can a communist/anarchist on /his/ please explain to me your view? i legitimately dont understand how it could work.
>>1391411
People don't need a state or capitalism to form a functioning society. Instead, society should be run on the principle of mutual aid; people help each other because it is mutually beneficial to do so.
Could you be more specific about what you don't understand?
>>1391411
The bourgeoisie are exploiting my surplus value and the state is taxing me whilst also imposing laws I don't like.
First off, it's clear that the state and the bourgeoisie are the source of these problems. Therefore getting rid of them would solve these problems.
>But they're necessary.
But they aren't. The proletariat do everything for everyone anyway, in the absence of someone to penalize them there's no reason to think they'd suddenly stop.
Just read the fucking manifesto.
>>1391680
Take a look at this faggot
>>1391411
I don't know how to make it more clear to you OP. Scooby-Doo and the Witch's Ghost just isn't as good as anything in Scooby-Doo: Mystery Inc. None of the cast had anything interesting going on until Mystery Inc. except MAYBE you can say Scooby-Doo, but he was more annoying than interesting.
>>1391689
>the proletariat do everything for everyone anyway
That's false.
>>1391689
That's extremely selfish.
>>1391411
All forms of communim, anarcho-syndicalism etc rely on the fact that human nature is malleable. They always make fun of the human nature argument, but their theory hinges of the fact that how humans act under capitalism isn't how humans are.
Marx for example believed that during the higher stages of communist society "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" would be the norm and everyone accepted it as something just and logical.
>>1392890
Zombie Island best Scooby Doo.
>>1392913
>This is what statists actually believe
>>1391680
But for that to work humans would need to function on a level where the macro matters more than the micro (as in understand and behave for the good of the community first and consider their own desires and feeling only after that), and we definitely don't.
I mean I like the idea of "no state" and I think that if humans lived in smaller self-reliant communities it could be applied with success.
I've just yet to hear how the idea of people just doing good stuff because that's good for the community could work on a larger, emotionally disconnecting, scale.
>>1392907
>That's extremely selfish.
That kind of moralism is part of what enables such a ridiculously unfair system in the first place.
>>1392947
>That kind of moralism is part of what enables such a ridiculously unfair system in the first place.
It's not moralism. I don't disagree with anarchism nor communism, but I would never try to propose it by saying "I don't like laws ergo no one should have them"
>>1392890
Boo Brothers was the best desu
>>1392927
>anarchists can't enjoy a well-crafted family movie that both satisfies and subverts existing expectations based on previous entries in the franchise
Shocker.
>>1392954
Why not?
>>1392955
>anything featuring scrappy doo
>best
>good
>tolerable
>not suicide inducing
>>1391411
Simple. Property, money, and the state are just repressive tools used by the ruling class to exploit working people. There can be no human liberty so long as they exist
These facts may bruise liberal egos but that won't make it any less true.
>>1392987
Who will prevent people from acquiring property?
Who will prevent people to trade valuable items for a type of currency that is accepted to have value by those who trade?
If there are people who regulate said actions, isn't the state nothing but an institution made of people who rule over others by various means, such as regulation?
I'm genuinely intrigued.
>>1392987
>Mugi
>Communist
Pick one
>>1393035
Well if we're talking about full (post-scarcity) communism, there isn't really a need to worry about the first two points. If we're talking about the path to establishing communism, then different sects will answer you in different ways.
Personally I'm a market socialist, so people exchanging goods isn't a problem. As for property - how and why are you going to acquire something which is public?
>>1391411
Scoob and the gang hookup with cool Wiccan punk rockers and take on a totally spooky witch ghost, taking breaks to nosh on scooby snacks every once in a while.
>>1393035
>Who will prevent people from acquiring property?
By property I of course mean land tied to the production process. Common property rights will be protected in the same way private property is today, that being by a mixture of armed violence and ideological influence. The former will be undertaken preferably not any standing army or police force though, but open organizations of armed workers.
>Who will prevent people to trade valuable items for a type of currency that is accepted to have value by those who trade?
There will always be a few people capable of cheating the system, but black markets won't be a problem as long as the economy is stable. The answer is the same as above.
>If there are people who regulate said actions, isn't the state nothing but an institution made of people who rule over others by various means, such as regulation?
That's what every state is.
>>1391411
>can a communist/anarchist on /his/ please explain to me your view?
I am neither
> i legitimately dont understand how it could work.
Anarchy. Simply NO! It won't work
Communism
China has adopted a Capital Communist model which has brought hundreds of millions out of poverty. It's far from perfect but 1.3 billion people are many in functional.
>inb4 student dissent, many still in poverty, no press freedom, etc.
They're trying really hard to make it work.
Cuba hasn't failed exactly. Cuba's problem is no change in leadership and failure to make any Capitalist reforms. If Cuba had moved toward a Chinese model instead of remaining Soviet, they could have been the crown jewel of Communism.
The Soviet Union collapsed because their economy could not handle the economic pressures placed upon it by the arms race and the western economies as a whole. They failed to adopt any Capitalist reforms. The US researched the Soviet Union to death.
>Cold War U.S. Submarine Sailor detected.
Big problems with past Communist systems has been wholesale slaughter of those who dissent (Stalin, Mao, and others) which took on a Fascist of Dictatorial aura. The Dictators liked being Dictators.
>inb4 yes dissent is still not handled well in China or Cuba and there is still a Castro in charge
>>1392845
That is a nice cigarette
>>1392987
>Simple. Property, money, and the state are just repressive tools used by the ruling class to exploit working people. There can be no human liberty so long as they exist
So there is no liberty in Western Democratic Republics. Maybe. I might agree that true liberty has become a myth in the United States. But I am not for Anarchy in any form.
>>1393083
>I'm a market socialist
Sounds like a good idea
Disclaimer: I have no clue what I am talking about but it sounds good.
>>1392977
N'YUCK N'YUCK N'YUCK
>>1391411
To be fair, I'm a capitalist (or state capitalist) up until when automation gets good enough to replace most jobs.
The problem is that people today view economics as they did for the past 100 years.
Which doesn't work anymore.
Technology will drastically disrupt the work force in the next 20 years (if not less).
So if you aren't for Universal Basic Income now, then you should be shortly.
>>1392959
>Statists can't enjoy literally everything being better and working reasonably for the first time because it isn't the way we usually do things in this franchise
Double shocker.
