God they look awful. I really don't want to believe it :(
Keep whining, faggot
They did, but we can only reconstruct the base coat of paint today. There's no way they appeared as crude.
But also, you were raised with the idea of the austere, blank marble statue. The rennaisance sculpting tradition was also derived from the Greeks after all. Even if they could be accurately portrayed you would probably still have an aversion to them.
Take a step back nigga
>>1388994
They did, however those historians who have painted some as examples are not artists and they have no idea about shading or subtly, they've just done childish block colours.
The real ones would have looked a lot better and realistic.
>>1388994
Is that a Persian?
People often forget that the Statue of David actually depicts a black man.
>>1388994
I can believe it. People in Somalia think that older buildings look better because they're not painted, when the paint just rotted off due to the civil war.
>>1389046
Even if that's true, how is it related? The Statue of David was made during the Renaissance. People didn't paint statues by the Renaissance Period
>>1389021
Scythian
It's actually a lot less weird than NOT painting them, if you think about it.
Yep. Greco-Romans had absolutely shit taste.
It's not just art, really everything we think we took from the Greeks and Romans is just things we projected on our made up image of them.
>>1389077
>mfw the THIN YOUR PAINTS meme was actually there since the dawn of time
>>1389121
The Romans did the same about the Greeks. The Greeks did the same about the Egyptians. American liberals do the same about Europeans.
>>1389121
idk senpai these pots look pretty nice
>>1389149
the pots were originally painted too
>>1389162
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENXvZ9YRjbo
>>1388994
>Did the Greeks and Roman's really paint their statues?
Not like that
>>1389135
Paints back then lack in pigment content more so than modern paints. Thin paints were all they had.
>>1389162
Please not the pots too!
>>1389162
this makes me almost as sad as dinosaurs with feathers
The temples were painted too btw.
Lots of red and yellow everywhere.
>>1389183
Dinosaurs with feathers are adorable.
>>1389184
Eh the temples don't look nearly as bad painted as the statues though
>>1389184
I hate the Greeks now.
>>1389187
>tfw no feathery T-Rex best friend to go on wacky adventures with
>>1388994
Were the Greeks ginger?
>>1389075
>>1388994
why can't scientists just hire some random art student that has an eye for color to do this, they work for scraps.
look at this painting from Pompey. Romans and presumably Greeks could absolutely paint well, look at this kick ass shading in the face and even the folds of clothing, it's different for each and even reveals some difference in the textures. Look at the slight fading of blue on the left guy's face, the rose on his cheeks jumps out and really feels lively, and also pay attention to the colored highlights on the things they're holding and their hair, this painting is fucking awesome and impressive to me as a modern day person.
Can this just be a Greek & Roman art appreciation thread instead
>>1389257
Why does the right look like a nigger? are we wuz right?
>>1389257
This. I can't believe Greeks painted their magnificent statues to look like shit.
>>1389322
Rome was one of the most ethnically diverse civilizations of its time. Everyone knows this, anon
>>1388994
Get over it. Not only greeks were brown as fuck, but also their temples and statues looked like gaudy indian shit.
>>1389162
I-is this true? I though the black thing was the paint.
>>1389187
No they're not, stop ruining my childhood.
>>1389358
Get fucked.
>>1389315
IDK, chill out dude. The Romans ruled
>>1389322
Because men were tanned as fuck from working on the fields all day.
>>1389397
>dark brown hair
>dar brown eyes
Barely white in northern europe.
>>1389431
>northern europe.
>>1389422
Yeah the guy in the toga holding a scroll of paper and being painted on the wall of a villa in a wealthy holiday resort town worked on the fields all day. You stupid fuck.
>>1389422
>Able to afford portraits
>Live in Pompeii
>Working on the fields all day
>>1389162
I know sometimes they used to use white paint for female skin, but I had never heard of any other kind of painting. Do you have a source or a reconstruction or something?
>>1388994
they did, but you do need to take a step back and think about what painted statues meant in context.
namely, paints and dyes were fucking expensive in the ancient world. with red dyed clothing signaling that you were well off, and violet dye meaning you had more money than Trump.
Painting their statues and public works was seen as a sign of the immense wealth of Greece/Rome, and was a spectacle to see a city/empire so rich that not only can they dye their clothing, but also their public works to boot.
>>1389322
The Romans were southern Italian in appearance. In fact all the great Mediterranean civilizations were composed of people that were swarthy as fuck. Sorry you had to find out this way.
Fuck every color hating nigger in this thread by the way. As has been pointed out the original statues and buildings were not nearly as gaudy but they were still bright and colorful as it should be.
>>1389499
Nice perspective. Too bad /his/torians are so full of it that I never know when people are talking with knowledge or making stuff up.
>>1389488
Um. No.
>>1389187
I really really hope that's what they looked like
THIN YOUR PAINTS
>>1389539
They probably didn't, they would have feathers or spines in some locations, but not the full coverage we see on modern birds.
Not all therapod dinosaurs have been verified to have feathers either.
>>1389779
Anything but is heresy.
>>1389528
>Rodan
>>1389529
>tfw you will never own your own gladiatorfu
fucking humanism i wanna breed my own races of people and shit
There is literally nothing wrong with ugly painted Greek statues. So what if they don't match up with some mythical perception you have of them? Stop taking undue, underserved and excessive pride in a group of people which you have no relation to beyond some vague and distant influences they have on your world today. Study the Greeks as you would any other civilization.
>>1389322
Its standard practice amongst classical artists to depict men as having darker skin than women
>>1389378
Its not paint, its a thin clay that turns black when you bake it. Pots like that were not painted
>>1390415
>he doesnt idealize hellas
>he thinks they painted their statues like a granny would her arts and crafts
barbarians please gfto
>>1389315
It triggers me too. It's because while they're spreading the reality that statues were painting, they're at the same time making everyone think they looked like total shit baby paintings when in reality they would have looked awesome.
>>1390415
Nobody is doing that, we're just saying the modern reconstructed paintjobs are terrible and they should hire an actual fucking artist to do it.
>>1389431
It actually says reddish hair
>kοkkινωπα μαλλια
>>1389075
Historians are fucking retards. Why do they think a history degree gives them any practical skill like this?
You see it with limp wristed historians and weapons. Fucking embarrassing they dont go to an actual expert.
>>1389488
no, more like slavic
>>1389511
>The Romans were southern Italian in appearance.
not according to the painted statues
>>1390499
They reconstructed the statues based on exactly how they would have been painted, at least on the base coat
>>1389499
Here's a little extra tidbit regarding pigments.
The materials that were ground to make these pigmwnts could get extremely expensive. Purple was a trade secret and Ultramarine Blue, for example was made of crushed Lapis Lazuli.
What is lapis lazuli, you ask? IT'S A FUCKING GEMSTONE. AS IN, YOU HAD TO HEAD TO A GEMSTONE MINE, FIND A VEIN OF LAPIS LAZULI, AND MINE THE FUCK OUT OF IT TO GET YOUR PIGMENT BASE. AND THEN SHIP IT BACK WITHOUT GETTING ANALLY RAPED BY BANDITS WITH SPEARS BECAUSE GUESS WHAT, YOU'RE SHIPPING MOTHERFUCKING GEMSTONES.
>>1389529
thicc
>>1389059
Are you playing dumb or really this ignorant? The statue of David was found in present day Sudan around 50 years before Michaelangelo was commissioned to strip the paint and give him white features.
>>1388994
Well we know they painted walls so why not statues?
>>1389003
>They did, but we can only reconstruct the base coat of paint today. There's no way they appeared as crude.
The only correct answer in this thread, everyone else should quit whining. Anyone who ever painted anything other than a wall must know that you use a base coat. That's the only layer applied directly to the surface, and so the only one you can reconstruct after everything else peeled off.
Obviously the shading and more subtle layered colours can't be reconstructed because they were applied onto the basecoat, so with those reconstructions you're just left with a flat basic colour.
>>1388994
Are you really so narrow minded that you cannot grasp that people had different beauty standards in other times and places? Are you also appalled by the fact that people used to wear funny looking wigs?
>>1390782
>at least on the base coat
well thats the problem
>>1390886
>>> /pol/
>>1389183
>implying feather dinosaurs arent cool as fuck
>>1390782
This would be like reconstructing The Creation of Adam by drawing the guide lines and then scoffing at how shit renaissance frescos were.
>>1390415
You retards realize this is only the base coat right? They can only get samples of the paint that came in contact with the stone.
They probably resembled Christian statues which are also painted
>>1391207
Even cultures who painted statues in base colors used multiple coats as was the case with indigenous people in Canada.
There is zero reason to believe they only used one base coat seeing as even Egyptian decorations had many coatings.. Scarcity of materials you just pulled out of your ass
>>1391099
I want it.
>ywn eat fried dinosaur, dinosaur wings...
Why were Egyptians so much better?
>>1389075
>File: true-colors-of-greek-statues-4.jpg (89 KB, 630x526)
>greek
HHMMM...
>>1391487
To be fair it was technically sculpted by Greek masters.
>>1389184
This actually looks nice.
>>1391099
Damn rigth
only a faggot would want his dinosaurs featherless
>>1391457
Comparing apples to oranges, Egyptian art was highly stylistic, and strict, so while the Greco-Roman artists were competing on who can produce the best art, Ancient Egyptian artists were competing on who can reproduce the same art best.
This lead to a lot of experimentation in Greco-Roman art, and eventually lead to realism, while Egyptian art remained stagnant for thousands of years, and produced very few master pieces.
The Nefertiti bust is one of those rare master pieces, but it was made in Dynastic Egypt's only experimental period, the Amarna. So you can't really use it as proof of Egyptian artistic superiority, though it's proof of what could have been, had the Amarna experiment succeeded.
>>1389183
>this makes me almost as sad as dinosaurs with feathers
Feather dinosaurs are way better wtf
>>1391605
The bust of Nefertiti was made during the second half of the Amarna period when the early "experimental" phase had sort of passed, at least in sculpture. Egyptian art often followed tbs pattern of experimentation followed by a return to orthodoxy, like in the First Intermediate Period followed by the reunification of Lower and Upper Egypt.
>>1390415
It looks rather Hindoo
>>1389257
>presumably Greeks
Definitely. Roman painting and mosaic owes as much to the Greeks as Roman sculpture.
>>1391815
>>1391821
I think it's safe to assume that they looked more like this than what has been posted so far
>>1391827
>>1391829
>>1391836
>>1391828
>the Greeks and Romans were swarthy and greasy like modern Greeks and Italians
please, read the Iliad
nearly every character has blue eyes and fair hair
>>1389457
I have a few pictures. Most of them weren't like this though.
>>1391845
Look at the post above yours.
>>1391828
Holy fuck, that's actually badass.
>>1389149
>T-Rex mode
THE BRIGHT, GARISH PAINT WAS ONLY THE BASE LAYER YOU DUMBASSES
>>1391852
>>1391857
look at the dozens of posts above yours
I guess you're one of those who think Africanus is black because his statue is black painted?
>>1391869
>THE EVIDENCE DOESN'T SUPPORT MY BLACK HISTORY MONTH PROJECT
>>1391874
I think that the countless portraits that the Greeks and Romans made of themselves are accurate representations of what they looked like, which is confirmed by literary and genetic evidence showing continuity between ancient and modern Mediterranean populations.
http://dienekes.awardspace.com/articles/hellenes/
>It is sometimes mentioned that ancient literature provides evidence for the significant existence of Nordics in ancient Hellas. It does nothing of the kind. There are numerous references to brunets in ancient mythology and literature, e.g., the Muses, Poseidon, Alcmena, Theseus, Zeus, Dionysos and Odysseus are described as possessing either dark hair or dark eyes. Hercules, the Greeks’ favorite hero is described as dark (melanan), hook-nosed (grupon) by Dicaearchus (Clement of Alexandria, “Protreptic to the Greeks” 2.30.7). Hercules was also proverbially melampugos (having a black behind) as indicative of his bravery, as opposed to pugargos (having a white behind), a coward [29]. The Greek poetess Sappho (an aristocrat from the isle of Lesbos in the 7th c. BC) reveals that both she and her mother were dark (Fr. 98a, line 11). Philoktetes and Aias were also both brunet-skinned and black-haired (Malalas, Chronogr. 104, 3-8). The Spartan kings were Heraclids, claiming descent from Hercules. Similarly, Agamemnon and Menelaus, the Atreid leaders of the Achaeans in the Trojan War were descendants of Pelops, whose name means "dark-faced" [55]. Some have argued that Menelaus is described by Homer as xanthos to reflect the racial type of the Greek aristocracy; if this was true, how odd that the founder of his dynasty (whose name is preserved in that of the Peloponnese, lit. Pelops' Island) would be described as “dark”.
>>1391899
>We must also not neglect to mention the detailed analysis of classicist Denys Page [26] who, in agreement with the ancient testimony of Callimachus (Fr. 299.1) demonstrates that the epithet elikôpes, collectively used for the Homeric Achaeans, probably meant “dark-eyed,” rather than “with rolling eyes” as it was erroneously thought. Eleanor Irwin, who wrote the definitive work on color terms in Greek poetry [29] agrees with this opinion, and so does Noel Robertson who summarizes [45] current opinion as follows: “it is clear that the meaning ‘black’ is well-founded, whereas ‘rolling’ or ‘twisting’ rests on a misunderstanding of various compounds.” Finally, some personages (e.g., Theseus and Dionysos) are portrayed in Greek literature sometimes as blond (Euripides) and sometimes as brunet (Hesiod), indicating that there was not a uniform belief about their pigmentation. The second most popular Greek hero, Theseus, founder of Athens was dark-eyed (Bacchylides 17.16-19).
>>1391902
>A certain measure of naivete can excuse claims of the alleged blondeness of the ancient Greeks. Sometimes, the common-sense explanation of literary descriptions is conveniently discounted, and a generalization from sporadic references to blondes in ancient literature is performed without much thought. In an oft-used example, Orestes’ hair is described as fair, in Euripides’ Electra (line 515) as a dramatic device aiding Electra’s recognition of her brother from a lock of his hair on her father Agamemnon’s tomb. Clearly, if Orestes was depicted as brunet, the common Greek color, it would be impossible for Electra to identify him. Indeed, according to the poet, the person who left the fair lock on the tomb “certainly was no Argive” (line 517) suggesting that the inhabitants of Argos mostly had dark hair. Similarly, Demeter, the goddess of the corn is described as light-haired (xanthe) and so is Apollo, the god of light and the sun. Poseidon, the sea god is dark-haired (kuanochaites), as is Hades, god of the underworld, while Eos, the Dawn goddess is rosy-fingered (rhododaktylos).
>There are only four mortals in the Iliad who are described as xanthoi. From this scanty evidence, the generalization “the Achaeans were blonde” is arrived by the Nordicists. Does the absence of descriptions of brunets signify that there were no brunets in the southernmost extremity of Europe in Mycenaean times? Clearly, such a thesis overlooks the common use of color terms as distinctive attributes of their possessors. It is more reasonable to think that Menelaos and Achilleus are described as xanthoi, while hundreds of other heroes are not as indicative that these two possessed a trait which was otherwise uncommon, i.e., light pigmentation of hair. The same can be said for light eyes as well, and e.g., Athena’s light eyes caused the scorn of Hera and Aphrodite in a text by Hyginus who presumably did not have such eyes (Hyginus, Fabulae, Marsyas).
![44fb48f05fbc272ddc594bfd9fe5bf51[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/3xxWl77.jpg "44fb48f05fbc272ddc594bfd9fe5bf51[1].jpg")
>>1389187
hilarious
>>1391870
whoa
>>1391869
no they definitely all looked like this
>>1391905
>We must also dispel the notion that xanthos always refers to yellow hair, or that purros refers to purely red hair. For the former, we note that Aristophanes used xanthizein to describe roasting meat, which of course does not turn yellow. Additionally, Strabo uses xanthotrichein and leukotrichein (making hair xanthon and making hair “white”) indicating that xanthon was a darker shade than extremely fair hair. George Cedrenus uses it to describe the eyes of the Virgin (xanthommaton); eyes are rarely yellow, unless jaundiced, which seems unlikely in this case. In modern Greek it may be used to describe any color short of black [22]. In ancient Greek, according to Barbara Fowler [28] was any color short of black or dark brown, while Wace [22] believes that it may have been at most auburn. Color terms are notoriously relative; xanthos may only be taken to mean the fair end of the Greek hair continuum, not blond. This impression is enhanced by the descriptions of northern European hair as polios (gray, usually of old people) or leukon (white) to be found in Greek literature (Diodorus Siculus, Adamantius Judaeus).
>As for purros it is noteworthy that the common Greek words for fiery red eruthros is not employed for hair, while purros is given by Aelius Herodianus (Partitiones 115, 10) for the color of eyes. Human eyes are never red, or so-called strawberry blond, but they are often of a brown tint mixed with red. It is certain that at least in some cases, reddish brown is intended, while in others, as e.g., in describing German hair, reddish blond may be appropriate, given the known pigmentation of Germans. It must also be remembered that no ethnic taxon of man is recorded as being primarily red-headed. Therefore, purros means having a red tinge, it does not mean redhead.
>>1391909
>It would be worthwhile to quote here in full, the opinion of British anthropologist John Beddoe [34]. Beddoe studied thousands of Britons and continental Europeans, and comparing his designations with that of other observers, came to realize the relativity of color terms:
>"Thus almost all French anthropologists say that the majority of persons in the north of France are blond; whereas almost all Englishmen would say they were dark, each set of observers setting up as a standard what they are accustomed to see around them when at home. What is darkish brown to most Englishmen would be chestnut in the nomenclature of most Parisians, and perhaps even blond in that of Auvergne or Provence; an ancient Roman might probably have called it sufflavus or even flavus."
>>1389397
That looks like the average modern Greek desu
>>1391915
>the Germanic surnames Schwarz, Schwarzkopf, Schwarzenegger... Indicate that the germanics were black Africans
Fuck off revisionists scum. The mere fact that there is mention of blonde and red hair, blue eyes among the ancient Greeks and Romans is proof that they were not black you dumb cunt (because these genes are recessive.)
In predominantly white areas anyone who has brown hair and eyes is called "black", this is so even in modern Germany and Ireland (see "black Irish). Now go fuck yourself in the ass.
>>1391679
I wouldn't call Intermediate Periods art "experimental", it's more representative of decline than anything else, unlike the Amarna period, which was truly revolutionary, almost as revolutionary as the introduction of photo-realism during Greco-Roman rule.
>>1389529
>>1389528
>>1389524
>>1389402
>>1389310
>>1389257
>>1391815
the thing i love about antique art from the greeks and romans is that it doesn't look out of place in any kind of mediterranean sense today. some of those mosaics, portraits and paintings i can see in anything from a modern italian flat to a medieval spanish hacienda and not look weird.
it also shows a sort of contiguity with late antique and early medieval religious art - depictions of gods didn't really change when they started depicting saints.
>>1388994
>God they look awful. I really don't want to believe it :(
They look fucking fabulous, which is exactly what I'd expect from the Greeks and Romans.
They would laugh at all the bland, lifeless "roman" inspired architecture and design of the modern era, they'd probably wonder why we are mimicking the ruins of their society instead of the actual society.
>>1391828
Why would that be safe to assume?
>>1391828
The roman emperor in your picture, Caracalla, was half arab and half north african ethnically.
>>1390967
Cant they try and guess and figure out how it looked?
the garish colour was probobly intentional, a way of displaying wealth and power through expensive color paints
>>1392087
This is the problem of trying to pin down the ethnicity of a huge empire spanning hundreds of years. Take, for example, Obama. Is he how an American looks? How about Albert Einstein? When you say American, do you mean the early settlers or any individual born in the territory at any given time? This is some of the difficulties one has to face when discussing the ethnicity of the Roman empire.
>>1392016
Because every other piece of art from the time shows they werent retard historian who havent done a single art class.
>>1389021
Probably a related Iranid like Scythian
>>1389322
He's Egyptian, so possibly has some sub-Saharan blood.
>>1392201
Except, of course, because the USA was a post-apocalyptical almost void gigantic region that was settled by peoples coming from all regions of the world.
This is almost unique in human history and the other examples are also in the americas.
>>1392087
WE WUZ
>>1392201
Some "empires" are more homogeneous than others. America is not homogeneous at all.
In fairness, you have a pretty good point since the Romans were not either. They started out as strictly people from Rome, then came to incorporate Latins, Oscans, Greeks, Etruscans, Gauls, Spanish and others who eventually all came to consider themselves Romans as well. However, I think you can make some statements about Roman ethnicity depending on the time period. As their Empire became bigger, the distinctions between peregrinus, Roman and foreigner became blurrier.
>we have autosomal DNA from dozens of completely irrelevant peoples from 5 to 45 thousand years ago
>we have no autosomal DNA from ancient Greeks and Romans
Can anyone explain this shit?
>>1392268
>Except, of course, because the USA was a post-apocalyptical almost void gigantic region that was settled by peoples coming from all regions of the world.
Yeah, but until the 1890s or so virtually the entire population that wasn't African was from northwestern Europe and in places without a significant influx of immigrants from other places this was the case until well within living memory and is even still true in isolated pockets. I grew up in a rural town of ~800 and the only people who weren't completely white was the Mexican/Amerindian guy who ran the garage and his son.
>>1392315
Why do Americans always hear "black" whenever "African" is mentioned? North Africa is not black, and has never been (for at least 20,000 years).
>>1392156
Yeah maybe if they hired an artist. But I guess there's not enough money and interest.
>>1391947
>WE WUZ KANGZ, WE WUZ GREEKZ
top kek m8
>>1391821
it's funny how when i think of ancient greek soldiers i just kind of assume they wore bronze colored stuff because that's what the media typically goes with, but they loved some crazy bright color combinations. same with the byzantines.
>>1394016
I don't think it's 20k years. I think it's more like under 4k years. I'd look at evidence to your claim, though, because I'm curious.
>>1390759
Scythians were Iranian, tho, lad
>>1388994
Yup, and they were beautiful.
>>1389433
those people are still black tho my man
>>1389397
>have a white person's skull
>quickly! make her look like a total 2/10
>>1394184
are you trying to imply some epic meme
are you trying to imply that white people are literally, literally, literally, literally, LITERALLY incapable of being 2/10?
Would the sculptor have been the one that painted it?
>>1394189
Not at all, just saying that due to political correctness we have to depict ancient whites as ugly.
>>1394219
do you have even a single fact that the artist in question literally literally literally only did it because some nebulous concept of "political correctness" told them to do it
also what the fuck are you even talking about
we still glorify the fuck out of greco-romans
wow. That really changes how I look at neoclassical art and architecture. It was copying something that never existed. Maybe it shouldn't even be called neoclassical anymore.
>>1394229
Maybe it should be treated as a new style and not as a copy.
>>1394229
literally just a bunch of weak white millennial hyperliberal faggots fantasizing about their misbegotten conceptions of "the good old days"
that's all it ever was
that's all it is now
and that's all it ever will be
>>1391828
I never noticed the moustache on the marble bust, thanks for sharing this. Know of any more? I've seen a few who try Photoshop jobs, but this one is really well done compared to those. Would love to see some Julio-Claudians, or my nigga Marcus Aurelius
>>1390785
Why are you trying so hard to sound like the faggots at cracked.com?
>>1394264
who the fuck still reads cracked
i didn't even know that place still existed
that's like some 2003 shit
>>1391457
>when the kush hits you hard
>>1394272
faggot
>>1389397
She looks cute desu
>>1390494
that's not "reddish" thats fucking dark brown. those sand people are just being denialistic as fuck.
>>1394437
>greeks
>sand people
???
>>1391216
>There is zero reason to believe they only used one base coat seeing
Nobody believes that.
The point is just to reconstruct them up to a certainty.
>>1389524
>Hunting deer with a two-handed axe
>>1391874
Not him, but I've always wondered why that bust of Scipio Africanus is nig.
>>1394481
kill yourself /v/ memer
>>1394457
and that's fucking brutal as fuck
>>1394117
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iberomaurusian
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capsian_culture
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1216069/
>>1394503
inb4 20 butthurt weak white millennial memesexual faggots get mad because >wikipedia
don't even bother doing it now
i called this shit a long time ago
i can literally see it coming a mile away
get new material you predictable faggots
>>1394117
> I'd look at evidence to your claim
i think it's up to you to prove that north-saharan africa was ever black
>>1394509
It's just introductory material, I'm not sure why anyone would object to it being a wikipedia link, however, there's no shortage of evidence that the Iberomaurusian culture (the bases of all North African subsequent cultures) was Eurasian in origin, and it had been reinforced by another wave of Near Eastern migration during the Neolithic..
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23891007
>>1394567
forgot second link
http://bmcevolbiol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2148-14-109
>>1389330
They presumably weren't. Statues probably had the same level of shading and colour blending that this wall painting did. Unfortunately when historians do those shitty recreations they don't collaborate with real artists. So they end up looking like colour-ins
>>1389187
I bet you can do the same hing with a human body
make 'em all dino like
>>1389529
> the female trend of tiny ass dumbbells is over two thousand years old
Well ill be damned
>>1394373
Good one, shit-for-brains.
>>1389529
World's first crossfitters
>>1389187
no, they're goddamn terrifying
>>1391457
Because we wuz kangs of art n shieet
>>1389322
>that shade of brown and that face
>nigger
>>1391845
Romans weren't a single ethnicity. The Roman emperor in that bust (Caracalla) was half Syrian, 1/4 Berber and 1/4 Italian.
Also worth mentioning that Iliad and Odysseus are not historical records, as they have gods and monsters and such. And even the historical events serving as basis (namely Trojan War) is assumed to have happened centuries before Illiad and Odysseus were written. Illiad and Odysseus describe a mythological past, not history.
>>1394219
I can't even imagine what life must be like living with this much of a victim mentality and persecution complex.
>>1391828
They look Kurdish/Persian then?
I really doubt the Italians were white. You gotta remember the "actual" italians were south italians. And if you look at modern day southern italians (those who also share the most genes with the ancient romans) they're more Yemeni-brown.
While the northerners (WHO LIVE NEAR THE ALPES AND WHO SHARE UP TO 30% GENES WITH THE GOTHS/GERMANS) gradually "whiten up" the closer to the alpes you get.
Really, you would've made this (logic) conclusion yourselves, had you not been force-fed with 19th century "blonde-haired-light-skinned-Alexander-the-Great"-drawings.
>>1395130
>Also worth mentioning that Iliad and Odysseus are not historical records, as they have gods and monsters and such. And even the historical events serving as basis (namely Trojan War) is assumed to have happened centuries before Illiad and Odysseus were written. Illiad and Odysseus describe a mythological past, not history.
But mythology historically was almost always depicted as looking like the present. For example, this vase here is from around 550bc, and depicts Cadmus fighting a dragon. He is wearing equipment from around 550bc. Yet he was supposed to have lived over 1000 years before that time.
Could it be that people in the Illiad were depicted as more Nordic, because such people were abundant when the story was written?
>>1389198
The Thracians supposedly all had red hair
>>1395167
>For example, this vase here is from around 550bc, and depicts Cadmus fighting a dragon. He is wearing equipment from around 550bc. Yet he was supposed to have lived over 1000 years before that time.
I suppose the reason for this also could be that epics don't describe artifacts that closely, and there's no way for people from 550BC to know what artifacts from 1550BC looked like.
>Could it be that people in the Illiad were depicted as more Nordic, because such people were abundant when the story was written?
It could be, and it could be otherwise. It's not even sure Homer ever existed, and there is considerable speculation that Iliad and Odyssey aren't original works, but continuation of oral poetry which is centuries old, and the Trojan War lived for centuries in oral poetry before written down in Iliad.
Much like this the Finnish Kalevala was created in the 19th century, but the oral poetry it is based on dates even to centuries back, to pre-historic pagan age.
It also could be that fair features were distinctive back then, much like being blond is distinctive in most of the world and in Southern Europe even today, and to distinct important characters in the myths, they were given distinctive characteristics.
Romans considered blond hair to be a Germanic feature (though this is centuries after Iliad and Odyssey), and blonde wigs made Germanic hair were used as a sort of trophy of a conquered people.
>>1394251
This is the top post on the Roman subreddit, and that's where I got it. If you want more you should ask the user that posted this there.
>>1391828
You know, when I posted this, I was referencing the shitty painted statues op was talking about, not the race thing going on. With that being said, anyone that thinks these guys were black is an idiot.
>>1388994
Did you really just make this thread again?
>>1391258
Bronto burgers and ribs
>>1390415
look at that fairy fuccboi and his fuccboi legggings lol
it's like some faggot zelda video game nerd shit
>>1391828
HE BLACK!
>>1395588
It's funny you say that because classical era Greece is historically the most likely time you would run into a dude seriously dressed like Link or Pit.
>>1391736
>Hindoo
You been readin' Mason & Dixon?
>>1389198
why is she so cute bros
>>1389198
My grandmother's brother in Greece was said to have bright red hair when young. Also I have a cousin with bright blue eyes. Think her father did too and his side is from Crete.
>>1389149
They sure do.
>>1395666
>>1395601
wouldn't you run into someone dressed like that in iron ages - medieval germania?
>>1395154
>You gotta remember the "actual" italians were south italians.
[citation needed]
>>1395154
"South Italians" in the era of Rome's founding were Greeks. "Northerners" of that era, Etruscans, were apparently related to people in the Alps, at least in language, but these didn't lend to Germanic tribes, a later human migration.
>>1395601
Those were barbarians. Greeks used to identify them in their artworks by their Link-like hats,
>>1391829
Look at those folds, damn.
You niggers turned this thread into a discussion about race again, didn't you?
There are like, a thousand different things you can discuss about this, like aesthetics, cultural influences and differences...
JK ancient Greeks and Persians confirmed white and ginger LMAO!
>>1395649
>>1395752
While I had that ging granduncle, another Greek granduncle and grandaunt would sometimes get mistaken for blacks back in the 60s in the segregated US. Plus some Whites Only beaches here wouldn't allow Greeks either.
Meanwhile I stay inside posting on 4chan so I am pale as fuck.
pic: Tetradrachm of Greek Kingdom of Egypt with head of Ptolemy XII
>>1395601
What a qt
>>1394184
>My standards for female beauty stem from decadent celebrity worship and pornography
pls go
>>1389075
>true-colors-of-greek-statues-4.jpg
>>1389003
Neoclassical shits on classical
>>1395695
You had to be born in Roman territory (Rome and southwards) to be a proper Roman citizen.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b5/Italy_400bC_en.svg
And genetically, the Southern Italians are more alike the Romans than the Northerners.
>>1396129
south italians have middle eastern ancestry
>>1396066
Neo-Classical is fedora: the aesthetic movement.
Classical is based.
>>1389402
A E S T H E T I C
>>1389198
Some of them probably were.
>>1389003
>There's no way they appeared as crude.
This assumes they thought it was crude.
>>1389198
That's probably a Thracian slave-girl btw. If she was an actual Athenian, she would've probably been cremated after her death (especially during that plague).
>painted statues
>painted pots
>painted temples
>mfw Greek "art" was tacky and shit
>mfw the Greeks were plebs
>>1396937
You're probably full of shit, unless you provide source or are able to translate this >>1389397
to substantiate your claim.
Until then >>>/trash/
>>1392630
Someone answer this guy
>>1390785
Hello, reddit!
>>1397355
greco romans were big cucks
pretty much all indo-europeans since the dawn of indo-europeans to today have been big cucks
it's literally in their genes
>>1389075
Delete this
>>1391828
more please...
>>1390785
IKR? Digging around lava, getting by all the zombies, skeletons, and creepers, while using up a diamond pick axe, just so I can dye my sheep blue? Yeesh.
>>1392630
Huh.
>>1397473
go back to /r/eddit you millennial faggot
>Roman Painting Third Style
absolutely a e s t h e t i c
>>1398067
You could probably do a pretty good rendition of Flos Tabernam with a tibia and a sistrum.
>>1396937
>That's probably a Thracian slave-girl btw. If she was an actual Athenian, she would've probably been cremated after her death (especially during that plague).
Athena was black.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Athena
>>1398106
>Flow Tabernam
took me a sec.
>>1396971
You're the pleb here
>>1389322
Looks like an arab
t. Spaniard
>>1398248
pretty aesthetic tbqphwy
>>1389397
This science really needs more funding and access to a super computer.
>>1399237
We should map ancestry of as many people as possible via DNA and the historical records.
>>1395154
Jesus christ shut the fuck up, southern italians are mixed due to the exchange of peoples with north africa. Just like north italians are mixed due to exchange of people with europe.
And actually both changed with both to lesser degrees.
Go look at actual genetic studies rather than "sourche: my arse"
>>1399339
>Jesus christ shut the fuck up, southern italians are mixed due to the exchange of peoples with north africa
Proofs?
>>1399374
Google is your friend.
By african I don't mean black africans.
>>1399451
>1-5%
>>1389167
prove it
>>1399451
5%
WOW
AMAZING
>>1391828
That looks really good.
>>1399451
North french confirmed for african.
>>1400299
5% is a lot for genes. Enough to express phenotype, especially they're darker genes.
>>1401381
>5% is a lot
>"muh darkies"
>>1390759
And Gaelic if the legends are true.
>>1401391
it is a lot for genes. For example, we're 99% identical genetically to chimps. Caucasians have a small percentage of neanderthal DNA, something like 1-4%, and it has effected the phenotype drastically (projected mid-facial region, neanderthal features much stronger in the people with the highest % of neanderthal dna ie middle easterners and its still only a tiny percentage).
Also, thats only the percentage of north african dna, there's also middle eastern J subclades and sub-saharan genes in southern italians, portugese and greeks
>>1389488
Scythians were the last remaining atlanteans/hyperboreans actually
>>1395130
>>1395167
>>1391845
Iliad tells the story of the nordic/hyperborean/atlantean invaders that replaced the mycenaeans and minoans to create the new greek aristocracy of the classical era, they lost their strength and power once they settled down though, unlike their cousins in Scythia.
>>1401628
>atlanteans
>hyperboreans
>real
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
>>1401631
Stay asleep sheep, Atlantis was a settlement of hyperborean-nordic sailors sailing the west passage, similar to the faroe islands and Iceland. These are also known in bronze age literature as the "sea people".
>Greeks and Romans worked tirelessly to create beautiful sculptures that reflecte to beauty and majesty of the human form.
>According to "historians" they then just coloured them in with crayon.
>Even though we know both cultues could paint realistically
No, that's not what the statues would have looked like at all. They can only locate the BASE layer of paint.
It's like trying to recreate a Da Vinci painting using the first brush strokes he made.
You want to see some actual JUST art? Look at any Medieval tapestry. They are all complete shit.
