>the pope gets his authority because peter and paul died in rome
literally wat
do catholics even listen to themselves
>B-b-b-but muh rock of the church! Muh key to the kingdom of heaven!
>>1408768
The Papacy doesn't have anything to do with Rome. The Vatican has changed locations many times
>worshiping gold statues and drinking blood
>>1409251
Really makes you think... huh...
>>1408768
Peter and Paul are not the pope. Not all Christians believe in the stereotypes people think they do.
It's the title, not the place.
>>1408768
The power of the pope is bounded to roman powerful families. Families like Barberini, Colonna, Della Rovere. They were rich, they had private armies and cardinals loyal to them. They could organize pilgrimages from everywhere in europe. The monopoly of christian religion in the hands of the pope made kings and emperors dependent to the pope. The pope was center of alliances among kingdoms. In the last 50 years the composition of the vatican oligarchy reflects the change of world order, as there are less italian cardinals and more from south america, africa and east asia.
The idea of the relevance of st. peter ad paul's death is as incredible as the kidnap of helen of troy.
>>1409554
>"In the West, Rome became the most important see. Like all bishops, the bishop of Rome came to be called the "pope" - the papa or father of his flock. In his case the title stuck and eventually referred only to him. By the mid fifth century the emperor formally recognized the popes claim to have preeminence of other bishops.
>Two factors explain why the office of the bishop of Rome evolved int the papacy. Forest, together with Jerusalem, Rome was a site of powerful symbolic importance to Christians because the Apostle Peter, considered the first among Jesus's disciples, and Paul of Tarsus, the traveling teacher who took a leading role in spreading Christianity beyond its Jewish origins died as martyrs in Rome. Second, early Christians considered Peter to have been the first bishop of Rome (retroactively), who passed on his authority to to all subsequent popes in what is called the doctrine of Petrine succession."
This is borderline laughable logic. Do Catholics believe this?
>>1409591
>Do Catholics believe this?
The thing is religious people never question their own beliefs.
>>1409233
>this post
inb4 someone takes the bait
>>1410210
He's right. The Avignon Papacy was still valid.
Another day, another 4chan post from someone who has probably (read: definitely) never actually learned what Catholics believe.
>>1410214
Look up what the word Vatican even refers to. Protip: it existed before Christianity and was ALWAYS in Rome.
>>1410222
really makes you think
>>1410272
>what is Mons Vaticanus
Wow another thread full of educated anons (AKA anons that did a google search) meaninglessly proving shitposters wrong who then memetext and ad hominem the thread into oblivion!
>>1409591
Peter and Paul are not the pope.
Look at what Peter and Paul teach, rather than the 'pope' because the pope teaches nothing in comparison.
Some Catholics believe in the pope like he is an exalted figure, while other catholics get the idea that it has nothing to do with the pope, and then are no longer catholic, but still Christian because they exalt Christ and not the pope
