Tell me something interestin about the history of Estonia
They invented the toothbrush... posting
>>1365115
In WW2 they were the only large region conquered by the Nazis to be declared "judenfrei"
In 1561 they gave themselves up to be ruled by swedish monarchy because there was some war they needed protection from.
>>1365137
>they
you mean the teutonic knights who ruled at the time
>>1365115
They have an abnormally high suicide rate given their wealth and education levels.
>>1365115
They are the unwanted child of Finland.
>>1365231
Technically speaking they are older than finland as far as countries go. Theres just more finns than estonians.
>>1365247
Technically there's no such country as "Finland", only eastern Sweden that's been given some sovereignty from western Sweden.
>>1365115
Uppity cunts with an economy that is driven solely by Finnish alcohol tourism.
>>1365115
They wuz vikingz n shiet.
>>1365248
First this, then Jamal's cock, you swedes sure are butthurt
>>1365115
We won a war against Russia, invaded mainland Russia& successfully held territories there.
More incoming in a moment
![Sigtuna_gates[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/bbactWb.jpg "Sigtuna_gates[1].jpg")
>Burning of Swedish "capital" Sigtuna in 1187 by Oeselians, Curonians & Karelians (some nice ancient Baltic co-operation!). Oeselians took the gates of the town back to Estonia with them. Here's a picture of said gates:
>Manhunt & defenestration for/of Artur Sirk, one of the leaders of the Vaps movement (Union of Participants in the Estonian War of Idependence), by Estonian Political Police (now KAPO) agents in Luxembourg.
>Capture of Olaf Tryggvason, future king of Norway, by Estonian vikings in the Baltic Sea. Entire crew was either slaughtered or taken as slaves. Olaf was sold as a slave to a few different Estonians (once for a ram, second time for a fine cloak). Six years later, a tax collector sent to Estonia by Kievan Rus' leader & prince of Novgorod Vladimir The Great, noticed a foreign looking boy while performing his duties and asked him about his family. Tax collector bought Olaf & his foster brother from slavery and took the boys to Novgorod to live under Vladimir's protection. According to Old Norse king saga, Heimskringla, Olaf saw his initial owner many years later in the Novgorod marketplace and killed him with an axe blow to the head. Having to flee from an angry mob afterwards.
>Operation Jungle. A program ran by MI6 (British Secret Intelligence Service) to support & arm the guerilla warfare ,waged by Forest Brothers, in Baltikum against Soviet Rule. Operation was later compromised by British double agents and following that, almost every field agent in Baltics was kille/captured by KGB/NKVD. Group that handled operations in Estonia was run by Alfons Rebane, most highly decorated Estonian military officer during World War II.
>In ~600 AD, King Ingvar of Sweden invades Estonia, but is killed while battling Oeselians. His son Anund avenges his father and raids the country. His gravesite, potentially significant archeological discovery, still hasn't been found despite numerous efforts.
![Dzokhar_Dudayev[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/3pS1y1e.jpg "Dzokhar_Dudayev[1].jpg")
>>1366187
During the Singing Revolution, a big protest was organized next to the Raadi Airfrield. Dzhokhar Dudajev, who was the Soviet Air Force general in charge of the airfield, followed military protocol and deployed extra guards to the airfield perimeter but intentionally left them unarmed, knowing the protestors were infiltrated by KGB henchmen seeking to , to prevent the situation from escalating and turning bloody.
Dudajev himself spoke Estonian and was quite fond of Estonian culture & our independence movment, often visiting events in Tartu and making friends with intellectuals & leaders of Rahvarinne. He later resigned from the post and went back to Chechnya, establishing a independence movement there and becoming it's first president and dying in a Russian ambush during the First Chechen War.
Raadi airfield itself hosted a strategic bomber wing carring nuclear weapons and was marked to be destroyed with a nuclear strike by NATO in case of war. There's also a street named after him and a museum room in Barclay hotel, where his office used to be.
Sorry for my shit grammar senpai.
In 1574 a mixed force was sieging Russian-held fortress of Wesenberg (Rakvere), when a bar brawl among them involving Scottish mercenaries broke into a full scale battle, with artillery and cavalry charges. It decimated the sieging forces and forced them to withdraw, by no effort from the defenders.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Wesenberg_(1574)
>>1366189
Was going to post this.
Chechen-Estonian frienship
>>1366189
>dying in a Russian ambush
He died through a rocket attack. USA helped Russia to kill him by giving them the coordinations of his satellite phone.
>>1366255
Pretty much the same thing. Ambushed by russian fighters my dude.
>>1366269
Nope. There were no russian fighters near his location.
>>1366283
I actually meant the aircraft but yes, you win.
>>1366326
I always win because I am a Chechen
>>1366187
And they still think the Northern crusade was unjustified.
They put up a fierce struggle against the forces of jewish bolshevism up until the very end. Even today Waffen SS veterans are highly revered in Bestonia.
Also, Hitler said of estonians that out of all the baltic peoples they're genetically the most superior - Which is not surprising given the large germanic racial component within said people (baltic german nobility and so on).
>>1368007
Tbh we would've still gotten fucked by Generalplan Ost
>>1368744
Bet you still think nazis did katlyn too slav puppet
>>1365229
isn't this the case for most successful Scandinavia countries?
>>1368756
No need to sperg out, senpai.
>>1368744
>implying killing 50% of turds here wasn't justified
>there was this estonian county called Ügaunija on the western shore of lake Peipus. a small tribe, comparable in size with the Oselians
>one fine day Kievan Rus decided that it wanted Ügaunija as its tributary
>they invaded
>soon afterwards the Prince of Kievan Rus issued a law in his kingdom
>The new law said that it is forbidden to encage in any conflict with Ügaunija and it is forbidden to demand any sort of tribute from them. And the law was in effect for at leas 150 years.
No one knows what happened in those dark forests, but apparently the mighty Kievan Rus was scared shitless by them.
Pictured the Coat of Arms of Ügaunija's capital Odenpää
They are meme people close to Finns who never had a state before 1917, and were ruled by Baltic German nobility.
>>1369370
Well ehh you could literally say the same about the finns expect replace the german with germanic.
Honorary aryans who served in the SS
>>1369356
That's one smug bear. Almost... pepe-like...
Did the Ugaunija win using meme magick?
>>1369370
continuing on that
Those Estonians (and also Latvians) were the first to experience racism on a large scale. Firstly, the entire population was reduced to peasants, to be ruled by Saxon nobility. No Estonian was allowed to rule anything.
When, cities started to form and Estonians escaped to cities to gain freedom from inherited peasanthood, they were still thought of as work animals. There were strickt laws forbidding any Estonian from doing more complex jobs than lifting heavy weights and scooping horse shit off the streets. If any Estonian became a crafter or even a trader, the punishment was harsh.
>>1369392
In estonian mythology had a concept which they themselves called "mana" or "vägi". The concept was almost 1 to 1 with the current day video game mana points. The word for conjuration was "manama" which mean "to mana". There were also a lot of other words for different kinds of doing magic, but in the end it all boiled down to how much mana did a person have.
People believed that hair and fingernails increased one's mana, so all free folk always had long hair and beards, their nails weren't that long since you cannot really function like a normal human being with too long nails.
Due to the magical effects of hair and nails, estonians often shaved the hair and beards of their thralls(slaves) and sometimes the figer and toenails were pulled out also to make them less likely to escape using magic.
But the mana itself was a gift to spirits nature(humans, animals, plants, rocks, lakes, etc) from the god of magic and Underworld, she was also called Mana. Her underworld was called Manala. Even this modern day people use an old saying "Ta läks Manala teed!" meaning "he went by the Manala road", which means "he died". Godess mana is also the ruler of magical beasts that might wanter the forests.
Depicted godess Mana.
>>1369472
>depicted Godess Mana
I thought that was Gazelle Twin for a sec there.
>the ancient Estonians were actually D&D larpers
Interesting tebehe, thx for the info
>>1369356
>>1369392
Fun-er fact: Estonia is still called Igaunija in Latvian.
Fucking bear cunts, mayne.
Also - Estonia initially demanded what amounts to about 1/4 of Latvia as payment for military aid against the Reds in 1919.
Estonian soldiers shot the apothecary of the small Latvian town of Mazsalaca because he refused to give them booze. They also stole church stools in Latvia while there - presumably to sell for booze.
The 13th century Chronicle of Henry of Livonia gives account of a Estonians burning a Latvian chieftain alive to find out where he keeps his gold and silver "like a large fish".
Estonians have always been terrible savages. Abandon hope, all ye who enter.
t. Friendly Southern neighbour who actually loves y'all.
Estonians also believed in god that was very similar to Thor. They called that god, Tor, Thar, Tooru, Toorum, Tera, Terra etc. And that Tooru was a woman. For those who know a little bit about Norse mythology, Tooru was basically Odin and Thor combined as a woman. She is often referred also as "mother earth".
Some accounts claim that Tooru is the daugther of Mana.
Tooru also had two children who were called "Äike" and "Pikker". "Äike" and "Pikker" were the thunder gods. "Pikker" today means "lightning-bolt" and "äike" means "the sound of thunder".
>>1369511
>meet 2 Estonian grills
>studying some shit in my town
>ask them about Estonia
>they don't know shit, not even that they had a short lived interbellic period of independence
>all they tell me is they like to drink a lot
>I drink them both under the table
The full extent of my contact with Estonians. A bit disappointing tebehe.
>>1369511
One more fun fact:
During the war against the Reds in 1919, Estonia had plans to become an Empire. Estonian Empire's planned borders reached as far as few hundred km east from Moscow and also included Latvia as its subject. They would have totally gone through with it, but England didn't want competition and sent a formal letter to Estonia saying "You are gaining too much power, stop expanding into Russia or I'll gut ya like a fish." Estonians had no choice to but to do as demanded, since England was way more stronger than Russia at that time.
And thanks to anglocucks, there never was an Estonian Empire.
>>1369568
Was a good laugh but pls don't ruse foreigners like this.
t. eesti
>>1366207
just banter lads
>>1369472
Another way to gain "vägi" was to devour the heart of an enemy
>>1368761
AFAIK, no. Its really those 3 Baltic states that stand out.
Is it true that Estonians are pretty much nazis and that they opress their Russian minorities?
>>1369687
No.
>>1369679
>muslim plebs didn't even eat their crusaders
>>1369586
A man can dream
https://youtu.be/idoF2hKdIXU
>>1369687
They are not really nazis. They are estonians. Their point of view is that this country is not meant for everyone, it is meant for estonians, hence the name Estonia. If someone comes spouting "we must be open to everyone, we must be multicultural", the common response is "this country was founded to harbor estonians and is meant to tend to estonian needs, not anyone else's".
And so, russians that can't accept with that are given the finger while saying "if you want to do your daily shit in russian language, you can do just that in the country next door". Most russians support that sentiment and give us no problems, but the rest are Russian nationalists, who for some reason insist staying here.
>>1369732
Correct me if I am wrong, but as far as I know, there have always been Russian minorities living on the territory of the todays national state of Estonia.
So I think it is not really fair to say that Estonia belongs to Estonians only
>>1369740
Not that anon, but yes, there have been communities of Old Believers (raskolniki) here for about 400 years. Nobody gives them any shit and they don't bother anyone. Any friction is purely with the recent colonists.
And yes, the land still belongs to Estonians first and foremost. It's basically a nature reserve for us.
>>1369740
actually, no
1000 or so years ago, there was no such thing as "russians"
in fact, russia itself was just a collection of city states along the East European rivers. those towns were made up of various slavic tribes. but those slavs mainly lived by the navigatable rivers. the rest of the land was filled to brim by finnic people(very close relatives to estonia and finland). when the Rus state was formed, all those finnic people were integrated into the Rus state. There were more finnic people in Russia than there were russians Most of them retained their nationality up until 18.century when the Tsar decided that this is not okay and started to convert the finnic peoples into russians. Estonia and Finland were a part of Russian empire at that time, but had more independence than other tribes and were thus able to fight the conversion, whereas so well didn't go with the other finnic people. That conversion process lasted through Soviet times and is even at effect today. Currently there are very few people left in Russia that consider themselves finnic. Probably most of the russians are actually our finnic brothers, but they have just forgotten it.
So, long story short, there have never been any large amount of russians on Estonia before the Soviet era and even those who are here today are just our bretheren who have been twisted and mutilated in being russians.
Its as if straight out of Lord of the Rings.
>>1369771
>And yes, the land still belongs to Estonians first and foremost. It's basically a nature reserve for us.
But it is a matter of fact that many Russians live in Estonia. So what do you propose you should do with them?
>>1369687
literally every country with a russian border hates them you know
>>1369793
Sounds like a reasonable solution.
But I dont think antagonizing Russian minority will help the integration process.
They try hard to force themselves into the Nordic club but they were politely rejected every time. When will they get the hint?
>>1369789
Nothing, there's no unfucking that duck. As communities, there's not much love between the two but if we didn't go full Balkan in the 90's, we hopefully never will. Just have to keep our priorities straight, they have their VYAST TRECTS OF LEND™ that they keep harping about, we have this and nothing else.
The person credited for discovering Antarctica Fabian Gottlieb von Bellingshausen was a Baltic-German born in Saaremaa
The Mad Baron Ungern was born in Estonia, and owned large tracts of land in Hiiumaa, Tallinn, and Jarvakandi. Born of Germanic Russian nobility, he absolutely detested native Estonians and Russians. When Estonian peasants burned down his estate in the 1905 revolution, it fueled his lifetime hatred of ethnic slavs, estonians, communists, and jews.
>>1371098
>Hate everyone and everything
>Try to recreate the Mongol Empire
Suppose that was a fitting thing to do for someone like him.
The first man to die for a free Estonia was a Latvian, Johann Muischneek, who fell in battle on 24th of February, 1918.
>>1365247
>they are older than finland as far as countries go.
As sovereign countries Finland is older than Estonia. Finland became independent in 1917, Estonia in 1918 (recognized 1920)
>>1369740
Yes, and almost 50% of Russia proper was inhabited by Finns (all of them Karelians, Mari, Estonians etc) before Slavs came up.
Russia doesn't seem to think they have the right to live there with their own cultures intact.
>>1371398
You could argue early Livonia was an Estonian-Latvian state, before the indigenous population was gradually disenfranchised.
>>1371460
Weren't post-crusade Baltic States (outside of Lithunia) always dominated by Germans or is that wrong?
>>1371485
They were, eventually - but not initially.
Initially the Germans set up more of a confederation - the former chieftains and their kin retained local power in the areas that were once their tribal districts. Some eventually integrated so well they forgot they used to not be German.
Note that some local tribes (such as the Latgalians) sided with Germans from the beginning - due to being harassed by their neighbours on a regular basis. Some other allied and then rebelled against the Germans throughout the Northern Crusades. Eventually it was more of a diplomatic peace that prevailed - chieftains bought out, not destroyed throughout.
Locals generally maintained the right to bear arms until the end of the 16th century - revoking this right greatly decreased the military capabilities of Livonia, and it was ripped to pieces by more powerful neighbours soon after.
Recent genetic analysis of inhabitants of a castle (Wenden, I think) that detonated themselves on kegs of powder rather than fall in the hands of Ivan the Terrible indicate most of the castle-folk were local, not German, by ethnicity.
>>1371514
Since you seem to know much, wasn't the general idea till quite recently that the Teutonic conquest mostly consisted of lots of genocide and colonization with little assimilation of the upper classes?
>>1371601
If I'm not much mistaken - that was a myth that served its purpose during the respective Latvian and Estonian national awakening movements.
700 years of slavery etc. - and you can see why, "150 years of sort if ok relations and peace, then a gradual disenfranchisement, reversed gradually through peasants acquiring wealth when allowed to own land again at the end of the 18th century, becoming wealthier than German barons and becoming known as "gray barons (reference to linen cloth)" in some places" will not galvanize the masses, will it.
As far as treatment of the previous upper classes - look up Curonian Kings, a strain of Curonian nobles that retained almost all priviliges for centuries. Crazy bastards still held pagan fire funerals as late as the 17th century. One of the most renown Latvian generals in WWI, Peniķis, was from one of these families, for example.
As for assimilation - have a look at the vion Uxekull, von Lieven, von Osten-Sacken families- all descended from local chieftains. Just the most well known, of course.
To be sure - the struggle for independence for Latvians and Lithuanians was a struggle against Baltic German nobility, both in terms of ethnic prejudice and class structure, the devil wasn't as black as you paint it (as we say in Latvian).
>>1371648
Should be "Latvians and Estonians". Thanks, beer.
another irrelevant country with delusions of grandeur, you can also see their specimen in Balkan.
>>1371672
All the Grandeur of the Baltics amounts to "please leave us be, thank you".
The Baltic mentality is literally to live in an isolated homestead, grow grain and be left the fuck alone.
No territorial ambitions. No ethnic cleansing scores to settle. No religious wars that need a reboot.
Just leave us the fuck alone.
>>1371675
Pretty good summary actually.
t. balt
>>1371675
Estonia want to become Nordics though.
>We never toll them they need a cross flag for that
>>1371695
Most people don't care about it desu. It's just 4chan/reddit memeing.
>>1371695
All Baltic foreign policy stems from a single question:
"Will this result in being left alone for longer?"
>If I manage to become Nordic, maybe someone will notice when the Russians invade.
>If I join the Euro, maybe I will be left alone in the long term.
>If I join NATO, maybe I won't have to use Ivan's Travel Services one way family ticket to Siberia again.
>>1365115
They have survived.
>>1371700
It's not really that Estonia wants to be in the nordic it's more of the hope of being similarly successful to the nordic states in economic terms.
>>1371514
it was a completely different matter for Estonians. ALL estonian nobility was stripped from its power and german nobles were put in their place. and no Estonian was permitted to become any sort of ruler after the crusades.
>>1374293
You sure about that? Because that used to be what I was taught in school - but this version is being heavily revised now. 700 years of slavery is considered a myth now.
>>1365229
>atheists having a high suicide rate
>abnormal
Estonians kinda worship the dead. Estonians like their grave patches to be elaborate. For example my family's grave slot has people buried there from the beginning of 1900AD. There is also one stranger buried on our lot, but we still tend that one too. We have a tree in the middle of it. It was planted when our family got that lot. And now it is a fully grown tree. On the sides of it are curbstones and the middle is covered with sand. Each tombstone has flowers growing in front of it and me and other family members regularily bring new flowers and candles to place in front of the tombstones, even for the stranger's tombstone on our lot. While tending the lot, we chat with the people, tell them what has happened lately and stuff. Once a year there is Graveyard Holyday where a lot of people gather to hear a sermon from a priest in the graveyard (not really because we are religious, but more because this gives that holy vibe to the event).
But back at home during the winter there is a holyday. Folklore of the event says that during that night the gates to the realm of spirits is open and spirits will walk the earth.So, during that night put a candle on the window and leave a plateful of food on the table overnight. If there is sauna, sauna will be heated up before going to bed. It is a symbolic gesture for our dead close familiy memembers. Candle is meant to show the spirit a way home and the plate with food is for the spirit to eat and the sauna is heated so that the spirit can have a sauna session and can wash oneself. Sometimes we put more food and sauna stuff out than we have close familiy members. That is because there are spirits whom their families have forgotten and nobody provides them a way to enjoy home anymore. That way those lone wandering spirits can also join in and can feel good.
Pictured an ordinary graveyard.
>>1374466
Atleast find a good picture next time, pls. I'd imagine Google has some from our graveyards.
>>1374466
Is this everywhere, or just Southern Estonia?
Because this is a very, very Latvian thing too - and I've read it's only common in the part of Estonia near our border.
For us this is the time you meet at the place in the countryside where that extended branch of the family is from, meeting all the distant relatives that live all over the country, tending the graves, and then having a picnic.
We also rake the sand among the grave, before leaving. Always.
Is your Graveyard Holiday July/August?
The ceremonies we have for the "Time of spirits" (late October-November) are also nearly identical. I've laid a table for my ancestors more than once. And desu, there is nothing like November up North that makes you really feel close to the eternal - all those mists, dark evening, and gray skies.
>>1369538
were they cute at least?
>>1374493
I live in north estonia and as far as I know, everyone does these things here.
About raking the sand. We do that too. You gotta have those sand stripes, senpai, its just not right without them.
Our Graveyard Holyday was somewhere in the end of June, so couple of week back.
>>1374474
Is this better?
>>1371122
Underrated
>>1374519
Coolio. Always nice to find out we share traditions with people I actually like.
No one has been able to tell my why we rake the sand, but I do it, and so will my children. The beauty of tradition.
Here the date varies between various graveyards, usually July/August, though some also do it in June, I think.
Estonia has invented a unique sport that not many know of. It is called "kiiking". It is about swinging with a swing and trying to perform a 360.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuawwF9mO9o
>>1374621
Literally done at any playground where the swing would allow it, since the dawn of time.
So no.
>>1374466
Sounds similar to our "Día de muertos" here in Mexico.
What do Estonians think of their Baltic neighbors? Do Baltic country get along well? Is a single united Baltic state possible or nah?
>>1374794
*countries
>>1374704
Not as a sport my friend.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiiking
They killed a lot of jews during ww2
>>1374794
Highly doubtful Estonians usually get along with Latvians but are relatively indifferent to Lithuanians because of no shared border i think. But it's not a meme that Estonia is Finlands gf. Finland is well appreciated.
they created sweden and finland
>>1374807
pretty much all of them desu. My great grandfather was an estonian nazi collaborator and a tribunal later accused him crimes against humanity lol
>>1374794
I don't know enough about Lithuanians, but I would be willing to be in a union with Lavians. Sort of in the vein of a federation or a union where local sub areas have lots of independency.
>>1374794
The consensus would probably lean towards nah, though it would depend on which kind of a state you have in mind.
A unitary state is hardly an option since there isn't a strong enough of a Baltic identity unlike say the Britsh one or even a Scandistani one. A federation would be theoretically conceivable I guess, though there would be the question of how how to convince the Lithuanians to not take it as a Grand Duchy 2.0 and not be total dicks about it. A confederation, something akin to BiH, would be the easiest to implement but it would also affect the least. You could argue that the EU would already cover all the benefits of a weak confederation and a whole more.
To explain why this is the case instead of, say, the Benelux or Scandis, one has to consider that all three modern states are products of an era of romantism and nationalism. Though there are probably people who'd whemently dispute this, especially the Litts, they all have roots in the cultural and national awakening and the events of the 19th and in the case of Lithuania eary 20th century. This meant a focus on the national rather the regional, though the politicians and people didn't rush to declare national independense till after the revolutions in Petersburg.
A fun fact about LIT - their process of national awakening was more advanced in the USA than Lithuania proper. And don't believe their claims about the 1000 year old nation. The drive which culminated in the modern republic was largely aimed at against that very notion and the medieval legacy. It's a new state founded on new principles, ideas and societal foundation. There's no continuity besides the vague geographical location.
Tl;dr Nah cause LIT a bit a shit, familia
>>1374807
>>1365120
This has probably been address already, but there weren't that many jews in Estonia to begin with - only a few thousand iirc. This is due to the Ashkenanzis never having reached the future Estonian land and the same land falling largely under the zone where where jews were restricted to live in the Russian Empire by Imperial not local law. Many of course left when it became apparent that war wouldn't leave this land untouched. After the soviet occupation and annexation many were arrested and deported/kill for being rich, educated or or nationalist. Often all of the above, since the laws for protection of cultural minorities were pretty fucking good in interwar Estonia and life was fine for jews here.
