Anyone got the pic with the refutation of Diamond's "Guns, Germs and Steel"?
FYI, the refutations are bullshit that misrepresent the arguments put forth in the book and ignore the evidence Diamond gives to back them up.
>>1379736
>butthurt
>>1379697
We're hitting levels of Howard Zinn that shouldn't even be possible.
>>1379697
This one?
>>1379697
Do you even need one? The question itself that he asked was retarded (which is why it's so alluring, even to "intellectuals").
here's another one
https://www.reddit.com/r/badhistory/wiki/v2/ggsg
>>1380918
Your theme song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9gN2hdybFY
>itt: if you dont agree with me its because you are butthurt because i refuse to reconsider my position ever and am always right
>>1380918
just let him have this he's obviously not looking for a real opinion
>>1380918
>widely accepted
Jared Diamond has no academic relevance, my friend. "His" theories were already outdated when he wrote GGS.
Anyone should realize that Jared is a complete and total lunatic the instant he claims that illiterate conquistadors conquered Spain due to the literate tradition of Spain.
>>1381847
*conquered Central and southern America, not Spain
It's funny because Jared Diamond set out specifically to destroy the notion of European Supremacy or the theory of a Caucasian masterrace, instead trying to attribute their succes to arbitrary chance.
But in the process, he fails to make basic, accurate historic analysis and actually makes Europeans look EVEN MORE superior.
>Today it is hard for us to grasp the enormous numerical odds against which the Spaniards' military equipment prevailed. At the battle of Cajamarca recounted above, 168 Spaniards crushed a Native American army 500 times more numerous, killing thousands without losing a single Spaniard.
>Time and again, accounts of Pizarro's subsequent battles with the Incas, Cortés's conquest of the Aztecs, and other early European campaigns against Native Americans describe encounters in which a few dozen European horsemen routed thousands of Indians with great slaughter.
Unironically believing the writings of conquistadors themselves, who wrote these down in attempts to stay relevant within the new Spanish colonial administration. Jared doesn't seem to grasp that these Spaniards would try to increase the number of their opponents, and downsize the size of their native allies.
Jared writes off the Mesoamericans as naive lambs who were slaughtered left and right by bands of Spanish. The truth is that the Conquistadors only prevailed through individual ingenuity and most importantly, thanks to their many native allies.
But because Jared fails to make this basic historic analysis, he actually gives credence to racial superiosists, and it makes his attempts to explain it away look all the more desperate. It's obvious he's grasping at straws to try and explain this fantasy of small bands of Spanish conquering huge empires.
The truth is that one doesn't need to resort to irrelevant geographic determinism to do this. Just some critical thinking when it comes to sources is enough.
>>1381887
My OC from yesterday to commemorate Jared Diamond.
>>1380918
Last time I posted these some faggot got mad over the title and refused to read any of them.
But here we go:
https://web.archive.org/web/20080527130118/http://www.nybooks.com:80/articles/1132
https://books.google.fi/books?id=ktn7LmLgc6oC&redir_esc=y&hl=fi
https://web.archive.org/web/20130714031430/http://videosdigitals.uab.es/cr-vet/www/40300/1_2_McNeil01_ht34_world%20according%20to%20Diamond.pdf
http://www.history.ac.uk/reviews/review/51
He isn't a historian. His ideology is fundamentally wrong. He is only liked by the public. Academic reviews of his books are almost always entirely negative, either aggressively or very politely.
>>1381887
In Otumba the allies were mainly porters and a thousand to two thousand tlaxcalans warriors, while the Aztec army was composed of nearly all the allies and warriors they could get they hands on. The victory was a miracle, and helped later to sway natives to the Spaniards side. Plus you are ignoring the times conquistadors wrecked native armies without any kind of warrior allies, like in Tabasco or vs the Tlaxcalans (were only porters were used), the European way of war was simply to different and better at killing than the native way, the Spaniards and they horses tended to end the battle full of injuries but few deaths thanks to they armors and the native trying to kidnap them. The Natives were very brave and in nearly all the battles Diaz or Cortez said so, even the italian wars soldiers were impressed in how the Aztecs defended Tenochtitlan.
