Did photorrealistic art only developed in Europe?
No it predominantly developed in the United States in the 60s
>>1361839
Paintings? I think so. Statues definitely not
>>1361839
But those are not photo realistic.
>>1361839
genetics probably, modern art is so popular largely due to frustration among races that can't replicate classical art
>>1361870
buddhas and such hardly match this
>>1361884
>genetics probably, modern art is so popular largely due to frustration among races that can't replicate classical art
came here just to make sure this retarded post would be made, thanks
>>1361884
It still amazes me that something like that can be made
>>1361890
Triggered?
Accept it, the pinnacle of art is realism, you're muh ethnic art has never reached the heights set by our nordic ancestry.
>>1361905
Nordics were barbarians wrapped in tattered furs waving shoddy weapons around, though. They stole everything from Mediterranean civilizations.
>>1361905
Well, they catch up.
http://www.sothebys.com/de/auctions/2014/hui-tong-collection-chinese-realist-paintings-cn0017.html
>>1361905
Tell me, why do you need photo realistic art when you can just look at reality?
And why would you need photo realistic art today when you have phtography and film making?
You are an idiot, please go back go /pol/ or to watching prager university video.
>>1361911
Greek aristocracy was nordic though :^)
>>1361905
If the pinnacle of art was realism then photography would have made it pointless.
>>1361924
>What snowniggers actually believe
>>1361930
That's because the pinnacle of art is not visual at all but music.
The pinnacle was however reached around 250 years ago by an austrian by the name of Johannes Chrysostomus Wolfgangus Theophilus Mozart.
>>1361905
>>1361919
Also you have to understand that it is much easier today to make photo realistic paintings and paintings in general. Back then it was a huge lengthy process that requires timing and more than one person.
Someone had to prep the colors for example, which was a whole process.
This meant that it was hard to make such paintings and thus they were relativly rare and unique.
Today its much much eaiserto make them and there is an abundance of them both contemporary and those we have from past periods.
Remmeber we have a hyper realistic movement which is contemporary...
>>1361890
>if I be quirky the facts won't make me feel bad
>>1361905
>you're muh ethnic art
I had no idea modernist styles invented by white Europeans in the early 20th century was "ethnic art."
or were (((they))) behind it all?
>>1361944
A lot of 19th century and later art was blatantly inspired by sinoid, islamic and prehistoric art though.
>6 countries, most of whom were on the same continent, who were in continual contact with each other and whose nobility and intellectuals travelled between
>one island nation half a world away who shut out all of its neighbors
You're more correctly comparing two traditions than 7 of them.
>>1361884
This is exactly right.
Pic related is considered a masterwork of modern art in Brazil. "Oh but it was never her intention to do photo realistic art". Yet I have seen paintings by her that try to imitate the classic models, and she sucks balls. She wouldn't even be considered mediocre, but sub par and child level, and yet, thanks to modernism, she can hide her lack o talent behind muh expressivity.
She does make justice to the ugliness of the average mixed-race Brazilian though.
friendly reminder that anime is the pinnacle of visual arts
>>1361963
For you.
>>1361944
>blaming jews
Fuck off back to /pol/
>>1361950
>artists should be ranked by their ability to create neo-classical works
>muh
You have to go back
>>1361973
>Defending Jews
Both sides are retarded, considering how insignificant Jews are in the big picture.
>>1361974
That post-modern shit you just posted is awful though. I guarantee the sjw who made that could never match something made in the renaissance.
>>1361974
One thing is to master the classic technique and renounce it. Dali could paint as well as any romantinc painter, and I've personally seen drawings by Picasso that were incredible.
Quite another is to be utterly incompetent and hide your mediocrity behind stylism.
>>1361983
The point of art is not to make tolkien fan fiction.
It is to challnage you but for art to be able to fullfill its mission the watcher must submit himself to it. He must not resist it and let it flow through him.
You must first accept it. I.e. even if you feel that classical paintins are better, give a modern painting the benefit of the doubt just for a moment, and ask yourself why is it painted this way? What do i feel as I accept the work into my mind?
If you do not engage art this way you cannot consume art and thus no art for you will ever actually be art.
>>1361884
>genetics probably, modern art is so popular largely due to frustration among races that can't replicate classical art
I'll take eastern landscape art for 500 Alex.
>>1362048
>>1362051
Besides people who think photorealism = pinnacle of art should GTFO and go read Buck Danny comics or something.
This is pretty good, though.
>>1362069
>the bible as brought to you by Junji Ito
>>1361939
Video games are the pinnacle of art. Not even joking, what better art than art you interact with, which also combines visuals with audio
>>1362084
video games are full of kitsch.
they are childish, like comics.
Sure, you can call them art if you like them, you can call comic book movies art as well but they are childish and do not make you think or really feel anything.
Art should challange you, should have insights about life and truth and knowledge...
Where do you see that in video games? shooting baddies playing call of duty? Or some kitsch crap about "who is really the bad guy? us or them"?
Or perhaps using visual emotional queues to make the player have a shallow spurge of emotions?
Its pathetic.
>>1362084
Lol I also unironically think this. Don't bully, you snobs.
>>1362069
I agree. This guy's art is the pinnacle of the entire medium.
>>1362120
Dark Souls raised some interesting thoughts about Eternal Recurrence and Anti-Natalism tbqh
>>1361924
Typical Scandinavian faggotry.
>Hey dude I'm from Italy, we whites gotta stick together aren't we?
NO U FAGIT U NO WHITE ONLY PURE VIKING WARRIOR BLOOD IS WHITE U HALF TURK SHITSKIN
>10 minutes later
STUPID NEGROS U ALL LIVED IN STRAW HUTS WHILE WE TRU WHITES WERE BUSY INVENTING CIVILIZATION IN GREECE AND ROME, ALSO CHECK THESE NICE FRENCH WHITE BUILDINGS LMAO U STUPID MONKEY SHIT
Totally two-faced cunts, you are worse than fucking muslims.
>>1361884
Some of the japanese shinto shit is impressive as fuck actually
>>1362045
>comparing a monk who was more a scribe than an artist to actual artists
>>1362120
> art should challenge you
440. The job of an artist is obviously to make us feel, that of the philosopher to think, and yet subhumans believe it is the other way around. And that is why they are forever drowning in bad art and bad philosophy, since they can't even figure out the purpose of any of these things.
>>1362120
>Art should challange you
Art has existed all over the world for hundreds of thousands of years and nobody has ever thought that "art should challenge you" before the 20th century and even that only in the West.
Quit trying to impose your narrative/ideology on art and just enjoy it.
>>1362270
No the role of the artist is non existent and irrelevant to the art itself.
>>1361870
Are you kidding me? Statuary was anatomically accurate long before paintings were.
See roman era statues.
>>1362304
You misunderstood him.
>>1361942
>>1361839
Photo-realistic art reached its peak in the 19th century romanticism. It declined specifically as a reaction to the wide spread adoption of the camera.
People's attitude became "why should I spend all this money on an artist when you could just take a picture?"
Artists' attitude became "why should I devote myself to a lifetime of anatomy lessons and figure painting when I could just buy a camera?"
Fine artists' attitude became "what can I do with a canvass that I couldn't do with a camera?" Hence the rise of the impressionism and post-impressionism and the rise of art built around pure artistic style
>cherrypicking
>>1362307
yeh u rite tho
>>1362038
Or, you know, it could just be drawn well.
>>1362023
This.
>>1362293
The role of the artist is to make art you fucking retard
![Terracotta-Warriors[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/HExas1G.png "Terracotta-Warriors[1].png")
>>1361884
>Buddhas and such
I'd say this qualifies as photo realistic.
>>1361983
Those statuettes aren't postmodern. It's some of the most ancient art, nostalgist shitheel, and the basis upon which later art innovated..
>>1361839
>woodblock paintings are the only art Japanese produced
kys senpai
This wasn't funny years ago and it's not funny now. Not to mention ukiyo-e is fucking baller and has style, amateurs with terrible skill cannot produce good examples of it.
>>1361884
>buddhas and such hardly match this
At least put in some effort.
>>1362290
Ask yourself why that is so.
Perhaps because it was politicised? Like propoganda using photography painting and cinema?
It started influencing the world, it became political.
Why? because social nad political change has accelerated and media became availabel to the masses and thus what t shows and how it shows it effects social consiosuness.
Showing superman flying around kickcing ass, when viewed by hundreds of millions effects society, or perhaps dulls it. makes it childish, entranches the ideas that media and art should be entertaining from one's depressing life.
well, if art has so much pwoer now, why shouldnt it be revolutinary, helping us improve our lives instead of helping the status quo?
>>1362440
Instad of being "entertainment after a hard day of work", maybe it should be challanging this very devision and trying to make the day of work not so lifeless and depressing?
Art has the power to either make society worse or make it better.
By thinkign art should be entertainment we fail to understand that art has the power to bring new modes of thinking to bare. to present example of society working in a different way. To create and present a better yet possible reality.
>>1361983
Holy shit, so much ignorant idiocy concentrated in one post...
>>1362502
Great argument. thanks for contributing.
>>1362502
>>1362528
Of course we have to think about the interpretive power of individuals. One has to have the mental tools to even think that art has the power to make change and that any art does cause chage and we have to take control of it.
the idea of limiting or controlling art goes back to the ancient greeks.
>>1362502
>implying those are adorno's ideas and not bejamin's
but realism is so boring. Check out the boner on this Moche ceramic sculpture.
>>1362633
just gonna flood this thread with obscene Moche pottery.
>>1362637
>>1362633
>>1362638
>>1362643
>>1362084
lol it's art but very low on the totem.
>>1362648
>>1362655
>>1362638
Those are 2 guys wtf
I'm interested in the art culture of non-European nations during the Renaissance and other other major eras for art in Europe. Did they train them from a young age? Did they spend months at a time on a single piece? Was it treated as a major profession or just a hobby? Does anyone have sorces to expand knowledge on this?
>>1362637
>I've made a mistake.jpg
>>1362661
this is a representation of the chief god of the Moche, The Decapitator Ai Apaec. He drinks your blood, cuts off your head and fucks you.
>>1362668
The concept of "Art" as we understand it, is invented in the Renaissance. By art we mean the creations of a singular artistic genius, generally working for himself or in the employ of a patron. The renisance saw Art distancing itself from the church and religion, though the major churches of europe often patronized artists.
In most other non-european cultures, artistic endeavors were subjugated to religion or government, there were no "free" artists trying to hustle work.
also, meant to post this image with >>1362675
this picture, in this post, is Ai Apaec the decapitator
>>1362675
another image of Ai Apaec the Decapitator.
>>1362691
more of Ai Apaec the Decapitator
>>1362694
here are some line drawings based on representations of the Decapitator.
From Wikipedia:
At least 500 Moche ceramics have sexual themes. The most frequently depicted act is anal sex, with scenes of vaginal penetration being very rare. Most pairs are heterosexual, with carefully carved genitalia to show that the anus, rather than the vagina, is being penetrated. Often, an infant is depicted breastfeeding while the couple has sex. Fellatio is sometimes represented, but cunnilingus is absent. Some depict male skeletons masturbating, or being masturbated by living women.[8]
External video
Moche earrings.jpg
Pair of Earflares, Winged Messengers (Moche Culture, Peru), Smarthistory[9]
Moche Portrait Head Bottle, Smarthistory[10]
Because irrigation was the source of wealth and foundation of the empire, the Moche culture emphasized the importance of circulation and flow. Expanding upon this, Moche artwork frequently depicted the passage of fluids, particularly life fluids through vulnerable human orifices. There are countless images of defeated warriors losing life fluids through their nose, or helpless victims getting their eyes torn out by birds or captors. Images of captive sex-slaves with gaping orifices and leaking fluids portray extreme exposure, humiliation, and a loss of power.
>>1362706
forgot the picture.
>>1362706
>Some depict male skeletons masturbating, or being masturbated by living women.[8]
How do you do that without flesh?
>>1362706
This is from a ceramic pot. You can see on the bottom row that two guys are getting their heads cut off or necks stabbed or something.
>>1362717
Not sure I have an example of that, but I've seen numerous skeletons with dicks in moche art. Check this guy out.
>>1362718
>>1362726
But seriously, fuck realism. This image is from an aztec codex, made by aztecs. It's created with european paper and pigments that the aztecs acquired, and likely the style influenced by catholic manuscripts the aztecs had seen.
>>1362749
another aztec codex. dunno wtf is going on here. Probably people killing each other or something.
>>1361905
>the pinnacle of art is realism
Photorealism is less challenging to do than lots of other sorts of stylization that requires half a brain rather than just autistic patience. You'll notice plenty of people can get very competent at being a human photocopier pretty quick, but they can't create jack shit without a reference.
Of course, no quality 19th century paintings are photorealistic.
more cool art, that isn't realist. This is a chinese painting depicting the "Burning of Books and Burying of Scholars" an event in which the chinese emperor burned a bunch of books and killed a ton of confucian philosophers.
>>1362760
another cool book burning painting by Pedro Berruguete. St Dominic's books are being burned, but then miraculously his book leaps out of the fire.
>>1362752
>upper right corner
They appeared to catch deer men in a rain of pokeballs after weakening them with spears
>>1362752
top right corner obviously is a pokemon battle
>>1362752
noice
>>1362767
But did anyone catch it?
>>1362752
Its the story of creation
im not sure which part though
look at this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyYm0BsdgYA
>>1362800
omfg, only five minutes into this, but the animation is fucking awesome.
Again, fuck realism. Check out this masterful animation.
>>1362774
those balls are eyes and represent the night
>>1362030
WUZ
>>1361905
That is the pinnacle of technique not art as expression or representation.
>>1362317
this, sadly
>>1362084
How about theater? Or the opera? That's a mix of visual and audio. And for interaction, look for Brechtian theater, where the characters talk directly to the audience.
>>1362317
EXCEPT PHOTOREALISM WASNT INVENTED UNTIL THE 20th CENTURY.
Fuck, all these morons who don't know art history. Here is some actual Photorealism. Chuck Close
>>1361884
>photorealism is a vitamin d-only club
>>1361884
>buddhas and such hardly match this
>>1362930
I feel the need to emphasize this.
Seriously, this chuck close drawing is the ONLY work of photorealism in this entire thread. Go back to Art History 101.
>>1362082
I would buy the shit out of that
>Bible ends in Giant planet-eating God ready to save jebus
>>1362949
from wikipedia:
As a full-fledged art movement, Photorealism evolved from Pop Art and as a counter to Abstract Expressionism as well as Minimalist art movements in the late 1960s and early 1970s in the United States.
pic related. Glenray Tutor.
You guys realize that arguing about the "pinacle of art", either in it's emphasis on realism or it's multimedia Gesamtkunstwerk qualities is totally stupid right? That actual art critics and historians don't give a shit about what is "best" or the "most advanced"
>>1362069
That piece is so perfectly Christian it shits the Pope.
>>1362966
>You guys realize that arguing about the "pinacle of art", either in it's emphasis on realism or it's multimedia Gesamtkunstwerk qualities is totally stupid right? That actual art critics and historians don't give a shit about what is "best" or the "most advanced"
fucking this.
So many pleb opinions in this shit thread.
>>1362208
I'm Scandinavian and I would never deny your whiteness, friend.
>>1361983
>whaaaaaa SJW something cuck something degeneracy
Literal tard over here
Pic related is one of the Song Dynasty’s emperor, quite realistic
>>1362341
>Meiji
>1780's
>>1361884
>art styles are genetically detemined
This is literally the last explanation anyone should consider.
>>1362930
And it's about mimicking photography. Seriously, there's nothing more degenerate than photorealism. Imitation of an imitation.
>>1361983
>Any art that isn't highly detailed is SJW post-modern libcuck art even before that existed
Holy shit
>>1361860
fpbp
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photorealism
>>1361905
there is no pinnacle of art. in 19th century europe the increased exposure and interest in non-western art made artists realise their 'pinnacle' was a total farce, triggering the complete breakdown of figurative painting
>>1361939
>muh symmetry
gotta try harder than that. music has been consistently behind the visual arts since its beginning
>>1362084
what a stupid argument. none of what you said is an a priori fundamental aspect of good art
>>1361983
10/10
itt: bait
![699px-Nofretete_Neues_Museum[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/oktzvES.jpg "699px-Nofretete_Neues_Museum[1].jpg")
>>1361839
Egyptians did it 3000 years before
>>1362941
Why do you think these types of buddhas get attributed to the hellenistic era?
>>1364184
Why the fuck not? Those Chinese statues used to be extremely detailed, down do the point of the individual hairs being carved in and them being painted in life like colours.
>>1361839
Photorealism and Realism or modern impressionism have nothing in common
Photorealism is just copying values, basically pixels because it's practically impossible to get the desired "photorealism" without an actual photo
It's sad that this has become the modern "oh wow such an amazing artist" when it's got nothing to do with art
>>1361905
>nordic ancestry
Literally fuck af din spasser.
Daily reminder that this shit was the pinnacle of Nordic art for almost 2000 years.
The pyramids are even older than this shit.
>>1362910
GREEKZ AND SHIIIEETT
>>1363753
socrates pls go
>>1367240
you guys are fucking idiots. Children probably made this art. They werent allowed to go on the ships, werent allowed to raid, and like all kids, liked to color on everything they see.
IT was probably kids drawing the last scene they ever saw of their dad or brother who never came back from a raid. Or kids drawing the coolest thing they ever saw, bunch of badass dude with beards and tattoos, carrying axes and swords flying around the ocean on ships.
Kid would have loved this and their mom be like "go play sigurd, go color"
>>1361839
Europeans confirmed for best people.
10th century China had some pretty realistic paintings, although they usually weren't colored.
>>1367535
Reminder that this is considered a masterpiece of 11th century European art.
>>1367535
Lol, your delusion is incredible
>>1362120
>like comics
People can create amazing comics without having to sell their souls to companies.
>>1363753
>Imitation of an imitation
So a picture of photorealistic art is anti-degenerate because three lefts make a right?
In painting, naturalism, highly developed illusionism and linear perspective only developed in the West during the 14th and 15th centuries. Naturalistic painting with some illusionism but only limited oblique perspective was developed by the Greeks and the Chinese, and to some extent by the ancient and medieval Indians in fresco painting (very little of the latter survives though).
In sculpture, naturalism comes much more naturally and is fairly common even in very young civilizations like Egypt, Mesopotamia, Mesoamerica, the Moche, the Yoruba, etc. The highest degree of naturalism was attained by the Greeks and passed to the Romans, later to be revived by Renaissance Europeans. It also developed to a high degree in East Asia, though never to the same extent as in the Classical or Western worlds. Sculpture in East Asia just wasn't used to the same extend as it was in the West and wasn't considered an art-form on par with painting or calligraphy. Indian/Southeast Asian sculpture could sometimes be naturalistic but the focus tended to be on detail, intricacy and other-worldliness rather than realistic anatomy.
The reason naturalism developed to such a high degree in Europe is basically because of the Greeks. They valued naturalism more than any other culture, and passed those values on to the Romans. In most cultures art was meant to be beautiful, impressive, expressive or something else depending on the culture, and any naturalism was usually just a means to achieve those goals. The Greeks on the other hand saw the realistic capturing of the human form as the goal itself. Naturalistic painting and sculpture in Europe throughout history was mostly due to the survival and revival of these values, though that's not to say later Westerners didn't innovate or re-invent certain aspects of that naturalism.
>>1367699
its sewn on by peasant women, pretty good for that
>>1369827
Those values declined during the later Roman Empire and where the empire collapsed they virtually disappeared, only surviving in a lesser form in Byzantium. The limited use of painting and sculpture in the Islamic world (especially after the Umayyad period) meant it wasn't reintroduced there. The West, which was often influenced by Byzantine culture in various forms, eventually adopted and reinvigorated these values.
Byzantine naturalism in painting had influenced the West intermittently during the medieval period but generally Western painting had stuck to relatively flat and sometimes abstract styles like Insular, Ottonian, Romanesque, early Gothic, etc. Only in Italy did Byzantine-style painting become dominant and develop to a high degree until during the 14th century, with the likes of Giotto, it surpassed Byzantine styles and began to incorporate illusionism and finally linear perspective. Illusionism and naturalism spread across the West in the 14th century and dominated its painting from the 15th century onward, far surpassing what the Greeks and Romans had achieved. Meanwhile, the 13th century saw naturalistic sculpture emerge in Gothic art, achieving the highest degree of naturalism in Italy where Roman forms were revived, ultimately leading to Renaissance sculpture.
From the 16th century onward Western art influenced cultures all over the world, but much like Byzantine naturalism in medieval Western art, Western naturalism in early modern non-Western art only influenced existing styles rather than taking over completely. Thus you get naturalistic portraiture in Ottoman and Mughal miniatures, Renaissance inspired scenes in Ethiopian icons, linear perspective in Japanese prints, etc. Only in Russia did it actually take over, due to that county's Westernisation in the 18th century; elsewhere it only became common in the 19th and 20th centuries.
>>1361905
Yeah, man. Can't wait until the new Crysis comes out.
ITT: salty MUDs and their inferior art
>>1369834
To simplify;
>Greek and Roman painting
Naturalistic figures in semi-naturalistic environments (some depth and illusionism, but not linear perspective)
>Late-Roman/Byzantine/Italo-Byzantine painting
Semi-naturalistic figures in abstract environments
>Western painting (pre-14th century)
Abstract or semi-naturalistic figures in abstract environments
>Western painting (14th century)
Naturalistic figures in semi-naturalistic environments
>Western painting (15th century onward)
Naturalistic figures in naturalistic environments (linear perspective)
Of course there was variation in all of those, this is just listing the dominant trends.
>>1369873
This is a huge oversimplification
>>1370174
I know. There's plenty of variation in all of the periods I listed, especially the Western pre-14th and 14th century stuff. I was just trying to outline the general development of naturalism and perspective in very broad, somewhat vague terms.
>>1370174
What a very Reddit thing to say
>>1361839
>everyone in this fucking thread equating realism with photo-realism
go read a book you dumb niggers
>>1370888
it's classicism or naturalism not realism
>>1370888
You mean naturalism. Naturalism means 'real-looking' imagery in general, while realism means depictions of day-today life in ordinary settings. In OP's image, the top four paintings are naturalistic, not realist. The two below are both naturalistic and realist.
And like you said, photorealism is this kind of stuff; >>1362930
Oil paint as we know it was only invented in the late 15th century. It's hard to make anything realistic with the earlier paints.
>>1370968
>late 15th century
early
And there were plenty of realistic paintings before then, oil paint just gave it a massive boost.
many cultures appear to have some semi-realistic art on par with early (pre-classical) greek artworks, mostly statues. the chinese terracota soldiers are a good example of that. those are realistic, but not very interesting looking, because they didn't have the technique and technology yet.
I think most people, after creating such works, just went 'meh, this looks boring' and went on to create more stylized art. only the greeks decided to go into that direction and continue to experiment with naturalism, which eventually led to European art.
Imagine you had to design characters for a video game, but you are only given a very limited graphic engine. It would make sense to go to a more abstract, cartoonish direction, with unrealistic proportions, because it's easier to convey character that way if you can't create complex facial expressions, movement etc. this happened to most cultures' art style. even though they later got better tools, they already perfected more abstract styles, so realism wasn't realy thought of anymore.
also, Greek natural philosophy probably also made them want to portray the world as accurately as possible.
>>1361983
That's neolithic Greek you dumb shit
>>1371099
>those are realistic, but not very interesting looking, because they didn't have the technique and technology yet.
If they're boring it's because they were mass produced and intended to be buried as tomb guardians rather than artworks meant to be appreciated.
While you're right that Greeks appreciate naturalism more than other cultures, it had nothing to do with technology and only a little to do with technique. It had more to do with their artistic values in general (seen also in their painting) and the high esteem placed on sculpture as an art in their society.
>>1371099
Greek sculpture was made for the people of the polis. The people judged which statue was to be put inside the temple. Realistic forms and images are easy to comprehend and to find beauty in by a large group of people.
I found some western art today that really reminds me of Japanese art. Really beautiful.
>>1369830
>its sewn on by peasant women
So were all those gorgeous Oriental carpets and medieval tapestries.
In fact it's pretty simple, virtually all textile art before the 20th century was done by peasant women.
>>1362675
Moche seem like cool people to stay around
>>1361950
>photo realistic art
there's more that that, and the fact that "photo realistic art" ceased to be a trend is because it exahusted its possibilities, and obviously because of photography. Good things came after classicism, for example impressionism, futurism, art deco, etc.
But yeah, I know what you are trying to say, modern art sucks, and I agree.
>>1361919
>why do you need photo realistic art when you can just look at reality?
cause sometimes you can't travel back in time or across the planet to see something dumbass.
>>1367535
>Children probably made this art.
You're the fucking idiot. All evidence points to this as important to the people who made it.
>>1361983
*giggle*
>>1361924
Is this a new meme?
>>1364494
wait, so they really were kings and shit? i thought it was just a meme
>>1361924
This is how real Greek men look like
>>1370859
>nuance and specifics are considered reddit
Colour me suprised
>bourgeois middle class defending Renaissance art
>implying you have any clue how art was appreciated during the Renaissance
>implying art had the same reverence as it did today
>implying a team of 10 men didnt work on every piece and churn them out for wealthy patrons who told them exactly what they wanted to paint
>>1372573
You still won't see it if you pretend you paint it realistically. Fucking delusional.
>>1362038
>Why was it
Because the person has zero skill.
>But
This "art" comes from elite faggots and insane idiots trying to make art despite the lack of skilll, then wanking each other off to feel better.
>But mah
The decline of classical drawing in art schools can be directly related to unskilled pampered fucks trying to "follow their dreams".
>REEEE you don't understand art
Do you? If art is subjective, denying my standard wouldn't be... hypocrisy?
