Why is it called "Cultural Marxism" when Karl Marx never wrote anything on the subject?
Shouldn't it be called "Cultural Liberalism"?
Because red-baiting was a big thing in the 50s, and autists are usually two or three generations behind mentally.
Because it uses Marxist theory. A lot of Marxists today see sexual minorities and women as the true revolutionary class, with the proletariat often being a reactionary class, much like how Marx saw the lumpen. Marx didn't understand cultural capital, that's the key here
>>1400177
Because it's a hoax created by right wing pundits.
>>1400185
No Marxist has ever professed that
>>1400201
Not Marxist per se, but it is to Marxism as modern evolutionary theory is to Darwin's theory of evolution.
>>1400177
Because it is about genociding and about destroying cultures., That's literally marxism.
>Thus when monogamous marriage first makes its appearance in history, it is not as the reconciliation of man and woman, still less as the highest form of such a reconciliation. Quite the contrary. Monogamous marriage comes on the scene as the subjugation of the one sex by the other; it announces a struggle between the sexes unknown throughout the whole previous prehistoric period. In an old unpublished manuscript, written by Marx and myself in 1846, I find the words: “The first division of labor is that between man and woman for the propagation of children.” And today I can add: The first class opposition that appears in history coincides with the development of the antagonism between man and woman in monogamous marriage, and the first class oppression coincides with that of the female sex by the male.
-Engels
because marx is a bogeyman, but also because the frankfurt school were trying to use a lot of marx's ideas for it
most postmodern stuff that gets labelled as 'cultural marxism' really has very little similarity to marx and often completely rejects his theories on class, history, materialism etc
>>1400177
Because it's the next logical step to a world with class or borders.
If you unify the world under a communist dogma, empower the workers, remove borders and government, there are still divisions in culture.
Now, unless we put aside hate and ignorance (lol) we'd probably redraw borders and separate/stratify based on culture and/or ethnicity, which defeats the purpose of communism.
>>1400185
> A lot of Marxists today
More like the small marginal minority that doesn't even identifies themselves with Marx anymore.
>>1400177
Because it uses Marxian analytic tools (subtrate -> superstructure) to confirm its preconceptions/political views. However the dialectic of the class struggle is discarded, which makes it not full Marxism.
Marx said that the purpose of philosophy wasn't to understand the world, but to change it. And if changing the world means going against the core of Orthodox Marxist philosophy, so be it.
>cultural marxism
Is neither a cultural phenomenon nor has anything to do with marxism.
>>1400177
frankfurt school
>>1401551
> meme conspiracy theory
>>1400177
>Marx is the devil so anything I don't like is Marxist.
>>1401557
>meme
>conspiracy theory
Great job prole, your neuro-linguistic programming skills are improving
You successfully used two terms that generally have negative connotation associated with them
This will surely recruit thousands of supporters to your side
It should be recognized as the effect of capitalism on culture.
It's lowest common denominator culture. There is no conspiracy, just people writing what sells and people buying it. A society less driven by the marketing industry would not have as much 'cultural marxism'.
>>1400177
It's basically a conecpetion of Jackson's "Rainbow coalition". The idea was that the white Americans could not be brought to the left, so a coalition of minorities agitating could be formed to crush them. As the coalition grew, so did their cultural influence, which they used to justify moving leftward. It is this last bit which is usually what /pol/acks are talking about.
>>1400219
/thread
CM is Marxist to the core
>>1401589
Well if so it's not working very well. Speaking from personal experience, a lot of minorities hate each other much more than they hate whites or whites hate them.
>liberalism
???
>>1401597
They don't need to like each other, they just need to work against right wingers.
>>1400177
Cultural Marxism is to the right as fascism is to the left.
A buzzword
>>1401649
Not really, CM has its foundations in a NS propaganda conspiracy theory, then got picked up when people got scared at the frankfurt school (while not understanding a single fucking word they wrote)
fascism is in fact, a real thing...
>>1401649
>fascism is a buzzword
>>1401684
Not that guy, but fascism is the buzzword to end all buzzwords.
>>1400177
there are absolutely zero marxists who have ever believed in or carried out what the alt right /pol/ types call "cultural marxism". it's basically just a term they whipped up because they're angry about social progress and think it must be some massive conspiracy being carried out.
that said, we should totally adopt the term and start using it ourselves because cultural marxism sounds like a great idea
>>1401698
>fascism is the buzzword to end all buzzwords
i admit that i t is often used that way...but its still a very real thing...
>>1400177
Because Focault and the Frankfurt school were inspired by Marx. Sadly the point that the repression of people by race, gender and sexuality being directly tied to class struggle was somewhat lost on them.
And because /pol/acks who spew this meme have never actually read Marx outside of the few passages taken out of context.
>>1401708
It's so overused it basically doesn't mean anything anymore. Orwell was correct that it just became a synonym of "bully".
>>1401722
>Orwell was correct
Orwell is an overused meme as well tbqh
What am i supposed to call a (neo) fascist then, when talking about them in a political context?
>>1401729
I don't know your definition of fascism to be able to answer that.
>>1400219
This proves nothing about cultural marxism. Nowhere does it say that undermining marriage would lead to revolution. Someone who read Marx and endorses Marxist ideas could never say that you can ignore the economy and go straight for culture. Anyone who was familiar with the idea of substructure/superstructure would see immediately this problem.
But most conservatives have never actually read Marx outside of cherry picked quotes from books specifically designed to make you hate Marx.
>>1401729
Dangerous authoritarians, which is all that they are. Fascism isn't a real ideology with any consistent features. Racism was irrelevant to fascists like Pinoche, Franco and Salazar. Religion was irrelevant to Pinoche and Hitler (barring occultism nonsense). Hitler and Mussolini were imperialistic expansionists, Franco and Salazar were isolationists. There isn't a consistent economic platform from one fascist to the next either. It's 100% a meaningless buzzword attached to dictators who don't pretend to be some kind of 'socialist'.
>>1401729
>orwell is an overused meme
By the libertarian right maybe. He was the only leftist worth a shit during that time period, the left today could learn a lot from him.
>>1401764
Hitler was no occultist, this Hollywood tier meme has to stop.
>>1401737
Ok fascism to me describes an Ideology that features two or more of the following:
> reactionary (as in anti-emanzipatory)
>(ultra) nationalism
>anti-left
>major social-darwinist components (racism/ethnopluralism i.e.)
>revanchism
>>1401764
>authoritarians
What does this word even mean? Is there any state in the world that isn't authoritarian?
>>1401780
>reactionary
Well and you took Hitler out with your first line, good job.
>>1401767
The authoritarian left hates his guts. They meme about him like Libertarians meme about "muh roads" in that they can only attack how overused he is in popular discourse rather than refute the ideas.
>>1401767
>He was the only leftist worth a shit during that time period
Dude what?
The best leftist the 1930s-50s have is some rat? (yes, he sniched on people, stalinists...and other people he didnt like...homosexuals for example)
Ok ill give you a very short list of neat Leftists of the time...
speaking of "CM":
>Gramsci
>Adorno
>Pannekoek
>>1401793
>Gramsci
>Adorno
Oven fodder, literally worthless.
>>1401779
Either way, he didn't give a shit about religion and fascism is not a real thing.
>>1401791
This "NS was revoultionary" meme is just revisionism.
NS aswell as litteral fascism played off leftist rethorics and imagery, because these movements were already estabished and that way they could gain traction easier.
National Socialism wasnt revoultionary, it co-operated with and needed, established forces. (nobility, factory owners) How is that not revoultionary?
(also the whole "we need to take our culture back" angle. Do "degenerated art" and literally "cultural bolshevism" ring a bell?)
>>1401684
How is this not true? People across the political spectrum just use it to describe people they don't like at this point.
>>1401802
>literally worthless
stop describing yourself XDDDDDD
no honestly...opininon discarded
>>1401814
NS was EXPLICITLY against reaction. Listen to Horst Wessel Lied.
>>1401827
I can feel the seething rage from your keyboard m8.
Why do leftcoms have the worst comebacks? At least the /pol/tards are funny and anarchists are cool.
>>1401828
>played off leftist rethorics and imagery
>EXPLICITLY against reaction
gee i wonder...
NS' roots are clearly reactionary and as i said
> it co-operated with and needed, established forces. (nobility, factory owners)
>>1401835
no im not really mad at the fact that you have a differning taste in political theory, that would be a stupid thing to get mad about...
could always be worse, could be a Stirnerite
>>1401843
>Stirnerite
His definition of property is the most lucid one I've seen. I still don't like the rest of his work, but the current hate against Stirner seems to be the result of memers rather than critiques of his actual work.
>>1401847
I've seen like 2 people that actually get Stirner, the rest is just shitposting...
>>1401836
>Hitler hated reactionaries
>Reactionaries hated Hitler
>SA marched through German streets singing how they're gonna get their revenge against reaction
>Hitler told Wilhelm II to fuck off when he tried restoring the monarchy
>the only person to attempt assassination against Hitler was a Juncker monarchist
>BUT NAZIS AND REACTION WERE THE SAME THING YOU GUYS :DDD
Get fucked commie retard.
>>1401852
He's like Nietzsche in the sense that most people who hate him hate his fans who misinterpret his work. People then associate the misunderstandings with the original philosopher and then then every time that philosopher is brought up everyone memes it to death.
>>1401861
Stop ignoring the bits about him co-operating with the Bourgeoisie and Nobility...
(Also if NS werent reactionary, which it is, it would still have litterally every other component on my short list...which is more than two)
So no, Hitler is still included
>>1401867
Yeah...Nietzsche Fans who dont get Nietzsche are the fucking worst...
>uhh look at me im edgy, im a nihilist
>>1401882
Hitler also cooperated with the USSR for a brief period, I guess by your logic that makes him a communist? Or it makes Stalin a nazi?
>>1401886
Yeah but I hate it more when smug assholes use his stupid fans to dismiss everything he's ever done. The best example is Bertrand Russell's critique as it is probably the most shameful attack on Nietzsche to date.
It's not liberal because it lacks certain fundamental assumptions of liberalism that you could say it shares with marxism.
It's a kind of revolutionary rhetoric device, or maybe Hegelian, with a master and a slave, or oppressor and victim, whatever you want to call it. You have whites and PoCs, men and women, cis and trans, hetero and homo, capitalists and workers, whatever. Marxism wants to seize power Tsar-murder style,after which a transition to lovely socialism takes place with a few stages in between. Cultural marxism wants to achieve socialism through cultural means. This is through domination of narrative via control of state institutions, increasing state control, dissolution of traditional and therefore conservative institutions like the family, the church etc.
Whether what is called cultural marxism today is exactly what certain people had in mind when they were writing about a 'march through the institutions' and the necessary rhetorical devices to achieve and maintain that dominance is up to debate but I think the term is basically acceptable and probably as precise as you can get with this type of thing.
>>1401882
>If the value of this institution [monarchy] lay in the momentary person of the monarch, it would be the worst institution that can be imagined; for monarchs only in the rarest cases are the cream of wisdom and reason or even of character, as some people like to claim. This is believed only by professional lickspittles and sneaks, but all straightforward men - and these remain the most valuable men in the state despite everything - will only feel repelled by the idea of arguing such nonsense.
t. Adolf Hitler
Yeah, real reactionary this fella.
>>1401890
Ok either you cant read, or you are baiting...
its the ladder i think...(small hint, i wrote more than just the first sentence)
>>1401896
you do realize that im using "reationary" to mean more than "wants to restore monarchy"
Hitler wasnt against Napoleon, that much is obvious
>>1401897
You wrote nothing substantial. Hitler as well as the Soviet commies hated "degenerate bourgeoise art". There is simply almost nothing that would paint Hitler as a reactionary and all facts point to the reality he actually was a life long enemy of reaction.
http://madmonarchist.blogspot.com/2011/11/enemy-of-monarchy-adolf-hitler.html
>>1401906
>"you using reactionary as a criterium puts hitler off the list"
>"no it dosnt, read the original post"
>*derails*
go to bed, kevin...
>>1401912
>Kevin
Letfykraut spotted.
>>1401915
ya got me
>>1400177
Adorno, Horkheimer and Marcuse.
They declared themselves Marxists. If they were, it is quite another story.
The body of their work - idiotic, preposterous and harmful to all civilization - is the so-called Cultural Marxism.
If you do not like the term, deal with it.
Cultural, by shifting the class struggle to the field of the superstructure - the institutions, ideology, forms of organization. Marxism, for its proponents being Marxist (oh!).
>>1401958
Citation needed.
>>1400197
Nigga the college youth of today's far left literally focus on class struggle and quotes from the communist manifesto
>>1402058
t. /pol/ that couldnt get into college and gets triggered every time someone posts a link about sjws
>>1401792
>The authoritarian left hates his guts.
That's because Marxist-Leninists are retards even among communists.
I can at least respect Left-Coms and Anarchists to an extent but holy shit MLs are something else.
>>1402058
>be me
>be in 200 lvl anthropology course
>spend a brief unit on theory
>up next on the syllabus, we'll be talking about one day's worth of Marxist theory contextualized with critiques in context of other more accepted theories
>guy two rows back, he seems off on day of class
>he's always off, a little bit, unkempt and kinda greasy looking, he's got constant ritalin breath which would be a problem if he ever talked
>when he does talk it's to make fun of the culture's he's in class to study, face twists up into pure butthurt when the professor corrects him or asks why he's being so immature.
>anyway, we start in with basic talk of exploitation
>look back
>greaseman's face is beet red, it looks like he's holding in a fart, leg jiggling and sweat beads forming on his brow
>fucking EXPLODES at the teacher about how he can't believe he's trying to indoctrinate us into social justice garbage and how he can't believe universities waste money on niggers
>ohshit.jpg
>he storms out, but instead of doing anything rash, the instructor simply locks the door behind him
>four or five minutes go by, and there's pounding at the door
>it's the turboautist again
>instructor steps outside, can't hear much but there's a lot of whining
>door opens as professor comes back in, the oily turd's sobbing begging him not to refer him to the expulsion process because if he gets kicked out "mommy won't pay my rent anymore"
The moral of the story is that bringing redpills to class is a bad idea, kiddos.
>>1401802
Over half of Britain's MPs have studied Marcuse and Gramsci and the rest. I can't imagine it's much different for the rest of Europe and the US.
>>1402130
That's a great story that never happened
>>1400177
it's just a buzzword like SJW
>>1400177
>Cultural Marxism
It's a /pol/ meme
>ITT commie fedoras deny their own ideology while defending it
>>1402081
What part of it is wrong?
>>1400177
It's the application of Marxist thinking to Cultural and Social issues
It's just a umbrella buzzword to refer to leftists who are trying to change western society.
>>1402391
point to where this is happening.
>>1400177
It's just a shitty attempt by the far-right to associate everything they don't like with spooky scary socialism
>>1400219
Not that I would to make apologies, but that was young and edgy Engels. In his later years, this kinda shit was basically lip service.
Anyway, the Church institution of marriage (and other sacraments) were more about control (the Church via state rulers: kings, dukes or emperors, etc) of every day life. Wanna have legal sex? Wanna have legal children? Wanna not be on our naughty list? Wanna go to heaven? Then you need to go through us, and it's only a little fee... Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
In this context, the female is clearly subordinated, but it's not about class (as Engels suggests), simply control.
>>1400185
No, that's false. Maoist Third Worldists believe only poor people in poor countries are proletarian, and some black nationalists twisted this to say only blacks are the American proletariat, but neither of these groups are taken seriously by Marxists.
The Lumpenproletariat wasn't even intended to mean conservative-leaning workers. Marx was going that term to describe prostitutes or thieves, poor people so removed from mainstream capitalism that they did not see themselves as working class. Lenin expanded this to proletarians who supported capitalism in the face of socialism.
>>1402058
Right, but that's actual Marxism. Not "cultural Marxism", which seems to just mean standard left-liberalism.
>>1402058
Only people who never got into college say that
So basically all of pol and right wingers
>>1400923
That's only one brand of Communism. Specifically what came out of the Third International (and later morphed into Stalinism or "Socialism in One Country"). It took several years after Lenin's death to solidify, but basically the outcome was that communist revolution had to be exported (and could not be waited upon to foment naturally, as this could take decades or centuries), and had to be controlled by a strong centralized directing core (in Moscow, just as gosh darn luck would have it...)
Trotsky famously disagreed, but more over the fact that radical revolution didn't need to be controlled exclusively by Stalinism in Moscow. He still believed in exporting revolution, and violently so, but that it should be more autonomous in nature (i.e. the Fourth International), although still ultimately and ideally should have been directed by the Comintern (which HE should lead, and not Stalin).
>>1401633
I'll take Teenage Edginess for 1000, Alex.
>>1401895
That takes a view that people supporting gay rights or black rights, for example, are doing so specifically to instil 'socialism', which is a ridiculous tinfoil premise.
I'd agree though that popular social movements these days (LGBTQSIAABBQ, BLM, etc.) are infused with a rhetoric of "our way is the best way, and you must do it like this or else" which obviously is not a real improvement.
>>1400185
maybe you should start listening to what marxist parties are saying, instead of listening to liberal SJWs and highschool philosophers?
I am a member of one such party, why don't you ask me if you want to really know what marxists are up to?
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2016/07/11/baby-storm-five-years-later-preschooler-on-top-of-the-world.html
What do you make of this?
Cultural Marxism is bad because 'traditional' = correct
>>1400219
you have to apply the historic circumstances to that, in the 19th century the family was structured in such a way that women were commodified, like in many primitive countries today throughout asia and africa.
Before you say that is propaganda, I know from my grandmother for a fact that marriages were decided by the families of the spouses and not the spouses themselves, or in other occasions by the husbands, if the husband was an experienced man.
We can apply his theory to contemporary feminism, as we can see how feminist gender politics today divide society along gender lines the same way traditionalists divided society before, only today they vie for female privilege over men.
Feminism has been a divisive cancerous political movement from the moment it was created. What has it done for the communist movement? It has divided workers along the lines of female liberation, when both male and female workers should fight for workers liberation. It is a cancerous, divisive politic based on nothing but female identity and is manipulated by the elites as such, to make the communist movement weaker and to undermine it.
Today feminists don't even struggle for women's liberation, they fight for female privilege, and they fight for irrelevant matters of identity while they never even touch upon the subject of economics.
fuck feminists.
Pretty sure the Cultural part of it strings into Marxist theory regarding oppressor v. oppressed, usually in a method that draws a false equivalence between some alleged evil and proposes a solution which, in practice, has the opposite outcome, the exact opposite of what was intended.
So some nigger whines about not getting more money from whatever welfare/foodstamps program they are on, claiming the white man is holding them down from prosperity, that they use the leverage they have in the workplace, media, etc. to abuse the poor niggers who just want an honest day's work (ayy lmao). So they rally together and suggest they revolutionize the method of thought in regards to "white privilege". The rest, you can see today.
Also has a lot to do with the USSR using ideological subversion to invade the Western world and inject Marxist/Leninist theory into the campuses (t. Yuri).
>>1402772
Those are the ugliest haircuts in the world.
If the ultimate goal of the so-called conspiracy of Cultural Marxism is/was the overthrow of capitalism and the installation of global communism, then I'd say that the conspiracy was an abject fucking failure, no?
Read a book. Start with this one.
>>1402910
They still did a damn good job of creating a generation of indirect Marxist sympathizers/borderline Bolsheviks.
The kids I went to college with literally advocate for the overthrow of "big business" and "equal pay".
It was an effort to change their vocabulary, use words like "fair" and "equal" to push for changes that would have ramifications not observable short-term, but clear-as-day long-term.
See>>1402895
>>1402763
Kill yourself. That's all I gotta say to you.
>>1400177
Because it's extrapolation of Marx's beliefs
>>1400177
Why is it called "holy Roman Empire" when it was holy nor Roman nor an empire?
Shouldn't it be called federation of dutchies
Marxism is already commodified. It's not revolutionary anymore. It probably never was.
>>1402724
better than fucking Orwell...
>>1402956
stay mad /pol/kiddie :^)
>>1400185
>Marxist theory
Something that you have never read apparently.
>>1400219
>look I found some quote on the Internet
And what does this have to do with "cultural Marxism"?
You're an idiot. Idiots really shouldn't post on /his/.
>Democratic
>People's
>Republic of
>Korea
>Union of
>Soviet
>Socialist
>Republics
>Cultural
>Marxism
>Holy
>Roman
>Empire.
The meme grows.
Base and superstructure.
>>1403551
/his/ would die if idiots didn't post
t. idiot
>>1400177
Because anti-communists are uneducated imbeciles who need to lump everything together else they couldn't make any sense of the world.
>>1403563
boards on 4chan don't die, the threads persist forever
better to have a few good threads than a swamp of shit.
read a book, come back when you have something useful to contribute
>>1402130
Jesus Cristo, why are you such a bitch?
We both know that isn't what the average class in a humanities course is like, in fact we both know that the academia is indeed dominated by left-leaning dogma.
And this is coming from a guy that spent half his youth fighting neocons and fundies.
Don't worry though, for every 10 humanities professors spouting poorly researched opinions and dogma there is a STEM prof. shouting his Red-Scare tier shitshow.
It will be fun when this all blows up on peoples face and it becomes clear the current educational model is shit.
Pretty sure this video explains "cultural Marxism".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8pPbrbJJQs
>>1402130
Wow, and then I bet all the girls gave you fellatio and the professor offered you a PHD in Coolness as a bald eagle flew overhead right?
