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>>1406060
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>>1406060
>BTFO in unity by Cardinal Richelieu
>BTFO in territory by Louis XIV
>BTFO in credibility by Voltaire
>BTFO in existence by Napoleon
Thank you France for ridding us of this tumor that plagued the European continent for a thousand years.
>>1406106
What was so bad about the Holy Roman Empire?
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>>1406114
It incurs infinite French butthurt
>>1406163
Yeah, I took care of that.
Permanently.
>>1406060
Yes.
I ended it.
>>1406060
OGM I LOVE THE HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE!
>>1406174
Then how come they're still mad to this day
>>1406114
It was neither holy, nor Roman, nor an empire.
>>1406189
Same reason they're still butthurt about Alsace while the Dutch got over Dunkirk: the Germans didn't get the memo that cores expire after 50 years.
>>1406198
The frogs, fag. The frogs are still mad.
>>1406114
It was a complete clusterfuck with nothing contemporary history actually cares about going on, even when it took up half of all Europe.
I blame British hegemony.
>>1406204
Look at this visage. Let your eyes fall over it, analyze every crevice and absorb every contour until you fully understand how not mad he is.
>>1406189
Mad about what???
The HRE has been dead since 1806.
210 years.
Cite evidence of this French anger about a political entity that the French ended.
Why this anti-German bias in /his/? It's not just HRE but everything associated with Germany and Germans.
>>1406227
Ewiger Anglo
In this case it's mostly memes though. People only remember the HRE as a weak institution that was ended by Napoleon, forgetting it was heterogenous and spawned almost a thousand years.
Battle of Pavia never 5get btw
>>1406240
>anglo
>not german
>>1406227
Wehraboo backlash.
>>1406227
It's a reaction to /pol/ fetishization of the Nazis.
>>1406469
>I hate that you're being stupid, so I will try to be even stupider
>>1406060
Wow, such a small holding to call yourself an empire.
And it basically just stagnated for 1000 years until being dissolved by French, meanwhile the Russian Empire, French Empire, British Empire, etc. were actual empires.
Why were germs so lazy and unproductive, they had massive reserves of coal and natural wealth in their "empire" and didn't do anything until the 19th century.
For fucks sake, the HRE is a joke if you compare it to the Soviet Union.
Are Germans just inherently genetically inferior to other Europeans? Did they stagnate because of lower IQ?
What did they even invent, probably less than all the other europeans.
>>1406513
This should be a banner
>>1406525
>they had massive reserves of coal and natural wealth in their "empire" and didn't do anything until the 19th century.
Neither did Belgium. Or the US. Or Russia. Or Austria.
>>1406066
>>1406430
No. Wehraboos are still very, very real, though surprisingly rare on this board. But it's not so much a boogeyman as
>>1406513
What happens is someone on the internet is wrong about something. Let's use Katanas for an example, because 4chan already went through this cycle.
Pop culture has the meme that katanas are some kind of super sword.
Weebs go on the internet and sperg out about them, being annoying in the process.
Some actually informed people dunk on them.
And here's the key step.
Stupid plebs see idiots being made to look like idiots. And rather then learn from the process, and learning things such as reading academic texts, multiple sources etc. They boil it down to the simplest version "Katanas are stupid." They're unable to separate the real rebuttals from people dog piling on ("wooden armor"), and just blend it together in a mash so THEY can dogpile on and try to look like they're one of the smart ones, to clever to be fooled by meme magic.
tl;dr plebs are going to pleb.
>>1406066
>going full circle and agreeing with SJW's that Mediterraneans were black
Too rich.
>>1406227
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>>1406423
Wehrabooism is what happens when a generation's primary source of WW2 education is from retarded History Channel documentaries and playing vidya like WoT. It is the unironic worship of WW2 Germany and their equipment, as if tanks, planes and guns are the sole measure of a nations greatness. This is in no small part due to edgy contrarianism and autism, leading to an inability to distinguish between actual history and their own delusional fantasies, where the Nazis were good guys who dindu nuffin and DEUTSCHLAND STRONK. In short, its fedora tier fanboyism masquerading as being an "expert" in WW2 history.
>>1406611
Half of these are generic phrases the creator made up to fill the grid
Also you're just insanely autistic if you think someone can't appreciate a country's war capabilities without thinking that country was in the right. Most "wehraboos" would never tell you the wehrmacht or Germany were the good guys in WW2.
>>1406634
>Half of these are generic phrases the creator made up to fill the grid
I have personally encountered all of these when dealing with Wehraboos.
>Also you're just insanely autistic if you think someone can't appreciate a country's war capabilities without thinking that country was in the right. Most "wehraboos" would never tell you the wehrmacht or Germany were the good guys in WW2.
You can also smoke meth without being a trailer trash skellington, it's still not a good idea. Mostly though, I find the average Wehraboo has gone far enough down the hole to think the German Army was the good guys, and the Nazis and Soviets were the bad guys.
>>1406657
>thinking a weapon is cool is like smoking meth
Anon it sounds to me like you just hate enthusiasts
>>1406221
In reality reality, Voltaire was a lazy directionless slacker from a noble family who fell in love with a Protestant woman but was forced to leave her due to religious discrimination. Outraged at the lack of justice in his world, he began writing satirical plays and philosophical essays in an attempt to point out what was wrong with France and how he thought it could be fixed.
>>1406676
There's a difference between people who appreciate military hardware and people who get a nervous breakdown and start talking about the holocaust when you point out certain Soviet airplanes were better than the Fw 190 and I actually met quite a few such individuals on this board.
daily reminder that the EU is the spiritual successor of HRE
daily reminder that the Germans have won
>>1406163
Because the """"Holy""""Roman""""Empire"""" was caliphate-tier and denied the national sovereignty of other european people.
>>1407884
National sovereignty is a spook
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>>1406227
It seems to be just one really autistic French nationalist who spends all day here and says the same things in every thread.
>>1407883
Daily reminder that german influence on the EU is on the downturn, Angela Merkel is the most hated politician in the continent, and the french are about to take over (god help us) since you turdy germs managed to make the italians, spaniards & co take their side, while turning the small rich countries against the EU as a whole.
>>1408026
>and the french are about to take over (god help us)
lol. by the way, I wouldn't mind French takeing a leadership role in the EU, but sadly they dont have the poltical will to do the necessary reforms in their own country and cut social entitlements, to become a competative economy like Germany.
>>1406114
/his/ has a weird community of salty Balkan, Polish, and French people.
Since the latter two have a hateboner for Germany, we consistently have to endure their shitposts.
>>1408032
I would mind, since they're about as lacking in leadership as Germany without Merkel and the only ones close to having their shit together are those PS tards. It's not even a question of political will, they straight up lack anyone with the political capital to impose himself on top of the pack.
I don't know why you're talking about economy tho, it has absolutely nothing to do with EU leadership. Hell just look at Greece: they're shit incarnate and they managed to shake the EU much more than Britain with the brexit. It's all about individual politicians these days. Draghi at the BCE helps more Italy's influence in Europe than having 10b more of yearly revenue for example.
>>1408048
>Europe under French dominion
>Europe under (De Gaulle) dominion
Two completely different scenarios here. Tell me, who's the modern De Gaulle?
>>1408048
French people are lazy entitled leftists and they need a strong dictatorish leade (De Gaulle) to keep them in line
>>1408061
>I don't know why you're talking about economy tho, it has absolutely nothing to do with EU leadership
You can't exactly be a believable leader if you keep on breaking EU laws (3% deficit)
>Hell just look at Greece: they're shit incarnate and they managed to shake the EU much more than Britain with the brexit.
They managed to cause problems for all the other countries in the Eurozone, not to take leadership in EU
>>1408074
>You can't exactly be a believable leader if you keep on breaking EU laws (3% deficit)
Tell that to Merkel or Schroeder. Germany breaks EU rules literally every other day, especially the financial ones, yet they have no problems keeping influent. Why? Because the rest of the union is literally dead and buried leadership wise.
>They managed to cause problems for all the other countries in the Eurozone, not to take leadership in EU
They managed to get far more favourable terms for their debts than any other PIIGS country, and most likely better terms than Britain is gonna get if they persist with the Brexit.
>>1408084
>Germany breaks EU rules literally every other day,
As far as I am aware, the only rule Germany breaks is that they have a trade surplus which is too high.
>They managed to get far more favourable terms for their debts than any other PIIGS country
No they didn't. They even held a referendum against the EU austerity plan and yet Tsipras made an U-turn and accepted the plan eventually.
>>1408100
>As far as I am aware, the only rule Germany breaks is that they have a trade surplus which is too high.
They broke the SGP thrice since signing it, last time between 2008-2010 right while clamoring for so called "insolvents" to reduce debt and stop public spending. They're hypocrisy incarnate.
>>1408063
>French people are lazy entitled leftists
Leftists were only elected two times(Mitterrand, Hollande) in France while CDU and SPD were and are repeatedly elected in Germany.
French aren't leftist unlike the germans.
>>1408121
That was directly after the financial crisis and most countries had a too high deficite.
>>1408133
The problem in France are not the political parties, but the strong unions and farmer lobbies that make the necessary reforms nigh impossible
I mean, farmers blocking highways, breaking into trucks and destroying food from other countries, that shit wouldnt fly in other EU nations
>>1408134
What crisis was there between 2002 and 2005 then?
Face it, germs just break the rules whenever they need to, just likr anyone else. It's pretty absurd to think they're considered some sort of standard of financial stability and public administration. The fact that they're considered such in spite of not being so speaks favourably of their leadership, and less favourably of their economy. Hence why I said having good leaders is more important in the EU than having a good economy.
>>1408145
It was a time where Germany implemented hard but necessary reforms to cut social entitlement (Agenda 2010).
Those reforms lead to Germany temporary having a higher deficite, but yet they are the reason why Germany is so competative nowadays
>>1406106
>Cardinal Richelieu
the devilish frog.
>>1408157
>It was a time where Germany implemented hard but necessary reforms to cut social entitlement (Agenda 2010).
But when other countries needed to do the same due to the crisis, woe betide them if they tried to do so while breaking the pact right? Much better to depress their economy to shit instead. Much better to call them slackers for trying to keep their economies alive with government money while they reform rather than just hope for survival while cutting everything, and so triplicating the political capital needed for every reform.
>>1408143
>vive le revolution!!1!
>>1408180
And they also got away with it most of the times.
If you have a good reason, or show progress over years (deficite decreasing), then brussel wont punish you
>>1408190
>And they also got away with it most of the times.
Bullshit. They weren't even allowed, straight out stopped at the planning part. Look at Italy, Greece and Spain.
>but they should just have powered through it and dare the EU to do anything
They would have needed a good leadership for that. Which is my point.
>>1408143
Whaagg the workers aren't pussies
Stay mad porky
>>1408209
>Bullshit. They weren't even allowed, straight out stopped at the planning part. Look at Italy, Greece and Spain.
And how often did Italy, Greece and Spain have to pay fees for missing the trade deficite goal?
>>1408219
workers are entitled and keep their whole country down with their tantrums.
I am not mad, rather sad, looking over at France, knowing that they could be as wealthy and productive as Germany, and that they are kept down by their unions and farmer lobbies
>>1408222
Dude, further rulebreaking can only be used as an example of the importance shamelessness has in Europe and the irrelevance of everything else.
>>1408271
It only shows that the <3% deficite is not such a strict rule and that there might be legit reasons why a country has to break it.
So shaming Germany for having a 4% deficite a few times is not really fair, when you look at the deficite of other countries
>>1408289
>So shaming Germany for having a 4% deficite a few times is not really fair, when you look at the deficite of other countries
Whereas it's totally fine to call Italy insolvent poorfags for doing the exact same thing? Italy's average deficit these last 10 years was the same as Germany's during their Agenda 2010 campaign, yet I don't remember the outrage over Germany's parasitism and and financial incompetence.
>>1408330
Its a difference if you get a deficite of 4% because you implement some unpopular refors or if you always have a deficite of 5% for no good reason (see Greece)
>>1408338
I wrote Italy, buddy. Or is it too inconvenient an example?
>>1408347
I don't remember italy beeing punished for overstepping the trade deficite, to be honest
>>1408133
>implying CDU and SPD are left
>>1408455
>implying they aren't
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rcc7xgD2dM
HOL UP
>>1408048
De Gaulle lost a diplomatic dispute to a commie south American shithole, why should he lead Europe?
>>1408758
HOL UP, SO U BE SAYIN?!
>>1406060
I'm not gonna lie, those borders are aesthetic as fuck. Just needs to include the rest of mainland Italy and push further east into Poland to be perfect.
Of the three Roman successor states, they also had the most legitimate legal claim.
>>1408833
>not the byzantines
>>1408840
The "Byzantines" were not a Roman successor state, they were literally a continuation of the Roman state.
Rome Lasted from 753 BC to AD 1453, and its three successor states were the Holy Roman Empire, Russian Empire, and Ottoman Empire.
>>1406060
If there's one thing I hate it's old country's borders put on top of today's modern borders.
>>1408026
>french are about to take over
Are we?
>>1408845
>Russian Empire
no
>ottoman empire
no
>>1408916
Russian Empire claimed to be a successor state to Rome through the marriage of Ivan the Terrible's grandfather and a Roman princess. The Ottomans claim to be a successor through right of conquest.
From a Western legal perspective, the Holy Roman Empire had a better claim to be a successor than either of them.
>>1408926
WE WUZ ROMANS is not a legit claim. And they wuzn't even romans
>>1408026
>French politicians
>Doing anything positive for their favorite scapegoat
You must be kidding. We haven't had an economist or at least an economically knowledgeable person as minister of economy in the past 30 years, how do you expect us to suddenly make structural reforms for the EU when we can't reform our own country.
>>1408960
The Church had been invested with more and more legal authority in the last century of the Roman Empire, especially in the West. After the collapse in the West, the Catholic Church was the only remaining legal structure left from the old Empire, and it was the Pope of the Catholic Church who gave Charlemagne the legal claim to Roman Emperor.
>>1408979
>gave Charlemagne the legal claim to Roman Emperor.
Which would bequeath on France, Lombardy (~Lothringen) and the Holy Roman Empire the claim to being successors of the Roman Empire.
Why are narrowing it down just to the HRE?
>>1408993
Except none of those others places are heirs to the Carolingians after overthrowing the Merovingian "rulers".
>>1409012
>Except none of those others places are heirs to the Carolingians after overthrowing the Merovingian "rulers".
>What are the Capetians?
The Capetians can legit trace their line back to Charlemagne, unlike pig disgusting Kebabsburgs and Hohenlollerns. And then there's the Bonapartes, who instead of claiming relation to Charlemagne by blood did so by deeds.
FEIOU
Franciae est imperare orbi universo
>>1409042
>Capetians
>legitimate
>>1406114
That there were people that couldn't appreciate its sheer greatness. The worst were the frogs. Since they were despicable people and they knew it, they couldn't co-exist with such glory. This is why they started plotting against it. They could have never been head of such a union. This is also why we are in EU now, because the frogs again can't accept other people bypassing them which isn't a hard thing to do.
>>1406060
I actually find the HRE fascinating and i would love to study its history, but it seems so complex that i dont even know where to start.
>>1408886
Yes, we are
>>1406227
I would also be angry if the same tribe of barbarians killed my Empire every single time.
>>1409629
Same here.
>>1409705
this is the worst pepe and it never should have existed. delete this now and delete it off your hard drive
>inb4 rare pepe tho
>>1408845
Byzanshitters, everyone
>>1410228
>implying byzantiboos would ever accept the ottomeme empire as their successor
lmao
>>1410226
rare pepe tho
