Tell me about the Republicans, /his/. Were they the "good guys?" Did they commit atrocities, just like any other Red movement? Would Spain have been better off if they had won?
>>1398735
>good guys
Fuck off idiot.
>>1398748
That's why I'm asking you dickwad
I would say they started out as the good guys, but since no one else in the international community would offer anything more than a sympathetic head-shake (thanks Britain, France, and the US) they were forced to rely almost entirely on the USSR for aid.
This meant that Stalin could basically force the Republic to make whatever concessions he liked, lest the Soviet Union withdraw support and leave them floundering. So towards the end of the war, the NKVD had effectively subverted the entire republican government and turned it into a Stalinist puppet (this is when they started purging Anarchists and Trotskyists).
The choice was, at that point, between a Marxist-Leninist dictatorship and a traditionalist one, and honestly, the latter was probably better for Spain in the long run.
Don't get me wrong, I would have much preferred that Franco and co. either never chimped out to begin with, or were quickly suppressed by a French-American-British backed Republic. But if the Soviet-supported state had won, it would have just meant an Iberian incarnation of Eastern Europe post-1945.
>>1398735
They were the heroes Spain deserved, but not the heroes she needed.
>>1398773
>They were the heroes Spain deserved, but not the heroes she needed.
>>1398782
Do you post this picture in every thread
>>1398735
They were the bad guys,burning churches and killing the leaders of the opposition.Franco ended their fedoraism and brought greatness until fedoras took power back
>>1398802
>They were the bad guys,burning churches and killing the leaders of the opposition.
The nationalists did this shit too, in greater numbers even.
>>1398806
>The nationalists did this shit too
When did they burn churches,and when did they kill the enemies of the opposition prior to the civil war.You are memeing fedora man
>>1398812
You didn't say 'prior to the war' in your first post.
The Nationalists executed republicans (or those associated with the republicans) en masse. Including all of the women they threw to be raped by the Moroccan troops.
>le everyone who doesn't agree with me is le fedora XD
kill yourself
>>1398735
They were the democratically ellected Government which faced a military uprising.
Period.
>>1398816
>You didn't say 'prior to the war' in your first post.
The thread was about republicans.Besides nationalist never burnt a church unlike republican fedoras.
>The Nationalists executed republicans
Because their crimes prior to the war.
> Including all of the women they threw to be raped by the Moroccan troops
Memes.It was just war propaganda.
>le everyone who doesn't agree with me is le fedora XD
Republicans=fedora lords.Prove me wrong.
>>1398735
In the civil war you can't really judge one of the two sides as a monolithic entity. We talk about nationals and republicans (or other names) but what we actually have is two loose tacit pacts. Completely different groups are in one of the sides for supporting or opposing the military coup (not even leaded by Franco at the begining).
The republican side was even less monolithic than their enemies (and that's an important cause of it's demise). You have perfectly acceptable groups like the Navy or the government. And then you have groups that, while opposing Franco&co., at the same time were doing their own revolutions and would be seen as enemies and not allies of the Republic in any other situation. They even fought amongst themselves, because they were doing different revolutions.
Of course, both sympathizers and demonizers tend to ignore this.
>>1398769
This was the kind of answer I was looking for, thanks m8
>>1398769
Franco and the army chimped out because feodras were killing the leaders of the oppostion and burnt churches.Franco did nothing wrong
>>1398812
In the vasque country they killed a great number of independentist priests you silly.
>>1398802
Can you explain the whole letter of credit vs mortage housing thing to me? I don't really understand how that system would work.
Although Franco is extremely based.
>>1398735
>good guys
There aren't good guys in history
>>1398748
wow, nice argument my /pol/friend
>>1398735
They were literal communists and should have all been thrown out of helicopters.
If the anarchists and communists had won it would have been better General Franco's extreme right wing ultra Christian fascist state.
>>1399732
DUDE. PINOCHET. LMAO XDd!!!!!
Just imagine the disaster it would have been if the """Republicans""" won.
Fuck u
>>1398802
Eat death, you fascist fist-fucker.
40 years of falangist terror.
>>1398846
Franco: fascist dictator.
Did virtually everything wrong.
Unless you were wealthy, a Christfag or a militarist.
>>1398869
Part of the banking was based around helpung the country. Banks instead of investing on speculation,focused on building,dams,building homes,fixing roads and the like. This banks gave credits with almost 0 interest for poor and middle class people,specially on the houses that the caja built.
>Russian Civil War: communists win in Russia, anti-communists win in Finland. Finland turns up a better country
>Chinese Civil War: communists win in Mainland China, anti-communists win in Taiwan. Taiwan ends up a better country
>Korean War: communists win in the North, anti-communists keep control of the South. South Korea becomes a better country
Why do people still ask if Spain would be better if the communists had won, when the communist countries are always worse than their anti-communist equivalent?
>>1398802
>ranked 9th
>great power
>spain in the 20th century
>great power
>>1398735
The Spanish civil war is kind of like /his/. At first, everyone looked at it as a welcome change. Then the fascists (/pol/) and commies (Tumblr, reddit, /leftypol/) showed up. At this point, the foreign powers backing the Republicans (every anon who isn't an ideological retard) said "thanks g00k, but this shitty argument isn't worth the effort" and went in their separate ways because they never cared that much to begin with.
Once all the reasonable people left, you're left with two shitty options, and honestly the fascists are preferable for being a little bit less shitty
>>1398735
When are gommies ever good guys?
>>1398735
>history
>good guys
Please
>le franco was fascist meme
>>1398802
> growing the economy through use of your cheap as dirt currency and nice beaches
I don't understand why neo-Francoists are impressed by tourist based economic growth. Every banana republic is capable of it with a little stability and quasi-competent leadership.
>>1398758
>History
>Good guys and bad guys!
:^)
Just get out.
>>1400228
>Communism is better than a stagnant conventional dictatorship
WEW LAD
The CNT-FAI, FIJL and Friends of Durruti were the good guys with the help of the POUM. Everyone else was an authoritycuck.
>>1400929
Who else was there in the 70's?
USA, USSR, UK, France, Italy, FRG, andbJapan I'd expect as top 7, 8th I can decide. China was still a Maoist nuthouse, while South Korea, Indonesia, and India were still agri based. Spain easily could've been #9
>>1401564
Thanks for the (You), but don't put words on my mouth
>>1398830
This is really low tier bait, but I'l bite and give you your coveted (You).
>>1398769
So why didn't Those countries backed the republicans?
>>1401703
The other nations didn't want to risk a war with the other fascist powers, especially not over something like Spain.
>>1401703
because no one wanted war right after wwi
>>1401947
no, people believed there was a communist conspiracy in the republic
and in the end the other powers not helping made this a self fulfilling prophecy as the ussr had a monopoly on the foreign aid
>>1401728
>>1401953
Both of these.
The right wing politicians in the aforementioned countries' governments did everything in their power to prevent aid from going to the republicans.
Also, a lot of left-liberals were leery about the more radical parties in the republican coalition.They were all for a parliamentary liberal democracy, but not any attempts at socialism.
Even the less radical communists (Marxist-Leninist ComIntern agents in this case) were opposed to the anarchists, for example.
>>1401981
So their wariness for a left wing country ensured its shift to extreme right wing. No wonder Orwell is so fucking bitter
>>1401981
Socialism was in vogue during those times. Western governments went hardcore against that just after WWII. The great depression just ended and capitalism had the bad name since.
Therefore, the theory of "western governments rejected aiding a socialist country" does not sustain itself.
>>1402005
[citation needed]
>>1402012
[countercitation needed]
>>1402005
Socialism was in vogue for the intelligentsia, the youth, and a lot of workers. It certainly wasn't in vogue among politicians.
The western democracies were all liberal states, and supporting an ideology that supported the overthrow of capitalism and liberal democracy would be suicide.
Everyone saying the Republicans weren't the good guys are the obnoxious Deus vult Catholics or helicopter ride Pinochet supporting fascists. Killing fascists and religious fanatics is always good
>>1402054
>>1402022
lmao what a reply
burden of truth my boy
>>1402022
[contra-citación necesario]
>>1398802
>THAT FUCKING GOVERNMENT DEBT
>THAT UNEMPLOYMENT
>THAT SHRINKING MIDDLE CLASS
Spain you need another Franco
