Do Jews consider Christ to be goyim?
He was literally a Jew. Only later with Paul did Christianity begin to introduce gentiles.
>>1388299
גוי
"Nation", but usually more with respect to the people/ethnicity than an actual modern state. If I said
הגוי ספרד רוצה..........
I'm more properly referring to a want by the Spanish people than the Spanish government.
Pluralizing it into "Goyim", would make it multiple nations.
So no, we do not consider Jesus to be multiple nations.
Honestly, most religious Jews don't really concern themselves much with Jesus at all. Not rally relevant to us, you know? Of the ones that do, the usual line is something of the apocalyptic Jewish preacher, very possibly heretical, although you do get a few fringe notions that he was preaching more or less mainline Judaism and the message got changed later. He's not considered to be some new and radical non-Jewish thing by most accounts.
>>1388315
What kind of Jew?
>>1388331
If you assume that the stuff Jesus has attributed to him in the Gospels is more or less representative of what a historical Jesus was actually saying?
Probably some kind of Essenic-Pharisiac syncretist.
>>1388339
The same pharisees who wrote the Talmud?
>>1388394
Well, their ancestors.
Not even the Mishnah had been written down by the time of Jesus (that would be another 100 years or so), but a lot of the quotes are at the very least attributed to people who well predate Jesus, and other mentions of contemporary practice do partially corroborate some of the traditions claimed.
But yeah, those Pharisees.
>>1388329
>Honestly, most religious Jews don't really concern themselves much with Jesus at all.
Yes they do. This is what is written in the Talmud.
The Text
Mishnah Yevamot 4:18
R. Shimon ben Azzai said: I found a book of geneologies in Jerusalem and in it is written "The man Plony is a bastard."
The Text
Sanhedrin 106a
R. Yochanan said (regarding Balaam): In the beginning a prophet, in the end a sorcerer.
Rav Papa said: As people say, "She was the descendant of princes and rulers, she played the harlot with carpenters."
Talmud Gittin 56b-57a
[Onkelos Bar Kalonikus] called up Balaam from the dead. [Onkelos] asked: Who is honored in that world? [Balaam] replied: Israel. [Onkelos asked:] What about joining them? [Balaam] replied: (Deut. 23:7) "You shall not seek their peace or welfare all your days." [Onkelos] asked: What is your punishment? [Balaam answered]: In boiling semen.
[Onkelos] called up Yeshu from the dead. [Onkelos] asked: Who is honored in that world? [Yeshu] replied: Israel. [Onkelos asked:] What about joining them? [Yeshu] replied: Seek their good. Do not seek their bad. Whoever touches them is as if he touched the pupil of his eye. [Onkelos] asked: What is your punishment? [Yeshu answered]: In boiling excrement. As the mast said: Whoever mocks the words of the sages in punished in boiling excrement.
>>1388315
Christ said clean diet doesn't matter, only a clean heart. The Gospel of Mark even overtly says, "He made all foods clean."
>>1388427
A few quotes scattered here and there in a work roughly the size of the Encyclopedia Britannica does not constitute great concern.
Hell, you get less talk about Jesus than you do about agricultural law discussion. Jesus ranks a bit behind how much care you need to look after your draft animals with to make sure they don't eat your neighbors crops.
