How can one man be so based?
Literally influenced by this autistic virgin philosopher who killed himself after writing /pol/ tier philosophy on women and Jews.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Weininger
>go out for a walk during an air raid
>get injured be paraplegic for the rest of your life
HAHAHAHAHA
>Based
You misspelled "spooked", OP.
>>1407587
god I love le ebin spook man!! Keep up the good posting LOL xd
>>1407611
>screaming "g-go back to /pol/ bad man!!" Is an argument
>>1407644
>"god I love le ebin spook man!! Keep up the good posting LOL xd" is an argument
>>1407646
>implying an argument was made anywhere in this thread
you post memes, you get memes dipshit.
>implying I'm gonna sit here and try to convince hipsters who obviously haven't even read him
>>1407658
I've read him all his spiritual nonsense, all his Hogwarts bullshit and all his holier than thou rhetoric.
He is bad. You disagree? Make a case for it. Make a good, long, two part post why he is worth reading.
If not, fuck off. You can spam one liners on /pol/.
>>1407667
>le Hogwarts bullshit XDdd
>do you disagree with my meme argument? Make an effortpost telling me why I'm wrong
Fuck outta here
>>1407684
>start bullshit thread with no arguments
>get meme'd on
>get mad
Make a fucking argument and you will get responses.
Yeah man Lovecraft is dank
>>1407594
I love how /pol/fags never have any response other than incoherent rage to the spookbuster.
>>1407688
>can't just post about a thinker, have to randomly post arguments in case Barry the barista doesn't approve
Don't forget the caramel drizzle bitch
>>1407508
Can anyone in this thread say something about about Julius Evola and his work who's actually read it? Literally non of you have talked about any of his ideas and are just memeing.
>>1407694
True dat
>>1407695
>being such a stupid fucking meme kiddie you don't even know Evola and stirner fundamentally agree on the primacy of the Self
/his/ was a mistake
>>1407706
Yes, but they fundamentally disagree on everything else.
>>1407705
I've read him extensively. I don't give a shit about his politics, just his metaphysics. His idea of the human organism as being conditioned by biology yet still possessing an absolutely free self-determination proportional to one's awareness as a conditioned being is true
>>1407699
You googled a name you read online, took a picture, made a thread "WOW SO BASED" and then policed it by insulting people who disagree.
You are a fucking moron and don't deserve my time, but I'll just inform the other posters who Evola is, and what he believed and wrote about.
Basically his theory is that from the Arctic Hyberborea in the north came the nordic aryan people, white of skin and with soft bones. They were spiritually superior to all people and thus possessed magic abilities. They founded Atlantis, and from there spread culture west and east, to form what we consider the first civilization. However they mixed with the locals, and because the locals had inferior blood and genes, the magic abilities were lost. So now it is up to the descendants of these northern wizards to start cleaning up the blood again and achieve the spiritual superiority that allowed for magic to exist, and raise Atlantis again.
>>1407718
this can;t be literal
>>1407720
Oh, I forgot that the pure white people were partially immaterial, unlike modern dirty humans, tainted by southern blood.
>>1407718
I've read him. Nice wiki summary dipshit, the path of traditionalist is an individual one. Nowhere does he exhort his reader to revive "Atlantis" lmao. His system is first and foremost one of self-determination and signification, not the proselytization of an ideology or a waxing nostalgic for better times
>>1407725
sounds like the kind of things you hear when you watch the triple digit TV channels where they have people using crystal balls to tell you your future and fortune
>>1407718
Evola was Sicilian though. Why would he believe in a Nordist theory such as that when he was from one of the least Nordic looking countries of Europe?
>>1407729
>I've read him.
Then give short and simple answers to the following questions, a yes/no would suffice.
>did the whites came from the north pole?
>were they partially immaterial?
>did they have magical abilities?
>did they found atlantis?
>were they tainted by southern blood to lose their magical ability and become material?
If you've read him, you should be able to answer these, and I am sure any other posters who haven't read him will conclude not to bother.
>>1407587
hate that pic, stirner would never, if he would live in modern times, wear something like this. fashion = spook
>>1407738
>being this mad you cant understand evola
>>1407729
>the path of traditionalist is an individual one.
explain
>>1407736
Because he believed that even though he was tainted by southern blood, like all modern humans are, there was in him a piece of the northern white men, and through spiritual exercise he can achieve this partially immaterial state and regain control of white people magic.
>>1407745
I can't help but notice you didn't answer the questions, and conclude that you are ashamed of the answers.
>>1407703
fucking shithead idiot, lul
>>1407741
I think the point of the stylized outfit is to channel Kamina, particularly the glasses.
>>1407747
>ashamed
you have answered them and i do not disagree?
you are still missing the fundamental point of his mysticism
>>1407757
You still only half-say it. Go ahead and admit, so that other people reading the thread can see it.
Evola though immaterial white people from the north came south, founded Atlantis with their magic, and then were race mixed into being normal humans. Europeans thus should meditate and perform magic rituals to regain their immaterial state.
Go on. You should write it down, if you agree with it, rather than subtly admitting it.
>>1407738
>whites
>trying to make Evola some racialist bogeyman so all your fellow baristas can cheer you on
>not realizing Evola has only ever talked about one thing and one thing only: spiritual capacity, and not profane us vs. them playground bullshit
Your "whites" were individuals whose primary orientation was upwards-oriented: an overcoming of human biological conditioning and the cyclical processes of Becoming that characterize the ephemerality existence and are inherent to suffering. Magic is and only ever has been self-mastery, the fruits of self-overcoming. Atlantis is just a name for a civilization that was composed of individuals of this caliber. The "dirty" blood of lower races is such because it is dominated by natural forces, instead of overcoming them.
>>1407760
mad as fuck
>>1407762
Evola is a self proclaimed racist, and he was vocal about it. He critiqued people who said he wasn't racist.
Though he wouldn't have said "white", he would've said "northern scandinavian more-than-humans" instead.
>>1407765
Ashamed of your hero being a loony?
I half think now that you never did read him, and this is the first time you actually understand what that retard stood for.
>>1407774
him being a loony is why i like him
you seem to be talking about why you dont like him
>>1407760
Your understanding of his metaphysics is tumblr-tier. In fact, he loathed the cult of biological race and felt it distracted from man's true destiny as a spiritual being. He also had a lot of respect for Kabbalah.
If you actually read him to understand him instead of to just ridicule his thought you'd have understood that.
Thanks for confirming you were just shallow memebaby the whole time faggot
>>1407775
If you like him so much, why cant you openly agree with him and continue to dodge the question?
Since this is the meme-general which IRL philosopher is the most like Vivec?
>>1407778
where have i disagreed with him? :)
>>1407780
Where have you straight up agreed with his northern ghost wizards building Atlantis views?
>>1407695
Stirner is probably the most based Communist philosopher.
>>1407774
>he's not egalitarian so he's wrong
lol kill yourself millenialcuck
>>1407795
Answer, with yes or no, if you agree with these:
>did the whites came from the north pole?
>were they partially immaterial?
>did they have magical abilities?
>did they found atlantis?
>were they tainted by southern blood to lose their magical ability and become material?
>>1407797
I just explained how your understanding of these topics is meme-tier. You're trying so hard to phrase his views in haha look at this wacky man XD without any understanding of what he's trying to communicate
>>1407805
You are reading Evola like people read Nostradamus, using hindsight and rationalization to make him appear reasonable. Or like some people read the Bible, and claim there are bits in there about airplanes, traveling to the stars, the Twin Towers collapsing and so on.
If he was alive today, besides you, he'd be mad with your understanding of his word.
>>1407807
>my interpretation of him is right, yours is wrong because I don't think it's right
Oh god just stop. Just admit you didn't understand what you read, it's okay anon
>>1407805
he was wacky though, pol-tier beliefs
what more can be said has been said
you sound pretty memed up, honestly
>>1407805
>meme tier
This is the tenth time we have had this thread, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it. Ride your tiger out of here.
>>>/guenon/
>>>/mt. meru/
>>>/thule/
>>>/pol/
>>1407813
My interpretation of Evola:
>when he said X, he meant X, even though X is pretty dumb
Your interpretation of Evola:
>when he said X, he meant Y and Z, because those seem more reasonable in 2016 with my hindsight and knowledge
You are reading it like people read through the Bible to find bits about the internet and alien invasions, as I said.
Just read the word and stop trying to rationalize it, speculating like a lunatic.
>>1407746
Trying to implement some utopian political solution never works, and they only ever are reactions to the unsatisfactory deep principles of reality anyway, which can only be overcome vertically in the Self and not in the external, horizontal material world
>>1407825
He literally explains what he means by those concepts in the very same work you supposedly read you stupid fucking faggot
>>1407836
He literally thinks elves came from the North Pole to raise an island from the sea with magic. Stop rationalizing for him. Read his book, without auto-correcting everything to appear reasonable.
>>1407829
where does tradition come into that
Putting aside the /pol/ boogeyman for a minute, has anyone else noticed a massive increase in fashy-esoteric posters recently or is it just me? It's even worse than the Randposting that got going on /lit/ in 2012.
>>1407856
>/pol/ boogeyman for a minute, has anyone noticed the /pol/ boogeymen visits us more often
Hmmmm, really makes you think, huh?
>>1407867
>implying the average /pol/ack has the attention span to read The Arctic Home In The Vedas
>>1407856
none of those posters are not pol
any time you see a poster that likes that kind of thing they also like pol and browse it
as a side note, it's a little funny how they turned on libertarianism
>>1407867
Ya it is not like /pol/ loves Evola ... OH WAIT
>>1407879
most of them are proles with no understanding of evola at all
collectively he is just know as le tradition man
A board so obsessed with the "logic" of it arguments and disregard of arguments they recognize as "emotional" can be nothing but fundamentally opposed to Evolas position
>>1407842
>stop rationalizing an authors viewpoints by actually understanding them, I can't rant about muh ideological bogeyman that way
The level of discourse on /his/, folks
>>1407896
You are "understanding him" by deducing that what he meant is the opposite of what he wrote.
>tfw you will never believe all this esoteric stuff
>tfw you will never be the guy who runs the shop that sells dream-catchers and whale-call CD's where middle-aged women go to buy healing crystals and teenage potheads go to buy incense.
>>1407894
>A board so obsessed with the "logic" of it arguments
lmao lmao
>>1407913
Evola had massive disdain for modern degenerate "spirituality" nonsense, just sayin.
>>1407902
No, I'm explaining his concepts. As he has presented them in his own works. Which are symbolism, ideas for communicating universal facts of experience, such as the conditioned and ephemeral nature of existence.
You insufferable faggot.
>>1407924
When he wrote that non-humans came from the north, you are rationalizing that humans came from the north. That is the opposite of what he wrote.
When he wrote that they came from some imaginary place north of Scandinavia, you are deducing those were germanics from northern Germany, Denmark, maybe southern Scandinavia. Thats the opposite of what he wrote.
You are making shit up, because what he wrote is so stupid you can't even assume he meant it.
>>1407508
Evola's good if you're the type of person that wants to live in a hemp cabin in the desert with a goat and a woman named flowerpot. For sane people he's absolute trash.
>>1407956
>sane people
Getting a bit spooky there
>>1407971
I did respond to these "arguments". Stop reading Evola like lunatics read the bible to find secret passages.
I didn't respond to each one of your repetitive posts, since the response is the same every time. Seeing how I am not paid to school you, I'd rather not repeat everything several times.
>>1407956
>For sane people he's absolute trash.
You mean smart people
>>1407980
???? none of those posts are mine
>I did respond to these "arguments". Stop reading Evola like lunatics read the bible to find secret passages
He is a mystic author you read him like other mystics, what dont you understand???
>>1407980
It's how he explains those concepts.
In the very same book you supposedly read.
The first like hundred pages is him explaining exactly what he means by Tradition, solarity, transcendence etc.
For the like the 7th time, we're not interpreting his system, we're explaining his system as he presented it in his own words.
Lol you expect us to believe you read revolt against the modern when you can't even recognize the basic premises his philosophy is founded on?
>>1407993
not him, but interested, what is Tradition with capital 'T' apparently
>>1407967
>Spooks
>Bad
>>1407997
They demonstrably are
Here, an example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d1ibtOVImg
>>1407996
The set of principles, attitudes, and practices that are conducive to a transcendental orientation towards life, ie towards that which is More than life, the unconditional primordial state that is the ground of the manifestation
>>1408015
so most traditions have actually been wrong?
>>1408030
Anything that distracts man from transcendence/Being and expends his energies in the sensible material world - the transitory world of death and desire - is "wrong", insofar as it ties men down in the cyclical and ultimately meaningless nature of Becoming
>>1408039
does that mean man shouldn't be having kids, is that a distraction according to him
>>1408046
Nothing is inherently any label, actually. Dualisms are cancer. There's only cause and effect. It's a process as objective as gravity. Existence sorts itself out, though that doesn't mean there isn't an objective cost for an objective action. If you can have kids and still maintain a transcendent praxis, go for it.
>>1407741
but i thought you were supposed to revel in spooks that appealed to you
>>1408969
>argue with me about this author I've never read and don't plan on reading
Fuck off
>>1409141
>i won't answer your simple question and will instead insult and dismiss you
I accept your surrender.
>>1407749
low iq prole
>>1408969
That isn't what he says though. His whole deal was piecing together bits of mythology in order to find transcendent metaphysical principles that underlie the myths. He never claimed that he believed in a literal Atlantis or any of that shit, he was agnostic about whether the myths corresponded to a concrete literal points in history or not. What he cared about was abstracting out a unified metaphysics and spiritual practice from the Indo-European mythology so to apply to our current situation. He lays this out right at the beginning of " Revolt Against the Modern World", if you had actually read Evola you would know this.
>>1407508
that painting sucks
>>1411220
This. All of this is explicitly estates multiple times and in different books. Proof that that other tumblr anon only has a superficial reading of him (and quite frankly, is probably non-white).
>Read Revolt Against the Modern World
>Go on /his/ expecting deep discussions of metaphysics and the world of Tradition and the transcendent notion of the State rooted in the Patriae
>Find anons arguing wether Atlantis and Hyperborea "really" existed
>>1412105
They do, Putin is recreating it by causing global warming and recreating the tropical Garden of Eden on the North Pole.
>>1412105
Plebs gon pleb
>>1407718
You didnt read Evola.
Which of his works should I start with?
>>1412148
Revolt Against the Modern World for a general overview of his worldview. I prefer his works on alchemy, Buddhism, and tantra overall though.
You really do need a solid grasp on history, mysticism, religion, and esoterica to understand him though
>>1412111
Wasted trips.
Now according to modern science, you can be skeptical up to an indefinite degree if you want to, going so far as to doubt the very possibility of knowledge. Every sensory input you receive is filtered by your senses and worldview, as well as various social and economic pressures. The truth value of a paradigm or scientific model is not attributed to it on the basis of its objective validity, but solely on the basis of its explanatory and predictive capacities. If this with regards to the study of nature, what to say of metaphysical matters? So, in this sea of uncertainty, and especially in the social sciences, it really becomes a matter of what myths you choose to believe in, and what benefits you derive from believing in them. In this case, I find that the scientist myth is one conducive to a plane and base existence, whereas the Evolian and traditionalist myth adds depth and width to reality. And it can be summed up as the following.
1
>>1414221
There is a realm of being and a realm of becoming. We live in the realm of becoming of which every knowledge is uncertain and probable at best. But there is another mode of cognition, namely intellectual (or spiritual) intuition, in which the subject and object of knowledge become identical. This is unanimously decribed, throughout the world of tradition, as a sort of vision (Plato called it seeing with the mind's eye). The Indian Vedas are an example of testimony of this kind of cognition.
>The Sanskrit word véda "knowledge, wisdom" is derived from the root vid- "to know". This is reconstructed as being derived from the Proto-Indo-European root *u̯eid-, meaning "see" or "know".[21]
But many traditional texts could be cited. The German mystic Jacob Boehme, for example, a humble shoemaker, is said to have seen
>in a vision in 1600 as one day he focused his attention onto the exquisite beauty of a beam of sunlight reflected in a pewter dish. He believed this vision revealed to him the spiritual structure of the world, as well as the relationship between God and man, and good and evil.
He spent the rest of his life trying to explain what he saw in that single moment (and in my own research, I've been surprised and amazed by how much his metaphysical doctrines are congenial to the spirit of the Vedas).
>>1414226 << that was 2
But this is the thing with intellective insight. The intellectual or spiritual world is timeless, so you can only experience it immediately and all at once. But in our own mode of expression, we find it impossible to express a single idea immediately and all at once, without mediation of say, words and concepts. In order to communicate (and even to think) our thoughts, we must resort to discursive reasoning, and this inevitably distorts the visionary experience, because you must necessarily put it under such determinations as language, culture, paradigm, etc., something which in of itself is not subject to any kind determination. This accounts, according to Proclus the neoplatonic philosopher, for the uncanniness and bizarreness of myths, with its wars and castrations. Boehme, for example, described the principle of everything as an eye in the abyss, an eternal chaos, a darkness, a desire, harshness, roughness, coldness, astringency, etc., which expanded itself in an explosion of light. The Vedas and the Orphics, on the other hand, saw the beginning as the hatching of a golden or silvery egg, and the universe as the body of the being that came out of the egg. All of these are ways to explain to a determinate audience, at a determinate time and with determinate means what one had experienced in a visionary experience.
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>>1414230
But how to differentiate between true metaphysical vision and mere delusion? This is what the testimony of tradition, and the study of comparative religiona and mythology are for. You can always judge the reliability of a metaphysical doctrine by comparing it to the consensus of the ages. If it accords with the traditional data, then keep it; if not, then throw it away. This is what permits one to say that Christianity is a traditional religion and, say, Wicca and Scientology are not. Because the teachings of the Gospel, as well as certain of its mythological aspects, such as the journey of Christ to Hades, and ressurrection, as well as the symbology and theology of the Catholic Church and other traditional forms of Christianity, are in perfect accordance with the testimony of tradition. Whereas the others smack of man-made religions.
But enough of this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vedas#Etymology_and_usage
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakob_B%C3%B6hme
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>>1414232
thanks for posting anon
I read all of this
it's too bad there isn't a /his/-type forum with this caliber of posting
i knew about boehme before but now you got me very interested in him
i jus twanna say i believe the truths communicated in the vedas, through boehme, really all the thinkers and systems that underpin evola's work are the capital-t Truth
>>1414305
>it's too bad there isn't a /his/-type forum with this caliber of posting
salo-forum.com
>>1414305
http://www.gornahoor.net/
>>1412175
Would Guenon be a better starting point?
>>1414424
Guenon's v dense. Really, nothing's better than reading the primary sources themselves if you're interested in getting the most out of Evola's metaphysics. If you're not down to read the Tao te Ching and Buddhist scriptures and shit, his Introduction to Magic is the best overall summary to initiatic metaphysics
>>1407749
>implying the French Revolution wasn't a complete failure
