediate, hence starterkit.jpg
Gebser presents the case for a new mutation of consciousness based on mass mental deficient anxieties coming stronger and more frequently. Mapping this to previous mutations of the human mind, they come about at first in unconscious potentials seemingly spontaneously and slowly they become conscious. At first there is "archaic man" and he is simply a creature of almost entirely unconscious mind, no perspective. Then there is "magic man" which there is an understanding of a self but it's mostly still embedded in unconscious processes, this is when man begins spell-casting, witchcraft, shamanism, cave-painting. Then comes "mythical man", the metaphor of the circle, the mandala, appears. Myths and the fingerprint of religion appears.
After this we have now "mental man" we have complex sciences and mathematics, extensive mental abstraction, technology.
>>1410753
Posting real philosophy usully kills the thread.
>>1410961
different anon here; what, in your opinion, comes after mental man?
>>1410984
Gebser suggests something called "Integral man" with what he calls an aperspectival dimensioning akin to the discovery of 3-dimensional perspective appearing in art, literature, religion, and the sciences. Aperspective does not mean losing perspective or unperspective but of integrating our spacial awareness with time in some fashion. We are already entering the Integral man phase according to Gebser. Of note here were the incorporation of time in physics, the attempts to "paint" time in the visual arts by Picasso and the like.
To realize the various structures within one's language and habits, and even within one's own life and self is a difficult task. But Gebser says that it is a task that we cannot choose to ignore without losing ourselves. This means that our so-called "objective thinking" is not without consequences, is not innocent. That to live "objectively" means to give life to the horrors of nihilism combined with the know how of highly "efficient" weapons. It means that "objectivity" gets applied to "engineering humanity" whether it is in the behavioral sciences or the physical sciences. He asks of us whether or not we have had our fill of those horrors yet. Are we willing to settle into the comfort of our daily life or to take on the process of change? He offers as a guiding note that just as there is also a time to act, there is also the much neglected time of contemplation. In a world where know-how is overvalued, simple knowing must also be nurtured. Furthermore, he knew that thought was never simply a mental exercise restricted to one's writing. He calls upon us to realize that we are what we think. [spoiler] le wiki [/spoiler]
>>1410961
>>1411007
It seems like you know what you're talking about. Which particular books would you consider "intermediate reading" to follow this starter kit?
>>1412465
After that you'll actually be ready to dive into Mythology, starting with the Greeks (or Gilgamesh if you like), then moving on to the philosophers
